Well, I guess at 32 I'm getting old.

poorguy

I have been informed that my hosting provider is upgrading servers to IIS 8. That sentence may not be a bombshell to you if you have not worked in a classic ASP coding language for over a decade. Well, IIS 8 does not support classic ASP but only ASP.NET, which are very differrent, scripting vs. object oriented, programming languages. So, After spending a year building my new website, I find out today my coding language is obsolete and no longer supported. Hi, Kharma, how's it going? Oh, I see. I still owe you some points for my dead ancestors even after this past year. Wow, they must have been real dicks or something.

So, I will be recoding the million plus lines of code over the next few months after learning a whole new programming language. I guess moving forward is not too bad. Technology changes. I am not saying my new site is bad or outdated or anything, just the language in which it was coded. After 3 kids and being a child of the 80's, I suppose you could say this is the first time I have felt really......old.

This is coin related as my website is full of them

Cue Kansas' "Dust in the wind."

braddick

Have another glass of wine.

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Goldbully

Call Obama, he is a topnotch coder in the healthcare business.

sparky64

That's a shame. I really like your site fwiw.

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

...crawl into a bottle of moonshine and hire somebody in their early 20's who just got released into the wild from college

Erik

TwoSides2aCoin

It's no fun like coins.

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keyman64

I have programmed ASP since 1999 with SQL back-end. I did the first e-commerce for an NFL team, using ASP, in 2002...it was their season ticket renewal system. I love classic ASP. I never properly made the transition to ASP.NET unfortunately even though I have build a couple of small / lame sites in it....trying to get away from programming but still do stuff. I know exactly where you are coming from.

Good luck re-building the new site!

magikbilly

I'm sorry.
I also don't want to know what the bleep you are talking about! I mean, I have an idea...but I can barely keep up with the darn eBay changes and I only write descriptions and grade/price. I don't actually create listings. I feel old enough at 44.
Whatever it is exactly - hope it get easier.
If you don't want that wine they were talking - give it here please

Eric

TwoKopeiki

Why not just switch the hosting provider?

Goldbully

<< <i>

<< <i>Call Obama, he is a topnotch coder in the healthcare business. >>



Why make things political like that? Uncalled for. >>



Not sure

Moldnut

<< <i>

<< <i>Call Obama, he is a topnotch coder in the healthcare business. >>



Why make things political like that? Uncalled for. >>



Quite typical from the poster.

MrScience

Goldbully, "let me be clear." You "acted stupidly!"

ColonelJessup

I learned 1401 Autocoder and then BAL on an 8K 360/20. Wrote maybe 30,000 lines of operating systems code in 15 years. Left behind my 370/195 (4 megs !!) for coins. In another five years you'll be half my age.

Let me tell you about feeling old

Good luck. I doubt you'll need it. You're not one to roux the day. . .

Goldbully

<< <i>Goldbully, "let me be clear." You "acted stupidly!"

>>


Thanks

MacCrimmon

Can you get by on Fortran? Snobal? Pascal?


OK, I stopped with a smattering of C. Then there were the guys in Chicago looking for someone to write forex arbitrage algorithms in C++. Pay wa$ good, but 80 hours plus per week doing nothing but coding.......no thanks! Oh yeah, that was 1988. Now, who's old?

The only firmware I deal with these days is my hand "firm"ly wrapped around an adult beverage.


Oh yeah, have fun, and good luck.

MacCrimmon

<< <i>Can you get by on Fortran? Snobal? Pascal?


OK, I stopped with a smattering of C. Then there were the guys in Chicago looking for someone to write forex arbitrage algorithms in C++. Pay wa$ good, but 80 hours plus per week doing nothing but coding.......no thanks! Oh yeah, that was 1988. Now, who's old?

The only firmware I deal with these days is my hand "firm"ly wrapped around an adult beverage.


Oh yeah, have fun, and good luck. >>





Edited to add: Just noticed CJ's post above. Now I don't feel quite as old.

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SmEagle1795

We still write all of our client-side code for Windows in raw C, resulting in a very small application with extremely high performance. Our backend has also moved over to .NET which is a worthwhile move, with C# libraries running beneath ASP.NET.

You probably shouldn't have to start fresh - a good portion of your ASP code will port over with minor changes.

