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Anyone here appreciate nice pioneer gold??

LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,455 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Kind of slow at work - noticed that Kagins has posted some new material today - I especially like the 2nd Oregon $5 and the Mountain $10. image

Kagin's Pioneer Gold
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.

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  • raysrays Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This stuff has gotten so expensive, I don't know who can collect it anymore.
  • raysrays Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oregon and Mormon gold are fascinating pieces.
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,068 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Their note about the 1861 Clark Gruber $20 is interesting image
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  • raysrays Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Their note about the 1861 Clark Gruber $20 is interesting image >>



    And a little scary.
  • SethChandlerSethChandler Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭✭
    Yes! I love Pioneer.

    The toned Morman $5 in AU58 is really nice.

    Kagin's never really puts up much stuff on their website, correct?
    Collecting since 1976.
  • Ed62Ed62 Posts: 857 ✭✭
    When is Dr. Kagin going to publish the new edition of his Pioneer Gold & Patterns book??
    Ed
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,068 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Their note about the 1861 Clark Gruber $20 is interesting image >>



    And a little scary. >>



    Not really all that scary, I don't think.
    Once you take a close look with an original and a fake side-by-side, the differences are obvious.
    The fakes are circa 1960 or 1970, possibly by Ford ?
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  • TireKickerTireKicker Posts: 870 ✭✭
    Nice but not my series...even if I could afford itimage
    All the best,

    Rob

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  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This stuff has gotten so expensive, I don't know who can collect it anymore. >>



    The 1%.
    All coins kept in bank vaults.
    PCGS Registries
    Box of 20
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  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is one heck of an inventory....
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  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>When is Dr. Kagin going to publish the new edition of his Pioneer Gold & Patterns book?? >>



    That is a question for brighter minds than mine.



    << <i><< Their note about the 1861 Clark Gruber $20 is interesting >>


    And a little scary. >>

    Not really all that scary, I don't think.
    Once you take a close look with an original and a fake side-by-side, the differences are obvious.
    The fakes are circa 1960 or 1970, possibly by Ford ? >>



    I never felt the fakes were tricky, but the services holdered about ten of them (three or four of which were overstruck on other coins, including a FAKE prooflike 1853 $20 Assay piece). I think that they were made by the same people that made the fake Assay $20s and other sundry items that Frod marketed, but all the CG $20s originated with Jack Klausen. His story was that an elderly Denver man had them. Who knows whether he knew the truth - perhaps he was set up by somebody...

    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    I think they are very cool but wow, they are pricey.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This stuff has gotten so expensive, I don't know who can collect it anymore. >>



    Exactly. Love to have some, but the prices are all one digit longer than I would have guessed.
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  • njcoincranknjcoincrank Posts: 1,066 ✭✭
    I do...in fact I like them so much I invited a "client" to display some of his collection at the ANA show last August. Overwhelming response to them!

    njcc
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  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I do...in fact I like them so much I invited a "client" to display some of his collection at the ANA show last August. Overwhelming response to them!

    njcc >>



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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This stuff has gotten so expensive, I don't know who can collect it anymore. >>


    I was going to say that I am not sure which is more impressive, the coins or the price tags. image
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>This stuff has gotten so expensive, I don't know who can collect it anymore. >>



    The 1%. >>


    Uh, no. Try the .05%.
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have collected early U.S. Gold and southern mint gold, but not pioneer gold unless a Betchler dollar counts. I do not have the resources to collect both.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd say Bechtler dollars count.

    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>This stuff has gotten so expensive, I don't know who can collect it anymore. >>



    The 1%. >>


    Uh, no. Try the .05%. >>



    The .05% are buying Stellas and gem early type.
    All coins kept in bank vaults.
    PCGS Registries
    Box of 20
    SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,455 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They don't have to be uber expensive - here's one of my favorites - dies by Longacre - I like to fantasize that Longacre himself hand made this splasher to check the quality of his work. image

    image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>When is Dr. Kagin going to publish the new edition of his Pioneer Gold & Patterns book?? >>



    That is a question for brighter minds than mine.



