really? you have pcgs, cac, and some of the top gold experts on this forum (myself not included) already. perhaps you should move on to another coin. the more you look at the better idea you'll have of what's more original than others.
if you want 100% original...the closest you'll get is a 2013 PCGS MS70 gold piece.
really? you have pcgs, cac, and some of the top gold experts on this forum (myself not included) already. perhaps you should move on to another coin. the more you look at the better idea you'll have of what's more original than others.
if you want 100% original...the closest you'll get is a 2013 PCGS MS70 gold piece. >>
I understand, but I need a direct answer. Some said yes, then others said no. But I think their meaning of original is not quite the same as what I'm trying to say.
I understand you can say coins are 60% original, 90% original, etc. (RYK) but I am not talking about circulation original, how much luster is left, etc. I am simply asking, can a coin of this color, be completely un "chemicalized" since its minting.
The problem is that no one can give you an unequivocal answer based on a not-too-good image.
Without seeing the coin in-hand, the best anyone can do is give you a "likely" answer. >>
It's not the specific coin, it's the bright yellow color. >>
Is this a joke? >>
Lol. Can you stop commenting repeatedly trying to bait me in your non sense? It's annoying and unnecessary. Just give it up, and move on. Any more knowledgeable responses appreciated!
I assume that most gold coins were dipped at some point since they left the mint. Best chance to get a coin which was never subjected to chemicals is a $20 Saint.
There were hundreds of bags of Saints, well made, that never saw a moment's circulation or even a drawer, never got dirty, so no reason to dip.
few things are black and white. coins lie on a spectrum in relation to others with respect to color and the numerous and various states (or colors) they exist in today; then there are the various opinions of folks with varied experience. your coin lies on that spectrum, the one RYK may have been talking about too - many find it acceptable - our host, JA and many here.
can the color of one coin indicate a dip? IMHO - maybe. many, many coins have been dipped, but not all. sometimes obviously (scrubbed, baking soda, pink copper etc), more often less obviously - unless possessed of a great eye, thousands of coins to examine over many decades and great recall. these waters can be a little hard to navigate at first, and everyone has their own "chart". you likely need to make yours. it should be noted again that many who have spoken in this thread have those attributes (think "market acceptable" as well with regard to appearance). was this coin dipped? maybe/probably; you...just don't get to know that fully - you get a feel. other coins, other outcomes (and opinions). something in a Proof set from the late 1930's for example, should you get one thats been left alone, you have a different level of "assurance" and a context (the box, the crumbling yellow cello, the other coins etc). when you see those same Proofs in slabs, you may not be as assured as often, depending on your breadth of experience in observation and recall.
"Maybe/probably; you...just [most often] don't get to know that fully - you get a feel. "
Me? I'd "wager" most probably helped somewhere along the line like a lot out there. Listen to the gold guys. Messengers and messages can be separated. The best of both rarely travel together. Look at me. It is the passing of experience and knowledge that matter I believe (not that I have those things).
The whole market acceptable thing and I don't always see eye to eye - but when the time comes to sell, MA will speak in tones perhaps louder than the quality item I collected. I can't control what is MA, but I can sure do my best to collect what I have learned, and in some cases discovered, to be quality in every sense of the word I can afford. What will be "quality" at that time, and what will be MA...well, I spend that energy on my collections.
IMO the coin has been dipped. PCGS, NGC, CAC slab or sticker the typical dipped coin. Look at the pictures posted previously and you will get an idea of what an undipped coin looks like. Here's one that hasn't been dipped.
I prefer Orange Poupon to Grey or Yellow. I mean, an orange skin doesn't usually expose "hits or ticks". Those sparkle under light and it's tough to get that "look" back no matter how much time lapses. Be it silver or gold. There's a grey and a yellow my eyes pick up. And I cannot say without the coin being "in hand" with certainty. And even then, I could be wrong half the time.
Why would a clearly dipped coin, get passed for PCGS? Is it simply b/c it was non abrasive, or very little?
In my experience, the two major grading services will slab a dipped coin in a problem-free holder - except in the case of an uncirculated coin whose luster has been impaired by prolonged exposure.
As you suggested, dipping (generally in E-Z-Est) is (essentially) non abrasive.
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<< <i>Any other opinions? >>
really? you have pcgs, cac, and some of the top gold experts on this forum (myself not included) already. perhaps you should move on to another coin. the more you look at the better idea you'll have of what's more original than others.
if you want 100% original...the closest you'll get is a 2013 PCGS MS70 gold piece.