TomB

New coding language? Heck, I've been writing in genetic code for decades and it never gets easy.

poorguy

<< <i>Have another glass of wine. >>



Alas, I started making wine in my freshman year of highschool and made weekly trips to local colleges which funded even more winemaking, and my wedding ring to my wife. Due to overconsumption I am am allergic to the sulfides in wine. Hence, I cannnot drink wine without severe allergic reactions. I had at one point over fifty corboys fermenting at the same time. I can make wine, great wine, methaglin, and mead, but cannot drink it. Irony at it's best.

poorguy

<< <i>I hate when that happens, but seriously are you serious about taking a year to build your last website? Well at least it worked >>



Yeah, it took about a year. In between my wife having a life threatening pregnancy, moving to a different state, making the house we moved into accesible for our three kids, my wife finding a job, my mom breaking her femur, and finding a financial backer while raising our two year old daughter. Yeah, sometimes it takes that long. Do the same and say it was easy.

lkeigwin

<< <i>Call Obama, he is a topnotch coder in the healthcare business. >>


Seriously, I feel your pain. That's technology. You will persevere and be stronger. Hang in there.
Lance.

Overdate

<< <i>I learned 1401 Autocoder and then BAL on an 8K 360/20. Wrote maybe 30,000 lines of operating systems code in 15 years. Left behind my 370/195 (4 megs !!) for coins. In another five years you'll be half my age.

Let me tell you about feeling old >>


I went through the same learning curve in the mid 1960s, then switched to Cobol and business apps. With the money I was making at the time, I could have bought a $20 St. Gaudens every week after expenses and taxes. Wish I had, but who knew?

AuroraBorealis

Man that is really horrible! Sorry to hear that... Keep plugin my friend and hope Karma is with you from now on!!!!!!!!

AB

DUIGUY

Yet another Hoop to jump through,

Thanks for this purchase from you some years ago.

BryceM

I got off the programming wagon somewhere around Fortran. Used to edit & write code for earthwork & highway design calculations. Man was that ever a long time ago. Now I'm lucky to be able to set the time on a digital watch.

Oh, and the comment about Obama was spot-on. You bet it's political - funny as #*%# too.

PerryHall

<< <i>Call Obama, he is a topnotch coder in the healthcare business. >>

ricko

Let me tell you about getting old..... I learned Basic.....and needed it to program my Robin (Digital Equipment computer)....that was the last 'language' I learned .... Cheers, RickO

kranky

If it's any consolation, our programmers didn't have much trouble moving to .NET. We thought about it and decided to strip a lot of stuff out of our code so the next inevitable architecture change wouldn't be as time-consuming because rewriting code doesn't help us do anything, it just costs money. But a million lines of code... wow.



<< <i>Cue Kansas' "Dust in the wind." >>


Now THAT's old.

pruebas

Don't you just hate those gratuitous "upgrades?"

I just upgraded my laptop to MacOS 10.9 and wish I hadn't. It is so bad I want to switch to Windows.

darktone

32 ? Your still a kid! Wow I thought you were 32 when you first got on these forums. Lol

rec78

<< <i>I have been informed that my hosting provider is upgrading servers to IIS 8. That sentence may not be a bombshell to you if you have not worked in a classic ASP coding language for over a decade. Well, IIS 8 does not support classic ASP but only ASP.NET, which are very differrent, scripting vs. object oriented, programming languages. So, After spending a year building my new website, I find out today my coding language is obsolete and no longer supported. Hi, Kharma, how's it going? Oh, I see. I still owe you some points for my dead ancestors even after this past year. Wow, they must have been real dicks or something.

So, I will be recoding the million plus lines of code over the next few months after learning a whole new programming language. I guess moving forward is not too bad. Technology changes. I am not saying my new site is bad or outdated or anything, just the language in which it was coded. After 3 kids and being a child of the 80's, I suppose you could say this is the first time I have felt really......old.

This is coin related as my website is full of them

Cue Kansas' "Dust in the wind." >>

BillJones

All of this coding language is Greek to me. As an "old fart," my computer skills are on a much lower level, but I can relate.

It happens every time Photobucket announces that they are introducing an "enhanced version." Most of the time it doesn't work when they force you to go on it, and after they do get it to work, you end up needing to execute clicks and take more time to get to the same place before the system was "enhanced."

I guess that's what they call "progress" in the world of computing.

lcoopie

at least you can still see your coins

ColonelJessup

<< <i>at least you can still see your coins >>



Coins, yes. However, I can't read the dates on many series

WhiteTornado

I don't do much code development anymore and don't miss it, either. Good luck.

PerryHall

<< <i>All of this coding language is Greek to me. As an "old fart," my computer skills are on a much lower level, but I can relate.

It happens every time Photobucket announces that they are introducing an "enhanced version." Most of the time it doesn't work when they force you to go on it, and after they do get it to work, you end up needing to execute clicks and take more time to get to the same place before the system was "enhanced."

