Hosted Group Breaks with product from The Most Trusted Dealer

3BoyzTrading

Alright, I understand that some are against someone else opening up boxes/packs for them. However, with inclusion of a retail store at the new BBCE site, I'm going to assume that they are going the route of selling newly released sports cards. They may or may not do their own box break hosting. However, I'd like to know who would be interested in taking part in a hosted group break with product from The most trusted Dealer. There are different ways to do it. Some examples are below

Player Draft (Usually for smaller prospect/rookie type sets(i.e Bowman Draft,Topps Chrome, etc.)
Hit Draft (Usually for expensive cases (i.e. Exquisite,National Treasures, etc.) (Product is broken, then the hits are selected after participant list is randomized)
Team Random (Ex:30 teams, 30 participants, randomed)
Team Draft (Ex:30 participants, randomed and then drafted prior to break)

The price structure is rather simple, if it's teams (Say 30) and the case price is $900, it's $30 a team plus (Shipping/Supplies and Paypal fees), so roughly $35 per slot.

There is some great 2000's product available from BBCE, so breaking multiple boxes from different years is also a great opportunity to attain hits or cards from your favorite team.
Who would be interested in a 1998,1999,2000, 2001, 2002,2004,2005,2006,2007,2008,2009,2010,2011,2012 Playoff Contenders team break for roughly $75 per team?

Well, I'm just throwing this out there to see who would be interested. I've been taking part in modern group breaks the last 3 months and have built my collection immensely. One of my best was a 50 case 2013 Bowman break and ended up with about 100 Yasiel Puig Rookie cards. There are many more examples.

Oh, and I've been collecting since the mid 80's so the young buck argument doesn't apply here. I've also broken packs from the 50's, 60's and boxes from the 70's, so I'm not just a modern "prospector". I've also taken part in CU Group Rips for the past 6 years. Now that's out of the way.

Please feel free to comment any pros and cons that are constructive to the idea, whether you feel it's good idea or not and please not just a "grumpy cat" response.

NickM

As soon as the word random is in it, I'm out.
I participate in group breaks when I see value opportunities (either the break host or the market is undervaluing some player or team). Randoms don't yield that.
I don't think I'm alone in this approach among board members.

For new/recent product, whar would BBCE be able to offer that people couldn't get just as well from breaks hosted on Blowoutcards?

One other important issue for older product: expired redemptions are a killer.

Nick

stown

<< <i>I've also taken part in CU Group Rips for the past 6 years. >>



Honest question - Your alias joined 4/13, so how were you involved with CU rips over the past 6 years?

3BoyzTrading

<< <i>As soon as the word random is in it, I'm out.
I participate in group breaks when I see value opportunities (either the break host or the market is undervaluing some player or team). Randoms don't yield that.
I don't think I'm alone in this approach among board members. >>


First, for randoms, a live stream video on any site using random.org WITH 2 members watching OR maybe a team member from The most trusted Dealer can do it(same way) (Yes, similar to BO group breaks) for full transparency.
It does sound like you are used to paying for teams, I'm against that only because it goes away from being a The most trusted Dealer group break to an "individual" who prices their own teams strictly for profit and just happens to buy it from The most trusted Dealer. There are many alternative sites available that do it that way.


<< <i>For new/recent product, whar would The most trusted Dealer be able to offer that people couldn't get just as well from breaks hosted on Blowoutcards? >>


Simply, a different source for new modern and as my example shows, a well stocked source for older material. Monthly "buffet" group break anyone?


<< <i>One other important issue for older product: expired redemptions are a killer. Nick >>


Redemptions, I've always wondered what they do with those cards that aren't redeemed. Is the Topps Vault going to have them for sale 20 years from now? Who knows. Yes they suck but that's the risk we take. I believe dealers discount certain products due to redemptions. Nonetheless, it's the nature of the beast. In my Contenders example, there are only a handful over the 14 year period.There also aren't any in the 90's, that I can think of

3BoyzTrading

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<< <i>I've also taken part in CU Group Rips for the past 6 years. >>



Honest question - Your alias joined 4/13, so how were you involved with CU rips over the past 6 years? >>



I left my computer that I use at home(that stays logged-in) and couldn't recall the email address I used on that account to get the password reset. So I opened a new one. Yes, many people here believed I'm some intential alias of "fill in the blank". So now that's out of the way, what are your thoughts on group breaks or are you looking for a conspiracy angle to take here?

