Need help with a 1875 cc tweny cent piece

USMarine6

Im considering purchasing this double dime that's coming up in a local auction. I wanted to get some opinions on it beforehand. The strike on this coin seems to be very good and in high au condition. Looking for opinions on whether its legit and what you all think of the coin in general. Thanks for all opinions good or bad.

coindeuce

If there are any dealers that frequent the auction, you'll probably get pushed closer to RedBook price than you would care for. Or woodchucks with their RedBooks in one hand and other hand stuck in the air. Looks like a decent AU. If you can weigh it on a pocket scale before bidding , that might help confirm authenticity.

BryceM

I'm far from an expert in these cool little coins, but comparing to the CoinFacts photos I don't see any glaring issues.

Wear-wise, I'm seeing it in the XF45/AU50 range. Too much wear on the stars to be higher. Without any luster it's going to have a hard time making AU. The color here looks chocolate brown, almost like old copper. I assume it looks more natural in-hand. Hard to tell from the photos.

I'd want to know a little about where it's been and why it isn't already wearing plastic. If the story seems plausible, I'd consider bidding on it, but unless I was dang sure it didn't have any issues I'd be cautious.

But, life is made up of thousands of little gambles. This one might turn out just fine for you.

lkeigwin

The toning looks suspicious to me. If it were mine I'd give it an acetone bath.
Lance.

rec78

I would have to have that one holdered before I would buy it. The date looks too big, however it could just be the size of the photo seemingly distorting it. The CC appears to be OO, but again bad photography could be to blame. The fields on the obverse appear to be too mark free. The facial features appear to be incorrect. But then, maybe it's just me. Is the edge reeding normal? You should weigh it to see if it is within tolerance.. Let us know!! I am leaning towards fake . This does not mean that it is a fake, but it could very well be. Very suspicious in my opinion. Why don't you have a real or fake poll? JMHO.


Bob

mrkbrown87

Given if the coin is real I would say Au55,its got a lot more detail than a 50 but as said above the MM looks really funny compared to the 6 specimens I just pulled up for comparison... good luck!!!

USMarine6

The auction pictures Im hoping are not doing the coin justice. Ill certainly be weighing the coin before the auction. I was a little suspect of the coin because of the sharp details it has but I think it just may be pic. Looks like they scanned it.

ricko

It appears to be authentic....and a nice specimen..... but would definitely have to evaluate it 'in hand'.... Cheers, RickO

BillJones

Although most examples of the 1875-CC Twenty Cent Piece show weakness on the upper portion of the eagle's left wing on the reverse and weakness on the corresponding area of the "LIBERTY" on and shield on the obverse, there are coins, which are fully struck, like this piece which is in my collection. NGC certified this one as an MS-62.




The color on the piece you are considering appears to be odd, but I think that the white balance in the photo is off. For that reason you really need to look at this piece in person.

Part of the reason why I purchased the piece I'm showing was because of the strike. Most 1875-CC double dimes are weak, even in the higher Mint State grades.

astrorat

The coin is authentic, no worries at all. It has either altered surfaces, odd toning, or awful coloring from the photography. The coin is an AU-55 with a nice strike and little eye appeal.

If it's a local auction (not quite sure what that may mean) it may go for over value. Right now the prices for typical circulated double dimes are weak (except for the 75-S).

BillJones

<< <i>The coin is authentic, no worries at all. It has either altered surfaces, odd toning, or awful coloring from the photography. The coin is an AU-55 with a nice strike and little eye appeal.

If it's a local auction (not quite sure what that may mean) it may go for over value. Right now the prices for typical circulated double dimes are weak (except for the 75-S). >>



Oddly enough I've had the most trouble finding the 1875-P in Unc. and Proof. I overpaid for a decent Proof and have not seen much available for the Mint State coin.

As for the circulated coins, most collectors are satisfied with an 1875-S for type, and I guess there is not much interest in forming date and mint sets with the others. The other coins are many times scarcer than the 1875-S in all grades.

astrorat

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<< <i>The coin is authentic, no worries at all. It has either altered surfaces, odd toning, or awful coloring from the photography. The coin is an AU-55 with a nice strike and little eye appeal.

If it's a local auction (not quite sure what that may mean) it may go for over value. Right now the prices for typical circulated double dimes are weak (except for the 75-S). >>



Oddly enough I've had the most trouble finding the 1875-P in Unc. and Proof. I overpaid for an decent Proof and have not seen much available for the Mint State coin.

As for the circulated coins, most collectors are satisfied with an 1875-S for type, and I guess there is not much interest in forming date and mint sets with the others. The other coins are many times scarcer than the 1875-S in all grades. >>

Your observations on nice MS or PF Philadelphia Mint double dimes is right on the mark. Nice pieces are tough to find and expensive.

What's tougher ... low grade 76-P ... dang those things barely circulated!

Cleaned or mishandled or overgraded (the ole "AU-63" or "MS-58") are available, but not very desirable from my perspective. Interestingly, PCGS and NGC have become much more forgiving when determining market acceptability of graded coins. Pieces graded in the last couple of years would likely have been "body bagged" ten years ago. Such is the evolution of certified coins in the marketplace.

BillJones

<< <i>Oddly enough I've had the most trouble finding the 1875-P in Unc. and Proof. I overpaid for a decent Proof and have not seen much available for the Mint State coin. >>



I don't think I have even seen an 1876 double dime in less than EF or impaired Mint State. I had one with Mint State sharpness with rim problems when I was a kid in the 1960s. I paid $50 for it, which was too much at the time.

Here's the Mint State one I have now. I was not going to go the Proof and Mint State rounte for my Twenty Cent set, but when I saw this one at auction I placed sort a "fat" cover bid on it and got it. It is graded MS-65, and really solid for the grade with rich original toning. The toning probably kept the price down. The "white coin" guys hate coins like this. I'd love to find an 1875-P to match it.

astrorat

That is a truly choice double dime ... NICE!!!

USMarine6

USMarine6

The coin looked a lot better in hand but it went for more than I was willing to pay. Ill just have to wait to put a double dime in my collection. Thanks for all the suggestions and input it helped a lot.

astrorat

<< <i>The coin looked a lot better in hand but it went for more than I was willing to pay. Ill just have to wait to put a double dime in my collection. Thanks for all the suggestions and input it helped a lot. >>

What was the price?

USMarine6

It went for 1250 without the 15% juice. I would to have been in at 1300. Probably still would have been worth it to go a few bids more but I could tell he was getting it no matter what the final price would have been.

astrorat

That was a fair price, but not a deal. You did well by looking for the next opportunity.

mercurydimeguy

the coin in the original post is either a fake, or it has altered surfaces, or it was one of the first 10 coins minted

even in a pcgs holder, i would be suspect of the coin.

i have simply never seen a 75-cc that well struck (did you see the relief distance from surface to high point of the coin?? it's ridiculous)...and the rims?

the only other caveat here might be a misleading photograph, but that aside... i would not buy this coin.

my 10 cens

/mdg.