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GreeniejrGreeniejr Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭
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Obverse mint mark piece of southern gold. Guess the grade

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Actually quite handsome and shows a wonderful circulated usage.

    But, it graded?

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  • SmallTownCoinsSmallTownCoins Posts: 688 ✭✭
    EF 40 + Iodine dip :-)
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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,183 ✭✭✭✭✭
    old gold like that i like but ill sit this one out on the grade, ty.
  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,290 ✭✭✭
    VF details. Damaged/cleaned.
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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
    Vf20 and I love it.
  • s4nys4ny Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Vf20 and I love it. >>



    Agree with grade and comment.
  • JustlookingJustlooking Posts: 2,895 ✭
    I was going to say damaged, but I think this is a treat rather than a trick. VF 20. And REAL nice.
    Let's try not to get upset.
  • thebeavthebeav Posts: 3,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
    XF-40
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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Is it yours?
    30
  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VF-30 damaged and, despite the current Forum discovery of iodine (and attendant paranoiaimage ), there may be some of that too. The reds are waaay too red, but I can't explain why some red "hidden" in the devices would be there and not on other contiguous higher points of the devices. The wear seems even and so (theoretically) the (putative) iodine should cover more than its seems to.

    No photography maven, but could the deepness of the red be an artifact of the imaging process?

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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    The gouge near the chin is a problem, but I still like it. F-15


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  • Coins299Coins299 Posts: 190
    15 obv, 25-30 rev

    VF20 and a nice one.image
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Net F-15

    Obv VF-20 details
    Rev VF-35 details
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,682 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't know what the grade is, but it's a flat out cool coin regardless of the minor flaws.

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  • njcoincranknjcoincrank Posts: 1,066 ✭✭
    VHF details, scratched

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  • halfhunterhalfhunter Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭
    F-15 is my WAG . . .

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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Net F-15

    Obv VF-20 details
    Rev VF-35 details >>



    This + questionable color

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  • SethChandlerSethChandler Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭✭
    F15 details, scratched.
    Collecting since 1976.
  • indeetlibindeetlib Posts: 607 ✭✭
    I really wanna say a straight VF20 since I love this issue, but those scratches and whatever is going on outside the reverse legends probably have to be called out.

    VF details, surface damage
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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,289 ✭✭✭✭✭
    20, but with problems. Back looks nicer, though.
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,572 ✭✭✭✭✭
    XF details… weak die state. Pity about the damage, so if it is in a problem free holder, it is a gift….. I would be very happy to have.

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  • CharlotteDudeCharlotteDude Posts: 3,165 ✭✭✭✭✭
    F-15 net graded for damage in left obverse field. Otherwise an attractive coin for the grade.

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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
    Grade please
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  • Coins299Coins299 Posts: 190


    << <i>Grade please >>


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  • raysrays Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VF30
  • GreeniejrGreeniejr Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭
    So the coin graded VF20 with no problems. Pics are MDP images which many of you know are among the best and most accurate around. The coin came in over the counter from a non-collector whose relative likely pulled this coin from circulation a hundred+ years ago. Because of the color we did ask as to storage and they did indicate it may have spent decades in a leather pouch of some sort. The reason I posted the coin here is that there is a significant and well respected group of southern gold collectors here and I was unsure of whether the scratch on the head and the fields bothered the people in the know. VF seems right for the overall grade based on how poorly these coins were struck. Thank you all for your opinions.
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The scratch on the head does not bother me. The scratch on the left field looks deep in the image. The red color around the stars could go either way. I am not sure that the coin would slab 100% of the time.
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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭


    << <i>The scratch on the head does not bother me. The scratch on the left field looks deep in the image. The red color around the stars could go either way. I am not sure that the coin would slab 100% of the time. >>



    Not sure there are many coins that would slab 100% of the time although I would admit that looks like a 2/3rds of the time kind of coin.

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,572 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The beauty is: There's only 1 like that. Not a bad "score" as "score" is defined. image

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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Clearly wrong on this one, so buoy an old man's mood by shipping me the leather pouch as a consolation prize. Shipping address coming via PM image
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  • FinallyHereFinallyHere Posts: 821 ✭✭✭
    Col. Jess says:

    so buoy an old man's mood by shipping me the leather pouch as a consolation prize.

    How about we send the leather pouch with a bottle of iodine inside for good measure....and call it a day image
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  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,945 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Breens grading standards. A good read for the EF guessers. image
  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Col. Jess says:

    so buoy an old man's mood by shipping me the leather pouch as a consolation prize.

