IF there IS a player already in the HOF that did Steroids it is....

RyanAdmirer

Expanding upon the theme of the day I thought this would be interesting. I read it in the other thread and I have to admit this is always the player that has come to mind as I've thought back. Sorry to his fans and collectors, but if I was forced to put money on one name I'd have to say that name is:


Rickey

3BoyzTrading

Anyone succesful and with a lot of muscles

JHS5120

Personally I would say Nolan Ryan.

OAKESY25

Reggie

dtkk49a

If I had to guess, I would pick Ripken Jr

bunt

<< <i>Personally I would say Nolan Ryan. >>



Blasphemy !

orioles93

<< <i>If I had to guess, I would pick Ripken Jr >>



Just wondering, what makes you say this?

gregmo32

Both Rickey and Reggie were with the Oakland teams as veterans when Mcgwire and Canseco were the young
They were also the first two baseball players I remember who looked like Lex Luger and Sid Vicious

Dboneesq

I wouldn't doubt if all of the above used it is one form or another. Most guys to build muscle ... Ripken possibly to quicken the repairing of damaged muscle (HGH ala Pettitte?). Not saying any of them did ... just saying I would not be surprised.

UnwoundSage

No doubt in my mind that Henderson was a user.

cjaccardi

George Brett
Rickey Henderson
Reggie Jackson
Nolan Ryan
Mike Schmidt
Carlton Fisk
Dave Winfield
Gary Carter
Robin Yount

are players I am pretty sure juiced , but I guarantee its is most players from 70s to 90s in the hall of fame

jfkheat

Ozzie Smith?

yankeeno7

Surely Phil Rizzuto and Pee Wee Reese did. Actually, not many know this but his teammates called him Big Daddy Reese.

lseecon

If these performance enhacing drugs had been available in the 40s and 50s its quite likely that many of the HOF players of the era, such as even Mickey Mantle, may have tried them also.

cjaccardi

<< <i>If these performance enhacing drugs had been available in the 40s and 50s its quite likely that many of the HOF players of the era, such as even Mickey Mantle, may have tried them also. >>



agreed

GR

Babe Ruth had moobs soooo id go with babe ruth

Dboneesq

<< <i>Babe Ruth had moobs soooo id go with babe ruth >>


I was going to post a picture of HOT DOGS and say THIS is what gave DA BABE DA MOOBS. So I went into Google Images and typed in "hot dog sign 1920s". SIX of the first SIXTEEN images were of Babe Ruth! lol

TheMick6

I don't think the list is quite that large

Skin2

Puckett
Rickey

Mickey71

I don't think any of the people that have been named had a serious change in body type. Henderson was a football and track star.

cjaccardi

<< <i>I don't think any of the people that have been named had a serious change in body type. Henderson was a football and track star. >>



You dont know steroids then, a change in body type is not why athletes use steroids. Its recovery and strength not muscle gain. Muscle gain can only be gained from eating to get big.

TheMick6

To me players that hang around and are unusually productive into there late 30's and early 40's stick out as possibilities. Ryan was blowing heat by hitters till the very end just like The Rocket. Feeding everyone the I have a workout regiment that keeps me young crap. As far as Rip......8000 plus consecutive innings at first would be one thing but short??? Just makes you wonder.... Doesn't prove anything

vintagefun

Users or Abusers? I think many may have before there was a policy around it. Initially, wasn't it seemingly around the science of the body, building muscle and strength, and reducing recovery times? (I'm asking not stating as fact)

I don't take much issue with those. But once there was a policy categorizing those players are "cheaters", then all the subterfuge of getting around this substance and that substance and staying a step ahead of the testers, and using others urine, and the like...in other words, knowingly beating or cheating the system, that's where I have my biggest problems. If you have to think about getting caught, chances are you're up to no good.

To answer the OP's question though, I too would go with Rickey.

MiniDuff

I have always thought Puckett. Era, body, dramatic increase in power year to year, rage issues.

LarkinCollector

Chasing Nolan Ryan

"During his 1999 Hall of Fame induction speech, Nolan Ryan credited pitching coach Tom House:



<< <i>While I was [with the Rangers] I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House. And Tom and I are of the same age and Tom is a coach that is always on the cutting edge. And I really enjoyed our association together and he would always come up with new training techniques that we would try and see how they would work in to my routine. And because of our friendship and Tom pushing me, I think I got in the best shape of my life during the years that I was with the Rangers. >>



House has admitted to using steroids in the 1970s, making him one of the earliest players to admit to using performance-enhancing drugs. In an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle, he described his use of steroids as “a failed experiment”, although he increased from around 190 pounds to around 220 while using them. He viewed the experience as a failure since the extra muscle did not enhance his substandard 82-MPH fastball, while the drugs contributed to knee problems, eventually necessitating a total of seven operations. He claims to have stopped using them after learning about the potential long-term effects of steroid use in college classes during the off-season.