DoctorK

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<< <i>As soon as the word random is in it, I'm out.
I participate in group breaks when I see value opportunities (either the break host or the market is undervaluing some player or team). Randoms don't yield that.
I don't think I'm alone in this approach among board members. >>


First, for randoms, a live stream video on any site using random.org WITH 2 members watching OR maybe a team member from BBCE can do it(same way) (Yes, similar to BO group breaks) for full transparency.
It does sound like you are used to paying for teams, I'm against that only because it goes away from being a BBCE group break to an "individual" who prices their own teams strictly for profit and just happens to buy it from BBCE. There are many alternative sites available that do it that way.


<< <i>For new/recent product, whar would BBCE be able to offer that people couldn't get just as well from breaks hosted on Blowoutcards? >>


Simply, a different source for new modern and as my example shows, a well stocked source for older material. Monthly "buffet" group break anyone?


<< <i>One other important issue for older product: expired redemptions are a killer. Nick >>


Redemptions, I've always wondered what they do with those cards that aren't redeemed. Is the Topps Vault going to have them for sale 20 years from now? Who knows. Yes they suck but that's the risk we take. I believe dealers discount certain products due to redemptions. Nonetheless, it's the nature of the beast. In my Contenders example, there are only a handful over the 14 year period.There also aren't any in the 90's, that I can think of >>



I am not sure I follow. Is this something you hope BBCE will undertake or have you discussed the matter with them?

stown

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<< <i>I've also taken part in CU Group Rips for the past 6 years. >>



Honest question - Your alias joined 4/13, so how were you involved with CU rips over the past 6 years? >>



I left my computer that I use at home(that stays logged-in) and couldn't recall the email address I used on that account to get the password reset. So I opened a new one. Yes, many people here believed I'm some intential alias of "fill in the blank". So now that's out of the way, what are your thoughts on group breaks or are you looking for a conspiracy angle to take here? >>



There's no conspiracy here. You're timeline didn't add up and I appreciate the semi-clarification. You're not the first to forget their login and create a new account, though they typically disclose the previous alias. If you don't want to, so be it, but there are better ways to establish trust IMO.

CNote

I have money to burn for BBG, I mean 3BzT.

Will $600 get me involved in this can't miss opportunity?

3BoyzTrading

<< <i>I am not sure I follow. Is this something you hope The most trusted Dealer will undertake or have you discussed the matter with them? >>


I haven't discussed it with them at all. It's simply an idea that came about when I read they were opening a retail space which tells me they are likely going to start selling new releases. Also,I keep seeing boxes and cases of older material that would be prime for this type of rip. 2005/06 Exquisite basketball, the aformentioned Contenders run, etc. The bottom line is they have more in stock, in PRE-2006 material than any of the current online retailers.


<< <i>I have money to burn for BBG, I mean 3BzT.
Will $600 get me involved in this can't miss opportunity? >>


lol, for real bro? I knew someone was going to pull the "grumpy cat" attitude. Did you tie a rope to the ceiling, around an exercise ball, sit on it naked and sing "Wrecking Ball"? It makes me wonder how in touch with reality you are with the hobby pulse. To ignore the fact that it's a great opportunity for BBCE and "Group Breaks" for modern releases is foolish. This thread is an effort to gather ideas relating to that. Nowhere did I state I would host them in this thread. Is it possible I would down the line, sure. However, I simply don't have the time and it's surely not easy. If I tried to do one now, there is an increased possibility the cases would take 2-3 weeks to get to me, they'd get a dusty as heck and potentially burn in a IDF attack. Nevermind the 3 weeks it would take for participants packages to be mailed back. So Cnote, get off the blue glove conspiracies,shove them where the sun don't shine and quit trolling.

coachnip13

Good effort, bro, but I don't think it went over too well here. And now you really sealed it by going off on someone.

