I can't see them wanting to venture into this sort of endeavor from the retail location. Secondly, I think that BO has a pretty functional, reasonable system in place that doesn't need replacing. I go to BBCE for old stuff -- unless they change some stuff (free shipping over $xx for example) it will be difficult to compete with BO and the other large online sellers.
That being said -- regardless of whether or not you have anything to hide, the fact that you choose to hide it on principle makes me think that you aren't the best person to stump for this cause. I think you understand that you are fighting a losing battle on this thread and I'm quite surprised you haven't let this thread die.
A lot of people on the boards can come off as old and crotchety -- just based on some casual demographics -- I'm guessing old AND crotchety are well represented here.
I also know that a lot of those old and/or crotchety people are some of the most amazingly generous people just because they enjoy sharing the hobby with others who enjoy the hobby.
Once again,off topic comments and snide remarks constitute bullying and harrasment.Some members here get a joy out of the junior high school behavior.Nobody is running me off. Nonetheless, you have some great points.
<< <i>I can't see them wanting to venture into this sort of endeavor from the retail location. >>
I can't see them NOT doing it. If they,and I'm guessing they will,get the licenses to buy new releases.There is just too much money to be made hosting their own breaks.
<< <i>Secondly, I think that BO has a pretty functional, reasonable system in place that doesn't need replacing.I go to BBCE for old stuff -- unless they change some stuff (free shipping over $xx for example) it will be difficult to compete with BO and the other large online sellers. >>
It has to do with getting a piece of the pie. BO has sold, in group rips alone,easily 200 cases of Bowman Draft in the last 45 days. Hosting their own breaks,they consistently sell out of crazy 50-100 slot breaks at $150+ each. There was a basketball National Treasures break that sold out 40 slots at $700+ each.At Cardsinfinity, the owner has posted 27 breaks in the last 24 hours and 17 the day before. If he's averaging 20 boxes per day, that's over 600 boxes per month.So it's not replacing, it's not necessarily directly competing, it's getting a piece of that pie that's readily available
<< <i>That being said -- regardless of whether or not you have anything to hide, the fact that you choose to hide it on principle makes me think that you aren't the best person to stump for this cause. I think you understand that you are fighting a losing battle on this thread and I'm quite surprised you haven't let this thread die. >>
Again,I'm not backing down to bullying and harrasment on these boards as that's what this thread has turned into.So please,those members that have nothing better to do then act childish,keep posting.I'm not going anywhere.
<< <i>I absolutely love it when some new Gary-wannbe shows up, attempts his best used-car salesman's pitch to defraud the board, and the gets indignant when no one falls for it. >>
3boyz filled with scathing HOT TAEKS. Never Surrender to those hatters asking for your identity - just keep asking for cash. It'll all work out awesome.
I am man enough to admit when I was wrong about your gif. The flag clearly had enough red in it for us all to see.
<< <i> I can't see them NOT doing it. If they,and I'm guessing they will,get the licenses to buy new releases.There is just too much money to be made hosting their own breaks. >>
That's not necessarily true. It's a niche. Some business owners like selling the unopened product. Others like putting together group breaks. Maybe the guys at BBCE just aren't interested in the process of organizing group breaks. Companies focus on what they do well, and it's not always a good ending to try to venture into something else just because someone else is making money on it.
There's an ice cream shop near my house that makes a fortune. So why doesn't the sandwich shop three doors down start selling ice cream? It's not what they want to get involved in, because it's an entirely different aspect of a business that appears on the outside to be similar.
This is all starting to seem familiar but I can't put my finger on the ID that used to act like this on a regular basis. I'm not accusing anybody of anything but I can't help but feeling like this is deja-vu all over again.
<< <i>3boyz filled with scathing HOT TAEKS. Never Surrender to those hatters asking for your identity - just keep asking for cash. It'll all work out awesome. I am man enough to admit when I was wrong about your gif. The flag clearly had enough red in it for us all to see. >>
My identity is rather clear. Some get worked up either out of their own curiousity or penchant for being drama queens. I believe my OP was a bit confusing, I seemed to have come across as an individual asking for your money to host a group break. That's not the case. The point was to gather opinions and feedback on a different type of group break hosted by The Most Trusted Dealer and potentially only the most trusted members on here. I'm going to guess it wont be the latter with the current feedback and interest. Sure they may not go that route, or they may go that route. Only they know but as someone that's put in thousands in BO group breaks, I'd like to see The Most Trusted Dealer give it a shot. It benefits those wanting singles and those who have invested in unopened.
