<< <i>He's never going to be able to provide enough proof to get whatever looking for in unopened state. My guess, he's looking to get $3500-4000 for the box. For the gamble, that price isn't realistic IMHO. >>
Exactly what is the gamble with this box? IF I sold it, it would be the entire box to one buyer and he would have my guarantee that any potential errors will indeed be errors. What guarantee does anybody get when they pay $3000 to $4000 for a box of 1975 minis?
RookieWax, you're setting yourself up for disaster if that's how you're going to handle the transaction. Someone is just going to buy the box, open it, say they didn't get any NNOF even if they did, and ask you to fulfill your guarantee. How do you propose to prevent that? Calling them on their BS and refusing the refund? No offense, but your "refund" is the refund of a complete stranger with no credentials in the hobby.
Not to mention that, despite your super secret pleas to the contrary, I don't see any way to prove your box is an error box. But good luck.
<< <i>He's never going to be able to provide enough proof to get whatever looking for in unopened state. My guess, he's looking to get $3500-4000 for the box. For the gamble, that price isn't realistic IMHO. >>
Exactly what is the gamble with this box? IF I sold it, it would be the entire box to one buyer and he would have my guarantee that any potential errors will indeed be errors. What guarantee does anybody get when they pay $3000 to $4000 for a box of 1975 minis? >>
Airfare, travel time, hotel, etc. for anyone not local. You've said yourself this box would have to be ripped anyway to prove it's an error box (at least a portion in your presence so no funny business on the buyers part to live up to your guarantee), so there is no added premium in unopened state (unlike an unopened 75 mini box). Assuming it really is an error box, it's purely a statistical gamble where the buyer would want to be on the low end of probabilities (say 6 partial blackless not including the NNOF with one of those being gum or wax stained) minus aforementioned expenses. Call it $1200 - at least $300 in expenses, best case. Why not rip it yourself and sell any errors you get?
As I said before, knowing your past history with the errors, I'd be willing to gamble on this being an error box for $150-200 and avoiding all the other hassle.
You can talk any wax box down the way you are talking. Using your philosophy, a 1975 mini wax box should never sell for anything higher than about $300. If you want to talk "low end", a 1975 mini box with mostly OC cards(which is the norm with those boxes) and no Brett would leave the box ripper with nothing more than about $300 in single minis. Yet, there are buyers at $3000 for a mini box who are FULLY INTENT ON RIPPING IT. Just like the buyer would need to be for a 1990 error box. The low end you described (6 partial blackless errors and no Thomas) would leave a low end at about $1000. So again, which is the bigger gamble if your intent is to rip it?
<< <i>RookieWax, you're setting yourself up for disaster if that's how you're going to handle the transaction. Someone is just going to buy the box, open it, say they didn't get any NNOF even if they did, and ask you to fulfill your guarantee. How do you propose to prevent that? Calling them on their BS and refusing the refund? No offense, but your "refund" is the refund of a complete stranger with no credentials in the hobby.
Not to mention that, despite your super secret pleas to the contrary, I don't see any way to prove your box is an error box. But good luck. >>
The buyer would need to purchase it in person and rip it on the spot of purchase or clearly I would never agree to any guarantee.
Why don't you just open the box if you feel that confident it is an error box and reap the rewards yourself? Especially since there reallt is no way to confirm the contents of the box by simply looking at it. In any case, fishing for a sale on the main board of this forum seems rather inappropriate. JMHO.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I believe Rookiewax knows what hes talking about. He once shared with me some of his scans of his NNOF Thomas cards that he pulled out and the PSA cert numbers were back to back meaning that they were subbed at the same time which would be consistent with someone who pulled them and sent them in together.
<< <i>Why don't you just open the box if you feel that confident it is an error box and reap the rewards yourself? Especially since there reallt is no way to confirm the contents of the box by simply looking at it. In any case, fishing for a sale on the main board of this forum seems rather inappropriate. JMHO. >>
About 80% of responses in this thread have comments like this one which clearly indicate people haven't even read through the thread before making comments. I clearly stated I have no intention of selling it.