3BoyzTrading

Excuse me if I take offense when people accuse me of being someone I'm not,consistently....... Do you enjoy people calling you by a different name? As far as making an effort....to gather opinions on a potential group breaks? The future is now man. I've spent thousands in the last few months on Blowout. I'd like to put my money into one of the most trusted dealers in the hobby. Sure The most trusted Dealer may not consider doing something like this but from a business standpoint, I dont' see how you can avoid it. I'm all about having a thread with constructive opinions and pointed out in the OP to leave trolling out. However, there are members here that prefer to continue drama that is,IMO, killing this forum. Let it go already! I used to visit this every freaking day and now I check it once a week due to that. This is exactly why, we are now off topic from the OP. It's sad.

stown

<< <i>So stown, get off the blue glove conspiracies,shove them where the sun don't shine and quit trolling. >>



What in the heck are you talking about? Here's my interaction with you in this thread:



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<< <i>I've also taken part in CU Group Rips for the past 6 years. >>



Honest question - Your alias joined 4/13, so how were you involved with CU rips over the past 6 years? >>



I left my computer that I use at home(that stays logged-in) and couldn't recall the email address I used on that account to get the password reset. So I opened a new one. Yes, many people here believed I'm some intential alias of "fill in the blank". So now that's out of the way, what are your thoughts on group breaks or are you looking for a conspiracy angle to take here? >>



There's no conspiracy here. You're timeline didn't add up and I appreciate the semi-clarification. You're not the first to forget their login and create a new account, though they typically disclose the previous alias. If you don't want to, so be it, but there are better ways to establish trust IMO. >>



Where did I say anything about blue gloves and how is asking about your timeline trolling? I could understand the hostility if you messed up and just projecting it onto me but otherwise, you are *way* out of line.

LarkinCollector

<< <i>Where did I say anything about blue gloves and how is asking about your timeline trolling? I could understand the hostility if you messed up and just projecting it onto me but otherwise, you are *way* out of line. >>


Based on what he quoted, I think it was a typo and directed at CNote.

3BoyzTrading

Sorry stown, misdirected hostility, it was meant for Cnote and has since been corrected.

Charlie9

Well...off to a rocky start! I had led a regular group break for 6 years up until earlier this year when I gave it up to focus on collecting rather than breaking. We were breaking well over $10K each month, developed my own website, had sponsorships with many of the big wholesalers, even were featured in a New York Times article on group breaks...it was a big time commitment for something that wasn't run as a business as I never priced anything for profit. That's why people stayed with the group for so long. The group break phenomenon has only picked up steam in the past 3-4 years so the idea will definitely fly...but you have to know your audience and the CU boards just do not support group breaks (group buys, sure... but not having other people open their cards for them).

Trust me I've tried. I actually was able to get a Vintage Pack Busters group (in which I only purchased from BBCE) off the ground for a few months and was able to recruit a couple folks from these boards to participate but the bulk of business will be had over at Blowout, Trading Card Central, Trading Card Zone, or any other of the numerous collecting forum sites that allow group breaks. There's tons of formats and you'll find takers for any of them if you can establish your reputation but personally I have never been a fan of the random slots as I collect one or two teams and if I can't get them I won't join. The multi-year format will help you recruit takers for more teams as it gives everyone a chance to hit something from when their team had the hot rookie.

I wish you luck as it's a blast to be able to break some of the older stuff and you're right in that there are some deals out there if you can get past the expired redemptions. I'm just letting you know (as you've already seen) the CU boards can be a rough spot to try anything new but rather than give up I encourage you to try out one of the other sites that already embraces group breaks.

3BoyzTrading

I've actually been here for a few years and entirely understand the resistance to group breaking. With the reduction in CU group rips....only 2 this year.... I just see a group break as another option here on the forums. I will give it six months and I think something like this or similar will happen here on this forum due to the pre-existing relationship with PSA and The most trusted Dealer. I think with The most trusted Dealer, there is just too much money being made to not make an attempt at something like it. Sure there are many members either not interested, which is ok, or simply don't like people opening their stuff. However, I would imagin there would be a few members interested and can honestly say, it would bring people to this site. Fresh members and opinions are important especially since the biggest topic the last 10 months has been the pathetic "guess what alt is BBG". Once again, the The most trusted Dealer has an inventory second to none. An interesting question, who on these forums purchased 10,25 or 100 count lots of rookie cards or stars as an investment in the late eighties and early nineties? I compare it to those days except you aren't paying a middle man. Lastly, Charlie9, your exactly the type of member that this topic is directed to as your group break host experience is likely unmatched.

