Somebody on another forum just bought $900 worth of Fake CC GSA's

FadeToBlack

Seller was selling a whole bunch, '80, '81, '84, '85 and also had some junk silver with it, and an ASE. Always be vigilant for counterfeits of all sorts.

Here is a pic of them alongside a legit '82 they owned prior;



And a closeup; notice the different fonts, obviously the coin is unusually well struck and seems to lack cartwheel... If it was real, it would undoubtedly grade quite high given how clean it is. Also the "tabs" on the reverse are missing. The tabs are what clued me in more so than anything else.



Probably from the same batch/counterfeiter as the NGC spotted fake.


I don't know if the buyer posts here or not but figured this was worth posting here since counterfeits are a problem plaguing the hobby as a whole.

MsMorrisine

were they cracked to check them for:
magnetic
scratch to see if silver plated & what's underneath
weight

etc


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lava

What do you think looks out of the ordinary? I'm not seeing it.

blacksmoke

Ouch. That's messed up. Would be great to see some big counterfeit operation busted on the news. What's next, silver proof sets? Or is that already happening?

tincup

Fakes everywhere.

Were these sold on the other forum website? eBay?

BillJones

<< <i>What do you think looks out of the ordinary? I'm not seeing it. >>



You can't see it from the long shot of the five boxes, but the close-up of the 1884-CC is obvious if you are familiar with the real thing. I don't have an 1884-CC, but here is an 1885-CC. The differences are subtle.

Generally the Carson City mint did a good job at striking Morgan dollars. The eagles usually have their breast feathers, and the luster on the fake is weird.

Just flip up and down between the two pictures you will start to see the differences. Morgan dollars were made from hubs, and the design did not vary greatly from year to year over a period of time

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BillJones

Here is an 1883-CC in a GSA holder for Lava to compare.

bigjpst

These types of GSA counterfeits were mentioned somewhere recently. Could have been here. The black insert appears to be cardboard with the silver lettering on the insert instead of the black insert being lumpy with the embossed silver lettering on the plastic.

BillJones

<< <i>These types of GSA counterfeits were mentioned somewhere recently. Could have been here. The black insert appears to be cardboard with the silver lettering on the insert instead of the black insert being lumpy with the embossed silver lettering on the plastic. >>



Yea, Randy Campbell spotted at least one at the summer FUN show.

TwoSides2aCoin

Makes a stronger case for direct submission to PCGS

Here is the LINK to get your coins verified, authenticated, attributed, graded and eventually traded, or sold to me.
PCGS' Submission Guide Page

MsMorrisine

that luster on the fake reminds me of the sheen on the platd coins I've found in circulation.

perhaps it is plated copper or pot metal, but I'm not sure.

ricko

Wow.. fairly obvious when you know CC Morgans.....but thanks for posting those pictures, they will help others who are not so familiar with the product. Cheers, RickO

harveypb

What I find as the most obvious clue of a fake coin is the SHAPE of the
CC letters in the mint mark....

AUandAG

Note the space difference between the first three letters (UNC) Mine is the real deal.
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lava

So the coins, certificates, holders and boxes are all fake? And you can tell all of that from the photos posted?

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Kyle

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I just noticed that the plastic used for the holders is also different.

Look at the colour of the plastic on the first four holders in the first picture, compared to the last one (1882-CC).

LanceNewmanOCC

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although the one above is a different style. as cold as it sounds, the CC mintmark on these are only ones that noobs would miss.

the simple type as in this thread

here is a good example for those that haven't yet grasped the concept

and after all of that, if you still can't differentiate, stop buying CC morgans and slabs immediately!

hope it helps!
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lava

Sorry folks, I'm not convinced, not from these photos. Maybe it was pure dumb luck I have been able to buy and sell hundreds of these without a problem.

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LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>Sorry folks, I'm not convinced, not from these photos. Maybe it was pure dumb luck I have been able to buy and sell hundreds of these without a problem. >>



please don't tell me that you are trying to tell us that you think the 2 large photos from the OP are of an authentic us mint product????


it also may not be dumb luck if these were only produced somewhat recently, say the last few years or so.
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johnny9434

what a horrible way of getting burned. and a hard lesson as well to learn