<< <i>Why don't you just open the box if you feel that confident it is an error box and reap the rewards yourself? Especially since there reallt is no way to confirm the contents of the box by simply looking at it. In any case, fishing for a sale on the main board of this forum seems rather inappropriate. JMHO. >>
About 80% of responses in this thread have comments like this one which clearly indicate people haven't even read through the thread before making comments. I clearly stated I have no intention of selling it. >>
Yes, but when you talk about "money back guarantees" and how to conduct the sale and the purchase transaction if you were to sell the box, the implication certainly seems otherwise.,
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Again, if you would read the thread, you would see that the guarantee I mention was in response to the obvious resonses i was going to get saying a sale would never work because there is no proof. I said with a guarantee in place, a sale of such a box could work.
Well this started out as a great thread but as usual the haters come out of the woodwork with nothing better to do than rip on over people. I would love to take a chance with some 1990 error and if a few blackless cards already came from the box/case that would definitely tempt me. If you take a look at ebay and some other sights, 1990 topps unopened sells pretty well in all forms, others like me are hoping to get lucky with the Thomas NNOF or even the Bush maybe.
<< <i>Well this started out as a great thread but as usual the haters come out of the woodwork with nothing better to do than rip on over people. I would love to take a chance with some 1990 error and if a few blackless cards already came from the box/case that would definitely tempt me. If you take a look at ebay and some other sights, 1990 topps unopened sells pretty well in all forms, others like me are hoping to get lucky with the Thomas NNOF or even the Bush maybe. >>
Haters? Best I can tell, RookieWax appears to be presenting a completely hypothetical scenario. Obviously, people are going to come on and point out the unrealistic nature of it but then he comes back and stresses that it's all just a hypothetical. Okay, sure, great thread.
Hypothetically, could I get someone to buy a turd if I guarantee them there's pure gold underneath? Discuss.
<< <i>Well this started out as a great thread but as usual the haters come out of the woodwork with nothing better to do than rip on over people. I would love to take a chance with some 1990 error and if a few blackless cards already came from the box/case that would definitely tempt me. If you take a look at ebay and some other sights, 1990 topps unopened sells pretty well in all forms, others like me are hoping to get lucky with the Thomas NNOF or even the Bush maybe. >>
Haters? Best I can tell, RookieWax appears to be presenting a completely hypothetical scenario. Obviously, people are going to come on and point out the unrealistic nature of it but then he comes back and stresses that it's all just a hypothetical. Okay, sure, great thread.
Hypothetically, could I get someone to buy a turd if I guarantee them there's pure gold underneath? Discuss. >>
Once again, WHY do people keep posting here without reading the thread?? Go back and read that I tried to start this thread out as purely hypothetical to try to avoid all of the skepticism and avoid people thinking I am posting here to sell the box. But that brought out nothing but smarta$$ comments. Go back and read that at that point, I admitted I have such a box.
Once again, WHY do people keep posting here without reading the thread?? Go back and read that I tried to start this thread out as purely hypothetical to try to avoid all of the skepticism and avoid people thinking I am posting here to sell the box. But that brought out nothing but smarta$$ comments. Go back and read that at that point, I admitted I have such a box.
So what you're saying here is that you lied about the box being hypothetical? I'm floored, really I am. Totally didn't see this coming. But seriously....
Ok, so after admitting you lied and rationalizing the fact that you lied because everybody here immediately saw through your cleverly devised veil of hypotheticality, you expect anybody to believe or care about anything you say about this box? From the getgo you've clearly been driving this thread to wherever you're trying to make it go, which is likely for someone to say "your box is worth $xxxx" and have everybody else agree so you can feel good about yourself. I'm thinking this probably isn't going to happen so letting the thread die is most likely your best option rather than posting "have you actually read the thread" over and over to anybody that responds negatively. I've read the thread and I'm not impressed.
Say, hypothetically speaking of course, someone were to start a thread and then 20 posts in admit that they lied about the original premise.... Would anybody take the OP seriously after that point?
<< <i>Once again, WHY do people keep posting here without reading the thread?? Go back and read that I tried to start this thread out as purely hypothetical to try to avoid all of the skepticism and avoid people thinking I am posting here to sell the box. But that brought out nothing but smarta$$ comments. Go back and read that at that point, I admitted I have such a box.