Wondo

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<< <i>I've also taken part in CU Group Rips for the past 6 years. >>



Honest question - Your alias joined 4/13, so how were you involved with CU rips over the past 6 years? >>



I left my computer that I use at home(that stays logged-in) and couldn't recall the email address I used on that account to get the password reset. So I opened a new one. Yes, many people here believed I'm some intential alias of "fill in the blank". So now that's out of the way, what are your thoughts on group breaks or are you looking for a conspiracy angle to take here? >>




Not a bad idea, but I would like to know with whom I am dealing. What was your previous handle, please? Please feel free to PM contact information to me if you prefer to keep it discreet. Thanks.

mknez

I've bought into group breaks before, but only when I can get my team. I have no interest in random teams, and wouldn't participate in that format. For something like this to work on this forum, I believe there would have to be minimal handling and full transparency. I don't think a format where the product was shipped to a member from BBCE, and the member did the break and shipped out to the participants would work. If the break was done at BBCE, then shipped, it might have a chance. The person organizing would have to be an established, trusted member.

It seems to me that was Stown's concern, as you stated you have been a member for a while, but wouldn't identify your past screen name. You're probably completely above board, but that does cast a doubt, as many former members aren't here for a variety of reasons, some because they took advantage of board members.

MK

gemint

People need to remember the experience we had before BBCE managed the breaks. Some newcomers may not have been around when 80sjunkie was handling group breaks and we found out he was searching the packs and resealing them before shipping them out. We were very close to having a 75 mini case break go through him. He got busted just as the case was ready to be shipped out. I don't recall how much cred Gary had built up by that time but he was a CU member for some time. I personally won't participate in any breaks that aren't managed by BBCE but others may decide to give it a try. I guess it depends on the value of the product being broken in terms of how many are willing to give it a go.

CNote

I'm sorry this happened to you.

swartz1

Is this thread about sending cards to someones boys?

3BoyzTrading

<< <i>the break was done at BBCE, then shipped, it might have a chance. The person organizing would have to be an established, trusted member. >>



This is what I'm looking for in opinions.I am in total agreement here. That's not my intent at all. There is a seller on Youtube, Chris of Infinity Cards. He has about an 800sqft store front but does thousands of videos a year, in personal box rips or group rips, all online. I would think that 98% of his business is done online. Great customer service too. As far as hosting goes, entirely understood. The focus seems to be on me hosting a group break. I really dont have the time with my current employment. Personally, I would hope BBCE would consider hosting them on a live stream site. Maybe they could start with doing one once a week? Also, as far as potential hosts are concerned, maybe the "Master Collector" and "Expert Collector" titles can apply to whom can host?

csmtampa

This board is to old school for group breaks to work

Buy a few cases of older product and hop on breakers.tv

Build a rep there and people will join religiously...seriously

miklia

<< <i>The person organizing would have to be an established, trusted member. >>



Or alternatively prove to be a Real Patriot by cramming as much USA flare in a gif as possible.

3BoyzTrading

<< <i>This board is to old school for group breaks to work
Buy a few cases of older product and hop on breakers.tv
Build a rep there and people will join religiously...seriously >>


Once again, this isn't about me hosting. Seemingly, there are too many conspiracy theorists here to have anyone other than BBCE host any type of group break. I'm good with that and believe it's a great idea.


<< <i>Or alternatively prove to be a Real Patriot by cramming as much USA flare in a gif as possible. >>


lol "Real Patriot" huh? I think my icon is rather sweet.Yes, I'm at the POA when the National Anthem is performed. If you don't now what I'm talking about then...Shhhhhhh.........with that "Real Patriot" stuff. I'd put a picture of Jesus and used Saint as a prefix if I wanted to create a false sense of trust. Of course, another member that failed to read the OP and provide something constructive for this thread.


