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I have three dealer opinions on this walkers originality what say you all?

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  • StaircoinsStaircoins Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭

    Surfaces appear unusually flat and lacking in luster, but could be a result of the image. Is this a scan or a photo?
  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 9,004 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks dipped & stripped to me. image

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  • WhitWhit Posts: 349 ✭✭✭
    Good morning, Morganmanic: from those photos, I would say certainly not original.

    Of course, we all know the boilerplate disclaimer regarding assessment from photos.

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  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,290 ✭✭✭
    From those images, I'm in the "not original" crowd.
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  • georgiacop50georgiacop50 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭
    FUBAR
  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The surfaces do not look original to me. The photo makes the coin appear quite dull. If it is accurate, then I would presume that it was overdipped.
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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,233 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yuck if genuine, double yuck if not.
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yuck!
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  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not original club.
  • ebaybuyerebaybuyer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭
    surfaces are micro pitted around the obverse rim/edge, no luster, looks like post PVC damage (assuming its not a Chinese fake)
    regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,097 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is that a scan or a digital photo? Is it a counterfeit or an authentic WLH? Going simply from the limited information given and the images, I do not like it at all.
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  • CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭✭
    Fake, mishandled or very poorly imaged. Possibly the trifecta!
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  • icsoccericsoccer Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭
    Ugh. Stored in leather?
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  • SmEagle1795SmEagle1795 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It looks like someone with a good dental plan chewed on the rims.
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  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't think it is real.

    Tom

  • phnataccphnatacc Posts: 367 ✭✭
    Unc details - Environmental Damage (PVC)
  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>FUBAR >>



    +1 in the sense of the poster above me.
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 36,066 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can't tell from scan

    Scans flatten the color and lose luster.

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  • aclocoacloco Posts: 952 ✭✭✭
    Corroded - 9:15 and 12:30 to 1:30 on the obverse.

    Unfortunate.
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  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭✭✭
    who are the dealers?
  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,726 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd like to see the coin in hand, but from the photos, best case environmental damage and restored, worst case - fake.

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fake is my vote.
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,161 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Genuine, corroded obverse, possibly wire-brushed (heavily).
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  • joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,774 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would sell it to the one who offered the best price
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  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll pass.


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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,848 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In the parlance of a dealer I knew who has since passed on, this coin has been "cooked." I would revise the term to "burned to a crisp" in this case. Somebody left in coin dip for way too long, or they decided that swimming pool grade hydrochloric acid would be a "dandy coin dip." It wasn't.

    Sorry but this piece is worth no more than melt.
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  • lostincoinslostincoins Posts: 4,278 ✭
    The coin in question looks almost sand cast. The other issue is that it also looks like a coin that was left in tarnx to long then acid dipped to get rid of the discoloration and all this resulted in the loss of all surface luster and the appearance of environmental damage. Just my opinion image
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,848 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>who are the dealers? >>



    If one of them liked this coin, he is a dumb bunny image if you ask me, and if he wants to buy it, I'd sell it to him before he comes to his senses or goes out business.
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  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>who are the dealers? >>



    and what did they say? >>



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  • AhrensdadAhrensdad Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭
    Not a good looking coin. The MM doesn't look right to me.
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  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,990 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow, 3 different posters with this image author icon on the previous page.
  • SamByrdSamByrd Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭✭
    were the 3 dealers in China image

  • rkfishrkfish Posts: 2,617 ✭✭✭
    looks like a cast counterfeit to me....
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  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,952 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looooong Dip in Cyanide took tarnish out and began attacking surface metal (corrosion). Good coin to sell as bullion scrap
  • rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭
    Belongs in a junk silver box.
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  • JBNJBN Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The details on the half make me think it is real.

    I would surmise it has been worked - one indicator is the sun's rays in the left field appear quite weak.

    The previously mentioned patch of what looks like corrosion over Liberty is an indicator, too.

    Environmental damage - MS details.

    Certainly not worth submitting.

    Shame.
  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,766 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks dipped & stripped to me. image >>



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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Your life just became a lot easier with 3 dealers who all agree with each other.
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  • OKbustchaserOKbustchaser Posts: 5,549 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>btw just out of curiosity, why would you need 3 dealer's opinion on said coin? >>



    Because all three dealers told him the same thing he is hearing in the thread and he is still looking for someone to tell him that he has a gem?
    Just because I'm old doesn't mean I don't love to look at a pretty bust.
  • PacecarPacecar Posts: 51 ✭✭✭
    Looks like it has been Sandblasted, if it's a genuine coin.image Too bad.
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  • halfhunterhalfhunter Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭
    Hum . . . Time to get some new dealers ! ! ! image

    PVC damaged on both Obv & Rev

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Appears real but seriously treated in some manner... was it a dug coin?? I have seen Walkers that come out of the ground and then cleaned that look just like those pictures....either way, dug, dipped, stripped etc, it is just melt or a hole filler...Cheers, RickO
  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    That is what happens when coins are cleaned. Especially too many times.

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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,563 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Fake, mishandled or very poorly imaged. Possibly the trifecta! >>


    Ditto
  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like it has been Sandblasted, if it's a genuine coin.image Too bad. >>



    Yes. This may well be the first of the (up to now only rumored) matte proofs of that year. I think the 17's are more convincing. They are not in the RedBook. image

    I took my '17 into Stacks last year. Showed it to three different staff members.

    Responses:

    Chris Napolitano - "I'd like us to remain friends after this"
    Larry Stack - "You f@@king idiot"
    Greg Cohen - "I'll have to drop it on the counter before I'd offer you $5

    For those of your who know Greg, last weekend Jess delivered a strapping 8 lb+ lad they've named Benjamin image
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  • copperhuntercopperhunter Posts: 925 ✭✭✭
    My opinion is it sounds like too much work for me....
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  • mariner67mariner67 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭
    Cast fake and if not then too badly damaged to be worth anything more than melt value.
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Perhaps fire damage followed by a heavy dip.

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