So what you're saying here is that you lied about the box being hypothetical? I'm floored, really I am. Totally didn't see this coming. But seriously....
Ok, so after admitting you lied and rationalizing the fact that you lied because everybody here immediately saw through your cleverly devised veil of hypotheticality, you expect anybody to believe or care about anything you say about this box? From the getgo you've clearly been driving this thread to wherever you're trying to make it go, which is likely for someone to say "your box is worth $xxxx" and have everybody else agree so you can feel good about yourself. I'm thinking this probably isn't going to happen so letting the thread die is most likely your best option rather than posting "have you actually read the thread" over and over to anybody that responds negatively. I've read the thread and I'm not impressed. >>
You're forgetting the "I believe I discovered how to tell which 1990 Topps boxes are the error boxes and while I won't explain my theory I want everyone to know I have a theory and how smart that makes me and just take my word for it as an ironclad infallible guarantee on my sometimes hypothetical sale" aspect.
<< <i>You can talk any wax box down the way you are talking. Using your philosophy, a 1975 mini wax box should never sell for anything higher than about $300. If you want to talk "low end", a 1975 mini box with mostly OC cards(which is the norm with those boxes) and no Brett would leave the box ripper with nothing more than about $300 in single minis. Yet, there are buyers at $3000 for a mini box who are FULLY INTENT ON RIPPING IT. Just like the buyer would need to be for a 1990 error box. The low end you described (6 partial blackless errors and no Thomas) would leave a low end at about $1000. So again, which is the bigger gamble if your intent is to rip it? >>
A 75 mini wax box can be certified as authentic without ripping, your potential error box cannot. I think current 70s pricing has gone beyond what most rippers will pay (see various other threads discussing unopened), people are collecting it now to leave unopened for the rarity of having unopened product from that era. You're dealing with two different mentalities on unopened, ripping for profit/potential profit (these people have a much lower ceiling of what they'll pay) and unopened collector (factors in rarity of unopened product, higher ceiling, smaller niche). Your box eliminates the latter group. Based on responses to this thread, the ripper group prices this box from $150-1000, not the value you want to hear, but best of luck finding someone to pay what you think it's worth.
WOW...sure are a couple of real "richards" here...just because I ask people to maybe read the thread before commenting in the thread? And STDNuts, I am sure you would like for this thread to go away...it is clear that is the sole reason you "joined in" with 3 posts containing no substance or logic, but instead just your typical "richard" attitude. Don't know why you even bother to post with nothing to add. I guess that says a lot about you.
Confirmed NNOF boxes like this would be a freaking joy to buy On a lesser scale I bought a couple 'error' boxes of the 1989 fleer FF/johnson marlboro blackout (or whatever) stuff from tsalems web site a month ago and they were defintiely legit. (thanks tsalems !) It was VERY fun opening up them and actually pulling an FF card which I thought was a myth back in 1989.
<< <i>WOW...sure are a couple of real "richards" here...just because I ask people to maybe read the thread before commenting in the thread? And STDNuts, I am sure you would like for this thread to go away...it is clear that is the sole reason you "joined in" with 3 posts containing no substance or logic, but instead just your typical "richard" attitude. Don't know why you even bother to post with nothing to add. I guess that says a lot about you. >>
you have now subjugated Forum Rule #3, good job.
although your intention is genuine, you've proved that there is no proof until the hypothesis dies. you can't quantify value based on assumption, at least that's what i've been taught.
take it all in stride and enjoy the humor. i think you might be taking yourself a bit too seriously.
<< <i>Have you tried to contact BBCE about this? I really think that's the only way you could get a premium for a box like this. >>
Thought about it.....but I haven't contacted them. Not sure Steve would be interested....especially since I have just the one box. I guess it is possible he might be if I share with him what I know about how to identify a potential error box based on what you pull from opening a few packs. Having opened many error packs from two separate sources, there are 3 other things I found to be in common with several other cards on the orange sheet besides the 12 partial blackless cards and the No Name Thomas.
Not sure where you got your information from but CDsNuts name is Shirley not Richard.
If anyone is interested in the hypothetical possibility of owning a centered 1995 Bowman's Best B84 Orlando Miller Refractor graded PSA 9, I hypothetically may be able to put one in your collection.