<< <i>Is this thread about sending cards to someones boys? >>


Huh?

mattinglymint23

I like Chris at infinity. Good guy.

stown

<< <i>As far as hosting goes, entirely understood. The focus seems to be on me hosting a group break. I really dont have the time with my current employment. >>



I assumed you were trying to host a break due to the resume you put in the OP. If you were just looking to participate, don't think it was necessary to list your qualifications. Hence the reason I asked you to clarify the six years of group rips despite having a nine month old alias.



<< <i>Oh, and I've been collecting since the mid 80's so the young buck argument doesn't apply here. I've also broken packs from the 50's, 60's and boxes from the 70's, so I'm not just a modern "prospector". I've also taken part in CU Group Rips for the past 6 years. Now that's out of the way. >>



PS - Apology accepted, thanks for clearing that up.

3BoyzTrading

<< <i>I like Chris at infinity. Good guy. >>



Yes, he's awesome. I am surprised he can keep up with demand. It seems like he uploads multiple videos every hour. He is also one of the first to break new releases online.

Stone193

<< <i>I've also taken part in CU Group Rips for the past 6 years. Now that's out of the way. >>

Hi 3BT

I have no axe to grind and rarely get in the middle of controversy.

But, to start, when I read the OP, I did wonder about the "joined" date and the statement above.

Plus, the statement "now that's out of the way." IMO, has a connotation of "attitude" - sort of a "chip on your shoulder" type thing.

I would've appreciated knowing who you were from the beginning. And I say this with respect for your intention and query.

Unfortunately, I think you set off all kinds of "radar detectors" with this thread.

Your ID would be appreciated and then it would be much easier to get back to the OP IMO.

itzagoner

<< <i>Is this thread about sending cards to someones boys? >>



where's the hand-covering-mouth-to-suppress-boisterous-laughter icon?

3BoyzTrading

This is hilarious, aren't any of you disappointed on what these boards have become? If I had anything to hide, why would I state what I did in the OP? Think about that. Unfortunately this is what this forum has come too. Immediate attacks to members with honest intent or questions. You all act like your some "CU gang" that's protecting your territory in some post apocalyptic world. Well guess what, you're creating that world with your childish behavior! It's as of many of you were traumatized by past experiences our conversations with other people. Let it go! If you expect your investment in PSA to increase or still be worth what it is now, this segment(grading) of the hobby needs to grow with new members! There is only so much 50's,60's and 70's cards to grade. What will people be grading in 10,20 or 30 years from now? Yes, today's players. BGS has a rather new registry and own the card/auto grading market. They are slowly taking a piece of the 1990's and 1980's graded card market from PSA.When people start a registry on one side, they are likely not going to the other. Sure, middle aged men like us have the income to drop $50 on a 1988 PSA 10 card. Well guess what, if this forum doesn't evolve,20 years from now, those 20 year olds today, will be dropping the same amount, except on BGS graded cards. These forums aren't going to increase traffic if every other thread there is a member throwing up some conspiracy or accusation, telling inside jokes and making statements that dont make sense to the topic. This forum has a problem,period. Don't tell me there isn't as any new introduction involves a warning about j*ck*ss members and new rules were forced to be posted at the top of it. Hopefully some of you will put your stubborness aside and realize what you contribute to these boards can and will impact the investment you have in PSA graded cards. Negative or positive.

miklia

saying your old ID is inviting a post-apocalyptic world? is it beetlejuice?

bigdcards

I don't understand how you can have an old ID with so much drama and negativity attached that you can't even say the name (at least not 3 times), but you also say the board has recently turned into this dramatic place. I don't remember a CU board without drama at all. Does anyone know the first time popcorn girl came out? It wasn't in the last 6 months. Anyone wanting to completely avoid the drama stopped reading this thread after 5 posts at the most. At the top of the board this second there is a thread on what fun packs are, a cello case for auction, more e-bay and a post with a cool magic johnson card that sarcastically references the fact that we mostly have pictures of packs lately. Not all drama.

I think the fact that is all unopened is driving people away more than the same old popcorn worthy drama. It's a board about a collectible that only a quarter of the people are interested in. I certainly can't stop that since it's my focus, but people could post more cards if they want to.