Unfortunately,many of you would be disappointed to find out that I'm not an infamous member that's caused chaos and scourge here on these boards. You know what though, some of you need to realize that your behavior on these boards can impact your own investment. Just as great information is passed by the experienced keep new members coming back, the attacks,chase them away.
Stop being a drama queen and just post your previous ID. You say you want to advance the discussion and instead of doing the one thing to end the "who is he, what is his motive" discussion you feed it with a silly persecution complex.
IMO group breaks are a fad that apparently you have embraced wholeheartedly. Personally I do not see the "vintage"/older group break strategy taking hold as there is just is not enough potential return in ripping those products.
I think not wanting to post his previous ID is a grab for attention and he is enjoying the stir that this has caused here on the boards. It is probably a good idea just to ignore him at this point and hopefully the issue will resolve itself. If we dont feed his need for attention he will eventually go away.
At this point I dont believe many will want to even trade 1987 Topps commons with him let alone do anything else with this poster.
The only drama here is caused by members who intentionally derail threads.When it comes "vintage/older" group breaks, I think the 70's and 80's standard group rips hosted every 3-6 months are adequate. It's the 90's and 00's inventory that separates The Most Trusted Dealer from the other websites. If 70's and 80's group rips can pull in new members on this site, so can 90's and 00's.
<< <i>IMO group breaks are a fad >>
It could very well be but with the amount of product being broken, IMO, it's here to stay. These breaks are very similar to the Group Rips on here through BBCE.A large amount of product broken up by a large amount of people
<< <i>I think not wanting to post his previous ID is a grab for attention and he is enjoying the stir that this has caused here on the boards. It is probably a good idea just to ignore him at this point and hopefully the issue will resolve itself. If we dont feed his need for attention he will eventually go away. >>
Once again,I'm not going to be chased away by harassing members on these boards. Grab for attention you say?Yes,on the topic in the OP.Instead understanding the reasoning behind the new account,I'm immediately persecuted by the CU conspiracy theorists.I'm not being chased away bro.
I don't think I know you and there is certainly no current or past forum member I have a grudge against. You recently threw out some staggering numbers; it is obvious to us that these "group breaks" can involve thousands, heck even tens of thousands of dollars exchanging hands. These are becoming a big money grab.
I know you have been in the hobby a while, you know how much fraud is prevelent - especially when a new member joins, gathers a bunch of posts and then offers to organize an expensive venture. You can see how members choose to protect their board. It is important to us that we know who we are dealing with.
Now, I see three reasons for you not to disclose your previous name:
1. You were previously involved in something sketchy and this will limit your credibility. ----- If this is the case it is best that you just go away and stop causing trouble.
2. You were banned from the board and do not wish to be banned again if you reveal your previous user name. ----- I understand this, getting banned must suck, but you need to realize that if you are constantly under the threat of being kicked from the board, maybe it isn't the best idea to try to organize something like this. What will happen if you start to accept money and you get banned a day later?
3. You were lying about being a member for 6+ years. ----- If this is the case then stop replying. Just stay on the board, build up relationships and credibility and one day you will get your turn at organizing something like this.
You don't need to tell us your previous name, but under all three of these scenarios it is not in your best interest to organize a group break. Perhaps you can get a more established member to handle the money and cards.
I may be completely wrong about all of this. If I am, I am sorry. You can clear up all the confusion by telling us your previous CU name. It is an issue. No one wants to do business with someone who refuses to share their name.
I try not to be one of those guys that brags about his kids all the time, but sometimes I can't help it. My son is two and a half and today he nailed the one question given at circle time in his Mommy and Me class. The question...."What is your name?"
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<< <i>I try not to be one of those guys that brags about his kids all the time, but sometimes I can't help it. My son is two and a half and today he nailed the one question given at circle time in his Mommy and Me class. The question...."What is your name?" >>
Why not brag about your kids all the time? The only ones who don't understand are those who don't have any. I think my son had it nailed by about that time too
Option 4. I left the country,couldn't recall the email account I had to retrieve my password and had to open a new account. Then when posting about a legitimate topic,and this isn't the only time,I'm accused of being someone I'm not because it's amusing to those members.Simply,I won't be pushed around,bullied or harrassed.
<< <i>CNote "I have money to burn for BBG, I mean 3BzT. Will $600 get me involved in this can't miss opportunity? >>
From that point on,the "gang mentallity" arised and the thread went downhill. I actually wouldn't have minded posting my previous handle but it was obvious with CNote and skin2's response that I'm BBG,Ice9 that I'm Gary and Captain Obvious thinks I'm Beetlejuice.Again,I don't like being insulted and then asked a question.