And STDNuts, I am sure you would like for this thread to go away.
Actually I would love for this thread to stay near the top for at least a month. I'm very much enjoying it.
it is clear that is the sole reason you "joined in" with 3 posts containing no substance or logic
Logic and substance I've contributed: I deduced 'logically' that you obviously had an agenda by starting this thread, which is to thump your chest about your great 'find' and your knowledge of 90 Topps blackless, drum up interest on the board, and inflate its value. Why else would somebody create a non-hypothetical hypothetical such as 'If something were to exist, what would it be worth'? Hell, you even admitted yourself that you lied about it being hypothetical, did you not? If you didn't have an agenda in starting this thread, what would be your reason to deceive in the initial post? Why not just say 'Hey guys, "I have this box that I think is a partial blackless box based on XYZ, what do you think it's worth?" Straightforward, to the point. You went in more underhanded direction- why? And after admitting you lied in the initial post, why would you expect anybody take you seriously about anything else you say about this box or your theories?
I also added comedy, which at the very least I thought was amusing. And that's all that matters really.
<< <i>And STDNuts, I am sure you would like for this thread to go away.
Actually I would love for this thread to stay near the top for at least a month. I'm very much enjoying it.
it is clear that is the sole reason you "joined in" with 3 posts containing no substance or logic
Logic and substance I've contributed: I deduced 'logically' that you obviously had an agenda by starting this thread, which is to thump your chest about your great 'find' and your knowledge of 90 Topps blackless, drum up interest on the board, and inflate its value. Why else would somebody create a non-hypothetical hypothetical such as 'If something were to exist, what would it be worth'? Hell, you even admitted yourself that you lied about it being hypothetical, did you not? If you didn't have an agenda in starting this thread, what would be your reason to deceive in the initial post? Why not just say 'Hey guys, "I have this box that I think is a partial blackless box based on XYZ, what do you think it's worth?" Straightforward, to the point. You went in more underhanded direction- why? And after admitting you lied in the initial post, why would you expect anybody take you seriously about anything else you say about this box or your theories?
I also added comedy, which at the very least I thought was amusing. And that's all that matters really. >>
Let's see, I have already been attacked because someone here believes I started this thread to try to sell it...even though I tried to keep it hypothetical . And the early responses and tone forced me to change that. So now you are going to continue to accuse me of starting this thread with an agenda to inflate its value so I can sell it? What?
it is clear by your posts here and suggestion that I "let this thread die" that you are jealous as hell that someone owns such desirable unopened packs. This became very obvious and confirmed when I looked back to the thread from 2009 in which I announced I had a 1990 Topps error case and was posting about my pulls of the NNOF Thomas cards. Quote from CDsNuts: "why don't I ever step in it like that?"......and you continued to try talk me into opening the packs when I kept saying I am thinking about keeping the remaining packs unopened. And when I announced near the end that I had just opened the last of my error packs, quote from CDsNuts: "I am glad that is finally over".
it is clear by your posts here and suggestion that I "let this thread die" that you are jealous as hell that someone owns such desirable unopened packs.
You're talking to someone that busted over 35k in 60s-90s wax in a 3 year period- a dozen 91 Desert shield packs, 93 finest boxes, 78 rack case, 75 fb rack box, 1976-81 basketball boxes, 1/2 box of 86 fleer bk packs to name a handful. I honestly couldn't give 2 squirts about your 'desirable unopened packs'. And that's not even that much by this board's standards. If you think a potential $1-3k box has anybody here drooling you clearly aren't paying attention.
I just find it funny the way you go about things and felt the need to needle you a little; clearly it touched a nerve.
I'm telling you man your best and prob only bet is to talk to bbce. I know nothing about this Box or the print run ect... So I don't even know if its even possible to prove the box is something special. What I do know is that what the general public knows doesn't matter. There are a lot of lemmings out there. If bbce listed a 1990 error box and sold it by the packed I would guarantee it would sell out very quickly. It would prob be featured in a group rip on this board. I'm not bashing anyone either.. The only way I would buy a ds pack would be from bbce. The pope could be selling packs of 91 topps ds but unless it was shrink wrapped by bbce its worthless in the secondary market. You don't have any downside reaching out to them. Worst case they just say its not something they can verify and you are in the same position you are in now.. But You are essentially wasting your time debating with anyone here. I also don't really get why you are getting ripped so badly (pun intended). Must be a lot of frustrated Jacksonville fans who want tebow.