I guess that's what they call "progress" in the world of computing. >>


I feel your pain. I always believed that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

AMRC

Why would anyone code their own website now-a-days?

DoubleEagle59

32 years old in the Coin industry is like still being in the womb to the human race.

BillJones

<< <i>Why would anyone code their own website now-a-days? >>



Maybe if you think you have skills and the time, it might save you a little money. When I was coin dealer, I kept my own books on the computer because I have an accounting to degree and knew how to do it.

poorguy

<< <i>If it's any consolation, our programmers didn't have much trouble moving to .NET. We thought about it and decided to strip a lot of stuff out of our code so the next inevitable architecture change wouldn't be as time-consuming because rewriting code doesn't help us do anything, it just costs money. But a million lines of code... wow.



<< <i>Cue Kansas' "Dust in the wind." >>


Now THAT's old. >>



Yeah, there are more pages on the back end of the website nobody sees that I coded in to print out reports, show manifests, generate and email newsletters, add/modify inventory, ebay description generator, csv, bbc, and sitemap generators, ect. Heck, I even have a script that denies entry to any ip address originating from Asia (over 36,000 lines of code on that one script.) on any page where input forms are located. Past websites were hacked by an ip address originating in beijing and crashed my sites several times. Not a problem anymore.

There are similarities between asp and aspx but I have enough ADO and COM programming in there for invoicing, database arguments, and email invoicing/payment updates/shipping updates that it will be quite a headache. If my site was mainly html, it would be a breeze and just changing the extensions from asp to aspx with a few small tinkerings would be it but I had to go and make my site productive so oh well.

poorguy

<< <i>

<< <i>Why would anyone code their own website now-a-days? >>



Maybe if you think you have skills and the time, it might save you a little money. When I was coin dealer, I kept my own books on the computer because I have an accounting to degree and knew how to do it. >>



Exactly. I gotta use my double major in mathematics and computer science degrees I am still paying off as well.

TwoSides2aCoin

<< <i>32 years old in the Coin industry is like still being in the womb to the human race. >>

EagleEye

There's an app for that.

poorguy

<< <i>Why not just switch the hosting provider? >>



I have been through several hosting providers and this one is clearly the best for the money. Godaddy nickel and dimes you for every little stupid thing and greatly limits your disk space and bandwidth. You even have to buy extra for more emails if you want to send recieve more than 250 a month. They are the worst. I have unlimited bandwith, unlimited domains, unlimited disk space, unlimited databases, unlimited emails, and have access to IIS and application pool control with dedicated ip addresses here. Plus, if most hosting providers will be moving to IIS 8, changing providers is just delaying the inevitable. Might as well find a stick to grind my teeth on and do the recoding now.

shorecoll

If you need any help in Fortran, don't call me I can't remember it. I can debug Cobol, but can't write it from scratch. Not much call for that after Y2K.

A major US retailer still had all their systems in Cobol in 1999, so they sold the company rather than figure out how to upgrade all of their IT platforms.

Bring back AOS/VS!!!

ElKevvo

Hmmm...why not just change hosting providers? Unless your really set on the one you have there are plenty out there that support classic ASP and the change over should be painless and transparent to your customers if done correctly (which is not hard at all!). That will buy you some time while you work on the change over.

If your site really contain millions of lines of code it seriously needs to be re-coded anyway. It is a nice site and I like the layout but should not have that much code. I just finished a project building an enterprise level web app for a medical company that contained 100+ ASP.net pages and that plus the database procs, functions, etc. was just a couple hundred thousand lines. Couple of suggestions...use ASP.net VB instead of C sharp...the code is a lot like classic ASP and IMO VB is a better language on many levels (strongly typed etc.) and use VS 2012.

I cut my teeth in classic ASP back in the 90's, done several conversions and have built / worked on enterprise level systems since then using a variety of versions of ASP.net. Yeah it will take time but in the end you will be able to clean up a lot of the code and should end up with more maintainable site.

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Anyway good luck and have fun!

K

JBN

<< <i>Let me tell you about getting old..... I learned Basic.....and needed it to program my Robin (Digital Equipment computer)....that was the last 'language' I learned .... Cheers, RickO >>



Thanks for the memory lane prompt.

I also dabbled in Basic. In junior high, certain students had access to the three computers that were purchased by the school.

I wrote a very long Basic program that allowed people to play Monopoly. You should have seen my DIM statements (dimensioning variables for use in the program).

I made a printout of the program, but it was on the old thermal paper. It faded into oblivion. I do regret that - it was a nice childhood memory.

Crackout

Basic, Fortran . . . .now I feel old!

Time to throw out the TRS-80!