<< <i>No one wants to do business with someone who refuses to share their name. >>
My intent wasn't for me to host a group break,although I can see how I miscommunicated that. This was strictly to hear the feedback and opinion others may have about the "idea" of The Most Trusted Dealer being a source for them. Hoping, the idea could potentially lead to the The Most Trused Dealer doing something for the boards on a bi-weeky or monthly basis as normal Group Rips are few and far between. Seemingly,these boards would be better suited by The Most Trused Dealer hosting everything themselves. However,there also seems to be some members here with the potential to lead larger breaks,with their experience and member title should that option arise.
<< <i>Stop being a drama queen and just post your previous ID. >>
If either thing was going to happen, it would've happened by now.
'Sir, I realize it's been difficult for you to sleep at night without your EX/MT 1977 Topps Tom Seaver, but I swear to you that you'll get it safe and sound.' -CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
<< <i>Maybe I missed this. But, if they break down the cards into "teams" for purchase on the group rip. Who gets the auto & insert cards? >>
A legitimate question,whatever team is listed on the card is the team the card goes too for all cards.(base,inserts,autos). There are some variances but that's normally with player drafts. If it's a mulitplayer card,they are usually randomed between the teams notated.I'll be starting a new thread with my group break results(similar to NickM)that gives members that are truly interested an idea of how it works.
You can't remember your previous handle on this forum but you want to broker a multi thousand dollar case breaking enterprise on this forum with people who think your previous handle rhymes with fuffle-fare-swirl?
Please share the logarithm for your randomizer - important to know for these breaks.
There is no way this guy is BBG. Not even close. His word usage and typing is not even in the same realm.
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Persronally, if I were to participate in a group break *the last time I did so was when my LCS did one*, I would only participate in random breaks.
If people were going to choose their teams, I would have those teams (Think of a the Bowman when Bryce Harper was a RC) all available for bid. YOu want non-random, you pay (unless you get lucky) a premium to do so.
Rich
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Multi player cards - I've seen them randomized or assigned to the team on a particular part of the card. For instance if a card is a top/bottom split, the player uniform on bottom is the team it goes to.
If you go the team purchase route you really need to auction the slots off which blowout doesn't allow. Otherwise paying the same price across teams and randomizing leaves some with a stack of expensive garbage.
Of course if you are a collective of collectors - you can aggregate your spots and collectively pay for a collection of team collectives. And chances are you have plenty of stale gum to chew during the break and empty wax wrappers to spit it in, collectively.
Must be getting close to the holiday season as the train wrecks representing threads are reaching critical mass.
Attention seekers bumping threads so that they can stay in the limelight. Another posting that they've been around for more than half a decade but are unwilling to provide their previous user name. How long until Arnie pops up and tells us how it was being stuck in the dungeon of Disney for the past few years?
I am exercising for too much restraint to keep myself from really going off. But I will refrain. No sense in posting and being called a troll because the facts don't measure up to someone else's distorted view of the world...
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I can't see them wanting to venture into this sort of endeavor from the retail location. Secondly, I think that BO has a pretty functional, reasonable system in place that doesn't need replacing. I go to BBCE for old stuff -- unless they change some stuff (free shipping over $xx for example) it will be difficult to compete with BO and the other large online sellers.
That being said -- regardless of whether or not you have anything to hide, the fact that you choose to hide it on principle makes me think that you aren't the best person to stump for this cause. I think you understand that you are fighting a losing battle on this thread and I'm quite surprised you haven't let this thread die.
A lot of people on the boards can come off as old and crotchety -- just based on some casual demographics -- I'm guessing old AND crotchety are well represented here.
I also know that a lot of those old and/or crotchety people are some of the most amazingly generous people just because they enjoy sharing the hobby with others who enjoy the hobby.
<< <i>I can't see them wanting to venture into this sort of endeavor from the retail location. >>
I can't see them NOT doing it. If they,and I'm guessing they will,get the licenses to buy new releases.There is just too much money to be made hosting their own breaks.