Really Joe, I think the coolest thing you can do with this box is record a box break, disclosing the information as to why you think the box contains errors and posting it on the net.
The level of skepticism that would surround such a transaction will prevent the box from selling above it's potential content value...this is one of those cases where the contents are worth more than the box.
<< <i>Really Joe, I think the coolest thing you can do with this box is record a box break, disclosing the information as to why you think the box contains errors and posting it on the net.
The level of skepticism that would surround such a transaction will prevent the box from selling above it's potential content value...this is one of those cases where the contents are worth more than the box. >>
Ross, that just might be what I eventually end up doing. I gave into opening that entire case back in 2009 because of the fact that I had been pulling both error and non-error cards from it. Because I am confident this box contains only error packs, I am going to wait a while on this one before deciding. I actually wish I had recorded some of my previous error pulls....but then again, just like with everything else around here, I probably would have been accused of resealing the errors into the packs and staging the entire rip.
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<< <i>He's never going to be able to provide enough proof to get whatever looking for in unopened state. My guess, he's looking to get $3500-4000 for the box. For the gamble, that price isn't realistic IMHO. >>
Exactly what is the gamble with this box? IF I sold it, it would be the entire box to one buyer and he would have my guarantee that any potential errors will indeed be errors. What guarantee does anybody get when they pay $3000 to $4000 for a box of 1975 minis?
Not to mention that, despite your super secret pleas to the contrary, I don't see any way to prove your box is an error box. But good luck.
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<< <i>He's never going to be able to provide enough proof to get whatever looking for in unopened state. My guess, he's looking to get $3500-4000 for the box. For the gamble, that price isn't realistic IMHO. >>
Exactly what is the gamble with this box? IF I sold it, it would be the entire box to one buyer and he would have my guarantee that any potential errors will indeed be errors. What guarantee does anybody get when they pay $3000 to $4000 for a box of 1975 minis? >>
Airfare, travel time, hotel, etc. for anyone not local. You've said yourself this box would have to be ripped anyway to prove it's an error box (at least a portion in your presence so no funny business on the buyers part to live up to your guarantee), so there is no added premium in unopened state (unlike an unopened 75 mini box). Assuming it really is an error box, it's purely a statistical gamble where the buyer would want to be on the low end of probabilities (say 6 partial blackless not including the NNOF with one of those being gum or wax stained) minus aforementioned expenses. Call it $1200 - at least $300 in expenses, best case. Why not rip it yourself and sell any errors you get?
As I said before, knowing your past history with the errors, I'd be willing to gamble on this being an error box for $150-200 and avoiding all the other hassle.
<< <i>RookieWax, you're setting yourself up for disaster if that's how you're going to handle the transaction. Someone is just going to buy the box, open it, say they didn't get any NNOF even if they did, and ask you to fulfill your guarantee. How do you propose to prevent that? Calling them on their BS and refusing the refund? No offense, but your "refund" is the refund of a complete stranger with no credentials in the hobby.
Not to mention that, despite your super secret pleas to the contrary, I don't see any way to prove your box is an error box. But good luck. >>
The buyer would need to purchase it in person and rip it on the spot of purchase or clearly I would never agree to any guarantee.
<< <i>RookieWax, would you be willing to throw in a bottle of snake oil along with the 1990 Topps error wax box? >>
No, sorry, that is clearly your line of work.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Why don't you just open the box if you feel that confident it is an error box and reap the rewards yourself? Especially since there reallt is no way to confirm the contents of the box by simply looking at it. In any case, fishing for a sale on the main board of this forum seems rather inappropriate. JMHO. >>
About 80% of responses in this thread have comments like this one which clearly indicate people haven't even read through the thread before making comments. I clearly stated I have no intention of selling it.