I also think the group "rips" don't so what they once did for the board with all us unopened collectors taking over. My first rip was in 2007 and it was a FB pack run from '76 - '86 ($100). I felt guilty about sneaking in to keep everything sealed, but now it's the norm. Even the junk on the last rip didn't get opened. Some of us LOVE this, but admittedly, it's not for everyone and has some people checking in less. It's not as exciting for everyone to take a picture of their packs.

cpamike

<< <i>I don't understand how you can have an old ID with so much drama and negativity attached that you can't even say the name (at least not 3 times), but you also say the board has recently turned into this dramatic place. I don't remember a CU board without drama at all. Does anyone know the first time popcorn girl came out? It wasn't in the last 6 months. Anyone wanting to completely avoid the drama stopped reading this thread after 5 posts at the most. At the top of the board this second there is a thread on what fun packs are, a cello case for auction, more e-bay and a post with a cool magic johnson card that sarcastically references the fact that we mostly have pictures of packs lately. Not all drama.

I think the fact that is all unopened is driving people away more than the same old popcorn worthy drama. It's a board about a collectible that only a quarter of the people are interested in. I certainly can't stop that since it's my focus, but people could post more cards if they want to.

I also think the group "rips" don't so what they once did for the board with all us unopened collectors taking over. My first rip was in 2007 and it was a FB pack run from '76 - '86 ($100). I felt guilty about sneaking in to keep everything sealed, but now it's the norm. Even the junk on the last rip didn't get opened. Some of us LOVE this, but admittedly, it's not for everyone and has some people checking in less. It's not as exciting for everyone to take a picture of their packs. >>



Well said Darren.

I also felt like an oddball when I first joined the board about collecting unopened and not opening anything either. I just wasn't shy about saying I wasn't opening anything.

The problem is many people have come on here and screwed people. I believe it is not out of the line for people to ask you what your old CU username was. It is your choice to not say, but at least give the courtesy of saying you would rather not say. Dancing around the subject just makes it worse IMHO.

3BoyzTrading

The question posed in this thread has nothing to do with who I am or what my previous account was. Again, why would I point that fact out in my OP if I had something to hide? How is not revealing my previous Username making it worse? I believe I've already explained why I opened a new account. Nothing further is required. I have no interest in being accepted by the "CU conspiracy crew". All that does is allow members, that can't let sh!t go, to move onto some other thread and post cliche comments until a derailment. If they stay on this thread, at least a point or two may get across to them. As for the point about members hoarding unopened material. The last I checked, any member that is holding onto unopened material is quietly applausing when people open it, especially large quantities.

mccardguy1

<< <i>The question posed in this thread has nothing to do with who I am or what my previous account was. Again, why would I point that fact out in my OP if I had something to hide? How is not revealing my previous Username making it worse? I believe I've already explained why I opened a new account. Nothing further is required. I have no interest in being accepted by the "CU conspiracy crew". All that does is allow members, that can't let sh!t go, to move onto some other thread and post cliche comments until a derailment. If they stay on this thread, at least a point or two may get across to them. As for the point about members hoarding unopened material. The last I checked, any member that is holding onto unopened material is quietly applausing when people open it, especially large quantities. >>



You do know that your credibility here is suspect if you choose to dance around this subject of your former ID right?

I am not a conspiracy guy here but maybe a role more fitted for Captain Obvious. I know you probably dont care what others feel but you will forever be looked on as that guy who refused to fess up to his original handle.

3BoyzTrading

I see no point in revealing my previous username and will not to appease anyone here so they could now "answer the question". Either way, I'm sure someone has already started doing their detective work. Good luck! What I will do is start threads to benefit this hobby because believe it or not, cards were produced in the 90's and 00's.

Wondo

Unopened material is great! Rips are great! Collect and enjoy the hobby as you like. The sirens blare loudly when the OP comes on, touts six years of participation and then refuses to document his claims under a conspiracy guise and proceeds with a vitriolic lecture.