<< <i>Secondly, I think that BO has a pretty functional, reasonable system in place that doesn't need replacing.I go to BBCE for old stuff -- unless they change some stuff (free shipping over $xx for example) it will be difficult to compete with BO and the other large online sellers. >>
It has to do with getting a piece of the pie. BO has sold, in group rips alone,easily 200 cases of Bowman Draft in the last 45 days. Hosting their own breaks,they consistently sell out of crazy 50-100 slot breaks at $150+ each. There was a basketball National Treasures break that sold out 40 slots at $700+ each.At Cardsinfinity, the owner has posted 27 breaks in the last 24 hours and 17 the day before. If he's averaging 20 boxes per day, that's over 600 boxes per month.So it's not replacing, it's not necessarily directly competing, it's getting a piece of that pie that's readily available
<< <i>That being said -- regardless of whether or not you have anything to hide, the fact that you choose to hide it on principle makes me think that you aren't the best person to stump for this cause. I think you understand that you are fighting a losing battle on this thread and I'm quite surprised you haven't let this thread die. >>
Again,I'm not backing down to bullying and harrasment on these boards as that's what this thread has turned into.So please,those members that have nothing better to do then act childish,keep posting.I'm not going anywhere.
<< <i>I absolutely love it when some new Gary-wannbe shows up, attempts his best used-car salesman's pitch to defraud the board, and the gets indignant when no one falls for it. >>
Whatever happened to Gary anyway?
I am man enough to admit when I was wrong about your gif. The flag clearly had enough red in it for us all to see.
<< <i>
I can't see them NOT doing it. If they,and I'm guessing they will,get the licenses to buy new releases.There is just too much money to be made hosting their own breaks.
>>
That's not necessarily true. It's a niche. Some business owners like selling the unopened product. Others like putting together group breaks. Maybe the guys at BBCE just aren't interested in the process of organizing group breaks. Companies focus on what they do well, and it's not always a good ending to try to venture into something else just because someone else is making money on it.
There's an ice cream shop near my house that makes a fortune. So why doesn't the sandwich shop three doors down start selling ice cream? It's not what they want to get involved in, because it's an entirely different aspect of a business that appears on the outside to be similar.
I'm not accusing anybody of anything but I can't help but feeling like this is deja-vu all over again.
<< <i>3boyz filled with scathing HOT TAEKS. Never Surrender to those hatters asking for your identity - just keep asking for cash. It'll all work out awesome.
I am man enough to admit when I was wrong about your gif. The flag clearly had enough red in it for us all to see. >>
My identity is rather clear. Some get worked up either out of their own curiousity or penchant for being drama queens. I believe my OP was a bit confusing, I seemed to have come across as an individual asking for your money to host a group break. That's not the case. The point was to gather opinions and feedback on a different type of group break hosted by The Most Trusted Dealer and potentially only the most trusted members on here. I'm going to guess it wont be the latter with the current feedback and interest. Sure they may not go that route, or they may go that route. Only they know but as someone that's put in thousands in BO group breaks, I'd like to see The Most Trusted Dealer give it a shot. It benefits those wanting singles and those who have invested in unopened.
Unfortunately,many of you would be disappointed to find out that I'm not an infamous member that's caused chaos and scourge here on these boards. You know what though, some of you need to realize that your behavior on these boards can impact your own investment. Just as great information is passed by the experienced keep new members coming back, the attacks,chase them away.
IMO group breaks are a fad that apparently you have embraced wholeheartedly. Personally I do not see the "vintage"/older group break strategy taking hold as there is just is not enough potential return in ripping those products.
Robb
At this point I dont believe many will want to even trade 1987 Topps commons with him let alone do anything else with this poster.
<< <i>IMO group breaks are a fad >>
It could very well be but with the amount of product being broken, IMO, it's here to stay. These breaks are very similar to the Group Rips on here through BBCE.A large amount of product broken up by a large amount of people
<< <i>I think not wanting to post his previous ID is a grab for attention and he is enjoying the stir that this has caused here on the boards. It is probably a good idea just to ignore him at this point and hopefully the issue will resolve itself. If we dont feed his need for attention he will eventually go away. >>
Once again,I'm not going to be chased away by harassing members on these boards. Grab for attention you say?Yes,on the topic in the OP.Instead understanding the reasoning behind the new account,I'm immediately persecuted by the CU conspiracy theorists.I'm not being chased away bro.
I don't think I know you and there is certainly no current or past forum member I have a grudge against. You recently threw out some staggering numbers; it is obvious to us that these "group breaks" can involve thousands, heck even tens of thousands of dollars exchanging hands. These are becoming a big money grab.
I know you have been in the hobby a while, you know how much fraud is prevelent - especially when a new member joins, gathers a bunch of posts and then offers to organize an expensive venture. You can see how members choose to protect their board. It is important to us that we know who we are dealing with.
Now, I see three reasons for you not to disclose your previous name:
1. You were previously involved in something sketchy and this will limit your credibility.
----- If this is the case it is best that you just go away and stop causing trouble.