House has stated that “six or seven” pitchers on every major league staff in the 1970s were “fiddling” with steroids or HGH. He attributes players’ willingness to experiment with performance-enhancing substances to the permissiveness of the drug culture of the 1960s, and he believes that steroid use has declined in major league baseball since the 1970s, as players have become more aware of the potential long-term drawbacks."

TheMick6

This thread is depressing me!

msassin

Kind of surprised no one mentioned Eckersley yet.

lightningboy

Not that I am accusing him, but Nolan Ryan does seem like a reasonable candidate. The guy was throwing just as hard at 45 as he was at 25. He also got much thicker looking through time, just like Clemens.

1985fan

<< <i>Not that I am accusing him, but Nolan Ryan does seem like a reasonable candidate. The guy was throwing just as hard at 45 as he was at 25. He also got much thicker looking through time, just like Clemens. >>



Ryan came to mind first for me as well, and anyone thinking there's no guys in the hall already who didn't juice is just fooling themselves. Reggie Jackson would be a likely candidate as well.

mattinglymint23

<< <i>This thread is depressing me! >>



+1

vladguerrero

<< <i>

<< <i>This thread is depressing me! >>



+1 >>



I would go with Rickey, Ryan, Puckett. In that order.

sportscardtheory

Ryan never had a huge drop-off, only to miraculously turn it around in his early 40s, as Clemens did. I say no to Ryan using PEDs. He was just a freak of nature who was consistently great all the way to his second to last season... and then it was over and he retired. Henderson, Puckett and Molitor are my choices. I would bet the farm that Henderson used and Puckett is as good a candidate as any, especially after seeing what came out after his death. Molitor, well...

stevebay

Here's an interesting analysis that someone wrote regarding odds on the HOFer who took steroids:



Link

scotgreb

My guess is that there are plenty . . .

If I had to pick one it would be Roberto Alomar.

swartz1

next year - Frank Thomas

haiku808

<< <i>Not that I am accusing him, but Nolan Ryan does seem like a reasonable candidate. The guy was throwing just as hard at 45 as he was at 25. He also got much thicker looking through time, just like Clemens. >>




everyone is naturally bigger at 45 then 25. People can eat the same amount at 45 and still gain weight. I personally gained 20-30 pounds in that 20 years. if i lifted and tried i probably could have gained 50 lbs all natural. I get sick when i see my 25 year old pictures of my natural 6 pack and muscle tone without lifting ! makes me sick to think i could eat anything and stay cut at 25. ffffffffffffff now, i just got a keg . blah

lightningboy

everyone is naturally bigger at 45 then 25

I understand that, but those were the very arguments, before any "proof" was brought to light, about why Clemens or Bonds were obviously on steroids.

cjaccardi

<< <i>everyone is naturally bigger at 45 then 25

I understand that, but those were the very arguments, before any "proof" was brought to light, about why Clemens or Bonds were obviously on steroids. >>



steroids do not make you bigger

NVbaseball

<< <i>Here's an interesting analysis that someone wrote regarding odds on the HOFer who took steroids:

Link >>



Didn't see anything interesting and the author did not say anything about what the odds are that a current player in the Hall-of-Fame ever took steroids. But we can come up with our own odds. The article lists 29 players, there have been four more since then. If each of them have only a 2% chance of ever having used steroids, the chance that any one of them ever did is 51%

NVbaseball

<< <i>I don't think any of the people that have been named had a serious change in body type. Henderson was a football and track star. >>



Has any football star or track star ever taken steroids?

sportscardtheory

<< <i>

<< <i>everyone is naturally bigger at 45 then 25

I understand that, but those were the very arguments, before any "proof" was brought to light, about why Clemens or Bonds were obviously on steroids. >>



steroids do not make you bigger >>



You aren't getting anything over on anyone by proclaiming 'steroids don't make you bigger, they only help a person work out'. We KNOW that.

So tired of hearing that inane argument that no one ever denies but is relentlessly brought by people who believe they are the only ones who know it.

cjaccardi

<< <i>

<< <i>

<< <i>everyone is naturally bigger at 45 then 25

I understand that, but those were the very arguments, before any "proof" was brought to light, about why Clemens or Bonds were obviously on steroids. >>



steroids do not make you bigger >>



You aren't getting anything over on anyone by proclaiming 'steroids don't make you bigger, they only help a person work out'. We KNOW that.