Good luck with your endeavor; I'm out.

dtkk49a

3BoyzTrading

If you read the comments, there is some beneficial opinions. It's the cliche comments that derailed the thread that I'm standing up to. Lastly, why sirens? Does their need to be an overbearing neighborhood watch? It seems there are people acting as arses on this forum and frankly, I dont respond well to the "tell me your name or I'm going to make life difficult" attitude.

cpamike

Just tried to explain why you are getting the response you are getting, but I'll respectfully refrain from posting anymore.

gemint

Good comments. Yes once people were burned it makes you more defensive and inquisitive of motives. We've had people on here who supposedly died, received donations and then miraculously got resurrected. We've had someone we thought was trustworthy who ended up searching and resealing packs as cheap as 1984 Topps before sending them out. So don't be shocked that people are skeptical on here. Anyone who's been on these boards for more than a few years knows where we're coming from.

mccardguy1

<< <i>If you read the comments, there is some beneficial opinions. It's the cliche comments that derailed the thread that I'm standing up to. Lastly, why sirens? Does their need to be an overbearing neighborhood watch? It seems there are people acting as arses on this forum and frankly, I dont respond well to the "tell me your name or I'm going to make life difficult" attitude. >>



I think when you have a population of board members like you have here who have been the target of hustlers, shysters and all sorts of less than honorable people the sirens will wail and wail loudly when someone comes up who is less than truthful with their past. I think there is a right and a need for "an overbearing neighborhood watch" considering some of the garbage that occurred here in the past. I dont think anyone is looking to make life difficult...they are just protecting their arses and not acting as them. If you cannot understand that then, well there isnt much more to say.

UnwoundSage

So the OP is a former member that is back under a new ID but refuses to reveal that ID? Am I reading that right? Can't see any reason to hide from a previous ID unless there was a reason to hide.

gemint

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Is that the guy from Stripes? All I hear is "Way to go Ox!" and "I don't like anybody touching my stuff. So keep your meathooks off!".

gemint

<< <i>So the OP is a former member that is back under a new ID but refuses to reveal that ID? Am I reading that right? Can't see any reason to hide from a previous ID unless there was a reason to hide. >>



Agreed. I have no problems stating that I have an alt called '69topps8'. I created the second ID when I couldn't remember the password of the first. I probably haven't posted under the 69topps8 ID in 11-12 years since I wised up and wrote down my password so I wouldn't forget it. I don't see why anyone with a legitimate alt would be hesitant to disclose it.

bunt

<< <i>So the OP is a former member that is back under a new ID but refuses to reveal that ID? Am I reading that right? Can't see any reason to hide from a previous ID unless there was a reason to hide. >>



gotta say it And what is your previous id ?

3BoyzTrading

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<< <i>If you read the comments, there is some beneficial opinions. It's the cliche comments that derailed the thread that I'm standing up to. Lastly, why sirens? Does their need to be an overbearing neighborhood watch? It seems there are people acting as arses on this forum and frankly, I dont respond well to the "tell me your name or I'm going to make life difficult" attitude. >>



I think when you have a population of board members like you have here who have been the target of hustlers, shysters and all sorts of less than honorable people the sirens will wail and wail loudly when someone comes up who is less than truthful with their past. I think there is a right and a need for "an overbearing neighborhood watch" considering some of the garbage that occurred here in the past. I dont think anyone is looking to make life difficult...they are just protecting their arses and not acting as them. If you cannot understand that then, well there isnt much more to say. >>



I disagree, it doesn't need to be overbearing. What you had in the OP was an idea that involved a noteworthy business(whose name I am removing out of respect for the owner.) The intent of the OP was to gather opinions and questions about the topic. Of course it was immediately derailed by the same accusatory members with cliche comments, snide remarks, conspiracy theories and your picture of the day. Sure, stown was polite enough to pose the question but CNote had to go ahead and be downright offensive about it. Again, I compare this forum to walking into an old smoke filled disorganized card shop where the two smelly old guys with plumbers cracks look at me like I'm distracting them from watching a movie.

Skin2

Why do you wear blue gloves instead of white?

ICE9

I absolutely love it when some new Gary-wannbe shows up, attempts his best used-car salesman's pitch to defraud the board, and the gets indignant when no one falls for it.

ICE9

...with all the grace of a bull in a china shop.