    How about we send the leather pouch with a bottle of iodine inside for good measure....and call it a day image >>



    The Rite-Aid across the street has iodine. Merthiolate, mercaptan, per Abe Kossoff, are goodimage

    Intention has been determined, by the collective wisdom of this Forum, to be the ultimate criterion for artificiality. So if I put a coin in the leather pouch without intending for it to tone and then it does, I am innocent and the toning is now kosher.image

    I never intended the high sulfur content of my washday detergent to tone coins either, so it's OK to look in my sock drawerimage But watch out for detergents with phosphates.
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  • FinallyHereFinallyHere Posts: 821 ✭✭✭
    So if I put a coin in the leather pouch without intending for it to tone, and then it does, I am innocent and the toning is now kosher - absolutely!!

    So if I put a coin in the leather pouch without intending, BUT REALLY HOPING for it to tone, and then it does, I am innocent and the toning is now kosher - hmmm....perhaps this was the question you meant to ask image
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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>So if I put a coin in the leather pouch without intending for it to tone, and then it does, I am innocent and the toning is now kosher - absolutely!!

    So if I put a coin in the leather pouch without intending, BUT REALLY HOPING for it to tone, and then it does, I am innocent and the toning is now kosher - hmmm....perhaps this was the question you meant to ask image >>



    Don't try to get inside my head; sometimes it's dark enough in there that I can't see what's going on myself. Based on our decades-long friendship, you in particular would know how innocent I am.
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  • FinallyHereFinallyHere Posts: 821 ✭✭✭
    Don't try to get inside my head; sometimes it's dark enough in there that I can't see what's going on myself. Based on our decades-long friendship, you in particular would know how innocent I am.

    Now that's rich..really good! image
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That coin is way over graded at VF-20. The sharpness is no better than Fine with a net grade of VG because of the scratches on the obverse.

    I have found that the rule of thumb for slab grading is that they grade it 5 to 10 points above the actual grade. In the old days they called that "chestnut grading" which met, there rarer the coin the more the graders relaxed the standards. That to me is double dipping. You get a high price because of the rarity, and then you up it again because of the over grading. For the consumer that sucks. image

    The only saving grace with slabs is that that coin should be sold on the wholesale market at the same grade as it trades on the retail market. In the only ethically challenged dealers bought the coin in VG and sold it as a Fine or maybe VF if they were really ethically challenged.
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  • Coins299Coins299 Posts: 190


    << <i>15 obv, 25-30 rev

    VF20 and a nice one.image >>



    As I said from the start.image

    A nice VF20, no doubt.
  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,945 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Regardless of the "Official Grade", it's still an awesome coin in NOT that bad a shape overall. Eye appeal is wonderful and frankly Id be just as happy with it in a little cloth bag inside a neatly typed 2x2 paper envelope. That coin was significant money during the Civil War in the South. Untold stories, plenty. image
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm sorry Ambro51, but the "eye appeal is wonderful" with an "X" scratched in the obverse field? To be sure this is a tough type coin with the obverse mint mark, but the usage patterns were far different from those experienced by your beloved Vermont coppers. A collector needs to be a bit more demanding when it comes to gold coins from this era. You can find nicer pieces without the problems this coin has. Many gold coins spent their days in bags, which why anything in less than VF for many date and mint mark combinations is rather unusual.


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  • GreeniejrGreeniejr Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭
    Bill, to sell this coin retail without disclaimers would be unethical which is why we have chosen not to put this coin on our site. I did not want to discuss here whether the coin is for sale or not because this is a discussion forum and I am following the standards we have set here not to put spam on here. Yes we are probably going to wholesale the coin and more than likely someone 2-3 people down the road will get buried. Unfortunately that is the nature of the beast and I am not the police of the world. People have contacted me here about the coin and I have described the coin with brutal honesty and the rationale behind my price. Is it the best VF out there? Probably not. But I can definitely justify it.
  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,945 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Let's all make Bill happy and throw it in the melt pot. Worthless piece of garbage with an X scratched in it No TRUE collector would be caught within twenty feet if this fetid pile of sheep excrement.
  • Coins299Coins299 Posts: 190


    << <i>Let's all make Bill happy and throw it in the melt pot. Worthless piece of garbage with an X scratched in it No TRUE collector would be caught within twenty feet if this fetid pile of sheep excrement. >>



    ahahaha !
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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,455 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the worse they do is cite technical details…... for provenance purposes. image
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