    << <i><< Their note about the 1861 Clark Gruber $20 is interesting >>


    And a little scary. >>

    Not really all that scary, I don't think.
    Once you take a close look with an original and a fake side-by-side, the differences are obvious.
    The fakes are circa 1960 or 1970, possibly by Ford ? >>



    I never felt the fakes were tricky, but the services holdered about ten of them (three or four of which were overstruck on other coins, including a FAKE prooflike 1853 $20 Assay piece). I think that they were made by the same people that made the fake Assay $20s and other sundry items that Frod marketed, but all the CG $20s originated with Jack Klausen. His story was that an elderly Denver man had them. Who knows whether he knew the truth - perhaps he was set up by somebody... >>



    Good to know these all came from Klausen. Are the Klausen pieces still in slabs and collectible as such? Or have they been disavowed by the TPGs?
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  • 2ltdjorn2ltdjorn Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭✭
    my wife has informed me that we must buy a house...
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  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>my wife has informed me that we must buy a house... >>



    image
    All coins kept in bank vaults.
    PCGS Registries
    Box of 20
    SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,817 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'd say Bechtler dollars count. >>


    Privately issued gold---yes. Pioneer gold---no.

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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>

    << <i>This stuff has gotten so expensive, I don't know who can collect it anymore. >>



    The 1%. >>


    Uh, no. Try the .05%. >>



    .05% is still over 1.5 million people; while that many might be able to theoretically afford one or more of these prices, the number who actually want to spend that kind of money (or even half those amounts) might be more like .000005% ers (about 150 people, if that)

    particularly since many of the coins feature zero artistic devices, their designs consisting of plain letters and numbers

    Historic, wonderful, beautiful to me and you, yes yes and yes. fairly esoteric, even as numismatics goes? also yes, imo

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Definitely priced out of normal annals of collecting..... some nice coins though... Cheers, RickO
  • TireKickerTireKicker Posts: 870 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>This stuff has gotten so expensive, I don't know who can collect it anymore. >>



    The 1%. >>


    Uh, no. Try the .05%. >>

    image
    All the best,

    Rob

    image

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  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,290 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>This stuff has gotten so expensive, I don't know who can collect it anymore. >>



    Exactly. Love to have some, but the prices are all one digit longer than I would have guessed. >>



    It's 2 digits longer than I can afford. dang.
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  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This stuff has gotten so expensive, I don't know who can collect it anymore. >>



    With only really ONE authoritative and influential dealer, I doubt there's much "collecting" compared to "placements."

    I'd love to have dealt in these as the price can be set as any amount over your cost with no real comparisons available.

    Not for me.
  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,100 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>They don't have to be uber expensive - here's one of my favorites - dies by Longacre - I like to fantasize that Longacre himself hand made this splasher to check the quality of his work. image

    image >>



    I wish my fantasies were as likely to be real as yours. image

    I can easily imagine Longacre crafting that piece.

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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> I can easily imagine Longacre crafting that piece. >>



    His limo must have an excellent suspensionimage
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  • fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,902 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Man that is some nice eye candy!!

    Thanks for the post.

    I would be tempted to trade everything I had in coins for one nice piece.

    1850 Mormon $5
    or that N/D $5 Bechtler.

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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>I'd say Bechtler dollars count. >>


    Privately issued gold---yes. Pioneer gold---no. >>



    Bearing in mind that Regulated is one of the top 5 most knowledgeable people in the world about these issues, how, in your taxonomy, might they be different?

    Clark Gruber, NGN, Dubosq, Wass Molitor etc,etc,etc are private issues from "pioneer" states. I think they overlap. Sometimes the term "Territorial gold" is used. Redbook says "Private and Territorial Gold".

    Pray we let go of the need to quibble over semantics and get back to the pictures of very cool stuff . image
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