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<< <i>Any other opinions? >>
really? you have pcgs, cac, and some of the top gold experts on this forum (myself not included) already. perhaps you should move on to another coin. the more you look at the better idea you'll have of what's more original than others.
if you want 100% original...the closest you'll get is a 2013 PCGS MS70 gold piece. >>
I understand, but I need a direct answer. Some said yes, then others said no. But I think their meaning of original is not quite the same as what I'm trying to say.
I understand you can say coins are 60% original, 90% original, etc. (RYK) but I am not talking about circulation original, how much luster is left, etc. I am simply asking, can a coin of this color, be completely un "chemicalized" since its minting.
The problem is that no one can give you an unequivocal answer based on a not-too-good image.
Without seeing the coin in-hand, the best anyone can do is give you a "likely" answer.
Check out the Southern Gold Society
<< <i>Coins299,
The problem is that no one can give you an unequivocal answer based on a not-too-good image.
Without seeing the coin in-hand, the best anyone can do is give you a "likely" answer. >>
It's not the specific coin, it's the bright yellow color.
edited to add: the color of a coin does not exist in isolation: it only has significance as an aspect of the coin.
Check out the Southern Gold Society
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<< <i>Coins299,
The problem is that no one can give you an unequivocal answer based on a not-too-good image.
Without seeing the coin in-hand, the best anyone can do is give you a "likely" answer. >>
It's not the specific coin, it's the bright yellow color. >>
Is this a joke?
Latin American Collection
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<< <i>Coins299,
The problem is that no one can give you an unequivocal answer based on a not-too-good image.
Without seeing the coin in-hand, the best anyone can do is give you a "likely" answer. >>
It's not the specific coin, it's the bright yellow color. >>
Is this a joke? >>
Lol. Can you stop commenting repeatedly trying to bait me in your non sense? It's annoying and unnecessary. Just give it up, and move on. Any more knowledgeable responses appreciated!
left the mint. Best chance to get a coin which was never subjected
to chemicals is a $20 Saint.
There were hundreds of bags of Saints, well made,
that never saw a moment's circulation or even a drawer, never got
dirty, so no reason to dip.
coins lie on a spectrum in relation to others with respect to color and the numerous and various states (or colors) they exist in today; then there are the various opinions of folks with varied experience.
your coin lies on that spectrum, the one RYK may have been talking about too - many find it acceptable - our host, JA and many here.
can the color of one coin indicate a dip? IMHO - maybe.
many, many coins have been dipped, but not all.
sometimes obviously (scrubbed, baking soda, pink copper etc), more often less obviously - unless possessed of a great eye, thousands of coins to examine over many decades and great recall.
these waters can be a little hard to navigate at first, and everyone has their own "chart".
you likely need to make yours.
it should be noted again that many who have spoken in this thread have those attributes (think "market acceptable" as well with regard to appearance).
was this coin dipped? maybe/probably; you...just don't get to know that fully - you get a feel.
other coins, other outcomes (and opinions).
something in a Proof set from the late 1930's for example, should you get one thats been left alone, you have a different level of "assurance" and a context (the box, the crumbling yellow cello, the other coins etc).
when you see those same Proofs in slabs, you may not be as assured as often, depending on your breadth of experience in observation and recall.
Most importantly - what do YOU think?
best wishes - hope this was of use,
Eric
Coins299 - Most importantly - what do YOU think?
Eric
<< <i>Nice coin, who cares if it has been dipped:
Me? I'd "wager" most probably helped somewhere along the line like a lot out there. Listen to the gold guys. Messengers and messages can be separated. The best of both rarely travel together. Look at me.
It is the passing of experience and knowledge that matter I believe (not that I have those things).
The whole market acceptable thing and I don't always see eye to eye - but when the time comes to sell, MA will speak in tones perhaps louder than the quality item I collected. I can't control what is MA, but I can sure do my best to collect what I have learned, and in some cases discovered, to be quality in every sense of the word I can afford. What will be "quality" at that time, and what will be MA...well, I spend that energy on my collections.
Best wishes,
Eric
Eric
<< <i>This was a very interesting thread with much said of value to many - thank you
Eric >>
I almost forgot!
Why would a clearly dipped coin, get passed for PCGS? Is it simply b/c it was non abrasive, or very little?
NOW! This thread will die after all responses.
Here's one that hasn't been dipped.
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
In my experience, the two major grading services will slab a dipped coin in a problem-free holder - except in the case of an uncirculated coin whose luster has been impaired by prolonged exposure.
As you suggested, dipping (generally in E-Z-Est) is (essentially) non abrasive.
Check out the Southern Gold Society