2. You were banned from the board and do not wish to be banned again if you reveal your previous user name.
----- I understand this, getting banned must suck, but you need to realize that if you are constantly under the threat of being kicked from the board, maybe it isn't the best idea to try to organize something like this. What will happen if you start to accept money and you get banned a day later?
3. You were lying about being a member for 6+ years.
----- If this is the case then stop replying. Just stay on the board, build up relationships and credibility and one day you will get your turn at organizing something like this.
You don't need to tell us your previous name, but under all three of these scenarios it is not in your best interest to organize a group break. Perhaps you can get a more established member to handle the money and cards.
I may be completely wrong about all of this. If I am, I am sorry. You can clear up all the confusion by telling us your previous CU name. It is an issue. No one wants to do business with someone who refuses to share their name.
Jason
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
<< <i>I try not to be one of those guys that brags about his kids all the time, but sometimes I can't help it. My son is two and a half and today he nailed the one question given at circle time in his Mommy and Me class. The question...."What is your name?" >>
Why not brag about your kids all the time? The only ones who don't understand are those who don't have any. I think my son had it nailed by about that time too
<< <i>CNote "I have money to burn for BBG, I mean 3BzT.
Will $600 get me involved in this can't miss opportunity? >>
From that point on,the "gang mentallity" arised and the thread went downhill.
I actually wouldn't have minded posting my previous handle but it was obvious with CNote and skin2's response that I'm BBG,Ice9 that I'm Gary and Captain Obvious thinks I'm Beetlejuice.Again,I don't like being insulted and then asked a question.
<< <i>No one wants to do business with someone who refuses to share their name. >>
My intent wasn't for me to host a group break,although I can see how I miscommunicated that. This was strictly to hear the feedback and opinion others may have about the "idea" of The Most Trusted Dealer being a source for them. Hoping, the idea could potentially lead to the The Most Trused Dealer doing something for the boards on a bi-weeky or monthly basis as normal Group Rips are few and far between. Seemingly,these boards would be better suited by The Most Trused Dealer hosting everything themselves. However,there also seems to be some members here with the potential to lead larger breaks,with their experience and member title should that option arise.
But, if they break down the cards into "teams" for purchase on the group rip.
Who gets the auto & insert cards?
<< <i>Stop being a drama queen and just post your previous ID. >>
If either thing was going to happen, it would've happened by now.
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
<< <i>Maybe I missed this.
But, if they break down the cards into "teams" for purchase on the group rip.
Who gets the auto & insert cards? >>
A legitimate question,whatever team is listed on the card is the team the card goes too for all cards.(base,inserts,autos). There are some variances but that's normally with player drafts. If it's a mulitplayer card,they are usually randomed between the teams notated.I'll be starting a new thread with my group break results(similar to NickM)that gives members that are truly interested an idea of how it works.
<< <i>Maybe I missed this.
But, if they break down the cards into "teams" for purchase on the group rip.
Who gets the auto & insert cards? >>
Also how do they split multi-player cards of different teams?
<< <i>
<< <i>Maybe I missed this.
But, if they break down the cards into "teams" for purchase on the group rip.
Who gets the auto & insert cards? >>
Also how do they split multi-player cards of different teams? >>
Does the person with the Vikings pay the same as the person with the Bucs?
Please share the logarithm for your randomizer - important to know for these breaks.
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We are a collective of collectors who take pride and care in what we do. If you have any questions or comments about our items or service please feel free to contact us using the eBay contact link below. We will do our best to respond to you ASAP and provide custom solutions for your collecting ambitions.
If people were going to choose their teams, I would have those teams (Think of a the Bowman when Bryce Harper was a RC) all available for bid. YOu want non-random, you pay (unless you get lucky) a premium to do so.
Rich
If you go the team purchase route you really need to auction the slots off which blowout doesn't allow.
Otherwise paying the same price across teams and randomizing leaves some with a stack of expensive garbage.
Of course if you are a collective of collectors - you can aggregate your spots and collectively pay for a collection of team collectives. And chances are you have plenty of stale gum to chew during the break and empty wax wrappers to spit it in, collectively.
Attention seekers bumping threads so that they can stay in the limelight. Another posting that they've been around for more than half a decade but are unwilling to provide their previous user name. How long until Arnie pops up and tells us how it was being stuck in the dungeon of Disney for the past few years?
I am exercising for too much restraint to keep myself from really going off. But I will refrain. No sense in posting and being called a troll because the facts don't measure up to someone else's distorted view of the world...