So tired of hearing that inane argument that no one ever denies but is relentlessly brought by people who believe they are the only ones who know it. >>



the problem is people see Mcguire or Bonds and make the dumb remark because they got big they used steroids. NO STEROIDS DID NOT MAKE THEM BIG.
If you want to point fingers at athletes using steroids do not make the assumption that because they are not swolle they are not using steroids. I know marathon runners who are feather weight who juice. Its in all sports. I would say every major league athlete in any sport juices or cheats today in one way or the other. You can never make to an elite level without doing so. Its a fact. If everyone else is juicing no matter how good you are you are not going to make it. sorry.

For MLB to deny Mcguire or Bonds but allow players like Ryan or Ripken is two faced and scape goating. MLB still has a problem , its no longer steroids , it hgh another synthentic drugs and blood doping thats almost impossible to trace.

So if you want to really keep Bonds or Clemens out than Throw out Nolan Ryan and the likes. You cannot pick and choose, you either accept it as part of professional sports or demand they all be thrown out.

Steroids for athletes have been around since the 50s how far back are we going to go . Was Aaron juicing ? Maybe , we will never know. Every one of them is a liar too. Only one that was honest was Jose Canseco and he was crucified for it.

sportscardtheory

Way to completely ignore my point. Just what we needed, a long-winded post telling us things we already know.

Oh, and no one is getting 'kicked out of the Hall of Fame', sorry. All they will do is not vote IN suspected and proven cheaters and they have every right to do so. Deal with it.

cjaccardi

steroids do not help you work out better either, learn about testosterone before making blanket statements. If anything you are close to would be steroids would help you recover better but not working out better . Why would you make such an ignorant statement ?

sportscardtheory

<< <i>steroids do not help you work out better either, learn about testosterone before making blanket statements. If anything you are close to would be steroids would help you recover better but not working out better . Why would you make such an ignorant statement ? >>



OMFG. One of these 'steroids serve no purpose' idiots. I'm not arguing with you. It will only make me stupid. You think what you need to think and I will just sit back and laugh at you... and all the morons who risk so much taking stuff you think is a placebo. lol

Tootles.

sportscardtheory

Regardless of the many reasons HR records were obliterated in the late '90s to the early '00s, PEDs played a part in it and PEDs are banned in all major sports because of their affects on player performance. Their advantages are open to interpretation, but it's simply undeniable that they create an advantage for those who use them that is considered cheating. No one can deny that. Anyone who does deny it is spewing a propaganda laden agenda and can not be taken seriously.

1985fan

<< <i>Regardless of the many reasons HR records were obliterated in the late '90s to the early '00s, PEDs played a part in it and PEDs are banned in all major sports because of their affects on player performance. Their advantages are open to interpretation, but it's simply undeniable that they create an advantage for those who use them that is considered cheating. No one can deny that. Anyone who does deny it is spewing a propaganda laden agenda and can not be taken seriously. >>



Another theory out there is advanced diet, supplements, and work out regimens helped hitters a lot faster than it did pitchers. Pitchers in that era were simply overwhelmed. PEDs help you recover quicker from workouts, and, like 'greenies' before them, helped players log the thousands of innings in a season and still be productive. Throw in the rapid, overexpansion of teams in MLB (in which now there were many more pitchers in the majors who wouldn't have been just a few years before), and you have a recipe for the amazing offensive numbers that happened.

To sit there and suggest that PEDs and PEDs alone were the culprit is someone who shouldn't be taken seriously.

Dpeck100

There are plenty of types of steroids for size. Just ask Ronnie Coleman.



Ronnie Coleman

sportscardtheory

<< <i>To sit there and suggest that PEDs and PEDs alone were the culprit is someone who shouldn't be taken seriously. >>



Good thing no one did that then, huh.

TheMick6

Hey 1985fan do you really think greenies helped players in the past the way HGH and steroids did in the 90's? There really is no comparison in the two. A greenie isn't going to help a bit in recovery if anything it's going to help a person lose muscle mass after continual use. I agree on the diet but that only goes so far a player is still going to slow down over a grueling season. You pump yourself full of HGH, the cream the clear etc and your playing 162 opening days like I said in another post.

cardsnbeads

Tony Gwynne allegedly used roids in 1997/1998 . He had an uptick in home runs those 2 years . Nolan Ryan of course . Ryan was in Texas with Canseco, Gonzalez , Palmeiro, and Brian Downing, who was probably the first guy to juice in baseball .