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erwindocerwindoc Posts: 5,286 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Every time I see green spots on a coin, I have concerns over PVC. Maybe I shoudnt on this one cause its in a newer PCGS holder and has a CAC sticker too. What do you think??

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  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,089 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the one on the edge at 7 oclock doesnt look good
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, those look like they could continue 'activity'....Cheers, RickO
  • indeetlibindeetlib Posts: 607 ✭✭
    I don't think there's anything to worry about there. I wish that one green spot in the dentils at 7 o'clock was removed before it was slabbed, though. There's probably a minimal amount of PVC over most of the coin, and it probably wouldn't hurt for it to have a quick acetone bath, but if it was mine I would just remove that one spot and leave the rest of the coin alone. I like the original (even if it's kind of dusky) look and thick skin.
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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It looks like it was recently slabbed. PCGS must not be too concerned [guarantee?] or they wouldn't have knowingly slabbed it if it wasn't stable.
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Black spots are a natural occurrence on copper-nickels coins. You wish that they were not there, and I tend to avoid such pieces, but it is not unusual. I am concerned about the green stuff in the dentiles at 7 o'clock, however. Sadly I think that conservation would be a good but costly move since that will involve taking the coin out of the holder.
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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That piece needs an acetone bath.
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  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭


    << <i>Every time I see green spots on a coin, I have concerns over PVC. Maybe I shoudnt on this one cause its in a newer PCGS holder and has a CAC sticker too >>





    << <i>It looks like it was recently slabbed. PCGS must not be too concerned [guarantee?] or they wouldn't have knowingly slabbed it if it wasn't stable >>




    "Further, this guarantee shall not apply to coins exhibiting environmental deterioration subsequent to certification..."

    "The PCGS Guarantee does not apply to coins exhibiting environmental deterioration subsequent to PCGS grading and encapsulation. This deterioration may include, but is not limited to, spotting, hazing, PVC contamination, changes in color, and corrosion."

    Eric
  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    what is the grade
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I contact PCGS's customer service department and see if they can acetone to remove the PVC for you.
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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,308 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Every time I see green spots on a coin, I have concerns over PVC. Maybe I shoudnt on this one cause its in a newer PCGS holder and has a CAC sticker too >>





    << <i>It looks like it was recently slabbed. PCGS must not be too concerned [guarantee?] or they wouldn't have knowingly slabbed it if it wasn't stable >>




    "Further, this guarantee shall not apply to coins exhibiting environmental deterioration subsequent to certification..."

    "The PCGS Guarantee does not apply to coins exhibiting environmental deterioration subsequent to PCGS grading and encapsulation. This deterioration may include, but is not limited to, spotting, hazing, PVC contamination, changes in color, and corrosion."

    Eric >>



    Agree, but I have to think that the spots were probably already there when it was graded/slabbed. Here is circulated coin slabbed at PCGS that has some green at the wing tip around 1 o' clock from the S mintmark which I think is green paint. It's possible the green on the OP's coin is from something other than corrosive origin. I'd contact that eBay seller and ask him if the spot/s was/were on the coin when he submitted it.

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  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭
    Not having dealt with anything non silver, I barely know anything about the series, except for what I've learned here (exception, the Jeff set I had long ago, but NONE of those had ANY spots, as it was a ''65-present' set...maybe a little toning, but nothing like that spot at 7:00. With that said, I think I would tend to agree with Broadstruck, especially where it's been pretty recently graded. What magikbilly quotes, as far as the contamination, one would think that if it WAS something to worry about, it would be 'gennied'. Just to be on the safe side, I'd do as Broadstruck suggests before it gets any worse, (it may, it may not, but as stated, that spot, it would have me a little concerned, and something maybe should be done before it becomes a larger spot that would be a little more concerning until it becomes obvious).

    And, as has been asked, what grade was it given?

    Also, I'm assuming the first and last 'A's' in AMERICA is probably MD, and as is very common with these, it's clashed on the obverse. How's the reverse???

    Speaking of clashing on these, why does it seem this particular series is clashed more than any series (at least from what I've seen). Early on, before I joined here as a member, I won one, a common date with some SERIOUS clashing on both the obv and rev. I thought it was a flipped over and struck again, the clashing was so intense. The more of these I see, the more it seems that alot of this series are noticeably clashed.
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  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭


    << <i>Agree, but I have to think that the spots were probably already there when it was graded/slabbed. >>



    I don't doubt it.

    Eric
  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anytime you have to ask that question...

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  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They may believe it to be non-active.
    Thing about spots is that I don't like them. Some of my copper coins have them, and are accurately graded, but I still don't like them when they are that visible.

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  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    Needs an acetone bath. That green would turn off most all potential buyers.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • lostincoinslostincoins Posts: 4,278 ✭
    If you trully like this coin and are keeping it, I would send it in for conservation. If yopu are going to flip it I would send it in for conservation and state that it was done. The green spots could be etching the surface underneath and could continue to do so. The black spot at 4:28ish could also etch the surface. You may find that after conservation that the coin will achieve a higher grad also. Try contacting PCGS and ask if there is any help to be given on the restoration cost because the guarantee will not cover the issues on this coin as it was holdered with them. I hope this helps as it is what I would do.
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,308 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>restoration cost because the guarantee will not cover the issues on this coin as it was holdered with them. I hope this helps as it is what I would do. >>



    Why would you holder a coin with issues if you didn't intend to honor your guarantee? Seems to me the spots must be due to an issue that wouldn't void the guarantee.
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd pass on the coin I'm not buying problems.
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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not goop at 7 o'clock, but verdigris. Acetone would be completely ineffectual. The verdigris can only (possibly) come off using a couple of different acids and techniques. In-hand inspection required, but I wouldn't be hopeful. On the other hand it could bloom into a blazing 66 !

    Don't buy it for now. I'm curious to see how much Restoration Service can do to ameliorate such a condition.
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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,308 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Not goop at 7 o'clock, but verdigris. Acetone would be completely ineffectual. The verdigris can only (possibly) come off using a couple of different acids and techniques. In-hand inspection required, but I wouldn't be hopeful. On the other hand it could bloom into a blazing 66 !

    Don't buy it for now. I'm curious to see how much Restoration Service can do to ameliorate such a condition. >>



    PCGS could have tried Verdi-Gone on it. I know they have some because you can see the bottle of it in the intro video about the sniffer.
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