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<< <i>Why don't you just open the box if you feel that confident it is an error box and reap the rewards yourself? Especially since there reallt is no way to confirm the contents of the box by simply looking at it. In any case, fishing for a sale on the main board of this forum seems rather inappropriate. JMHO. >>
About 80% of responses in this thread have comments like this one which clearly indicate people haven't even read through the thread before making comments. I clearly stated I have no intention of selling it. >>
Yes, but when you talk about "money back guarantees" and how to conduct the sale and the purchase transaction if you were to sell the box, the implication certainly seems otherwise.,
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
resonses i was going to get saying a sale would never work because there is no proof. I said with a guarantee in place, a sale of such a box could work.
<< <i>Well this started out as a great thread but as usual the haters come out of the woodwork with nothing better to do than rip on over people. I would love to take a chance with some 1990 error and if a few blackless cards already came from the box/case that would definitely tempt me. If you take a look at ebay and some other sights, 1990 topps unopened sells pretty well in all forms, others like me are hoping to get lucky with the Thomas NNOF or even the Bush maybe. >>
Haters? Best I can tell, RookieWax appears to be presenting a completely hypothetical scenario. Obviously, people are going to come on and point out the unrealistic nature of it but then he comes back and stresses that it's all just a hypothetical. Okay, sure, great thread.
Hypothetically, could I get someone to buy a turd if I guarantee them there's pure gold underneath? Discuss.
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<< <i>Well this started out as a great thread but as usual the haters come out of the woodwork with nothing better to do than rip on over people. I would love to take a chance with some 1990 error and if a few blackless cards already came from the box/case that would definitely tempt me. If you take a look at ebay and some other sights, 1990 topps unopened sells pretty well in all forms, others like me are hoping to get lucky with the Thomas NNOF or even the Bush maybe. >>
Haters? Best I can tell, RookieWax appears to be presenting a completely hypothetical scenario. Obviously, people are going to come on and point out the unrealistic nature of it but then he comes back and stresses that it's all just a hypothetical. Okay, sure, great thread.
Hypothetically, could I get someone to buy a turd if I guarantee them there's pure gold underneath? Discuss. >>
Once again, WHY do people keep posting here without reading the thread?? Go back and read that I tried to start this thread out as purely hypothetical to try to avoid all of the skepticism and avoid people thinking I am posting here to sell the box. But that brought out nothing but smarta$$ comments. Go back and read that at that point, I admitted I have such a box.
So what you're saying here is that you lied about the box being hypothetical? I'm floored, really I am. Totally didn't see this coming. But seriously....
Ok, so after admitting you lied and rationalizing the fact that you lied because everybody here immediately saw through your cleverly devised veil of hypotheticality, you expect anybody to believe or care about anything you say about this box? From the getgo you've clearly been driving this thread to wherever you're trying to make it go, which is likely for someone to say "your box is worth $xxxx" and have everybody else agree so you can feel good about yourself. I'm thinking this probably isn't going to happen so letting the thread die is most likely your best option rather than posting "have you actually read the thread" over and over to anybody that responds negatively. I've read the thread and I'm not impressed.
<< <i>Once again, WHY do people keep posting here without reading the thread?? Go back and read that I tried to start this thread out as purely hypothetical to try to avoid all of the skepticism and avoid people thinking I am posting here to sell the box. But that brought out nothing but smarta$$ comments. Go back and read that at that point, I admitted I have such a box.
So what you're saying here is that you lied about the box being hypothetical? I'm floored, really I am. Totally didn't see this coming. But seriously....
Ok, so after admitting you lied and rationalizing the fact that you lied because everybody here immediately saw through your cleverly devised veil of hypotheticality, you expect anybody to believe or care about anything you say about this box? From the getgo you've clearly been driving this thread to wherever you're trying to make it go, which is likely for someone to say "your box is worth $xxxx" and have everybody else agree so you can feel good about yourself. I'm thinking this probably isn't going to happen so letting the thread die is most likely your best option rather than posting "have you actually read the thread" over and over to anybody that responds negatively. I've read the thread and I'm not impressed. >>
You're forgetting the "I believe I discovered how to tell which 1990 Topps boxes are the error boxes and while I won't explain my theory I want everyone to know I have a theory and how smart that makes me and just take my word for it as an ironclad infallible guarantee on my sometimes hypothetical sale" aspect.
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<< <i>2 unicorns. final offer. >>
<< <i>You can talk any wax box down the way you are talking. Using your philosophy, a 1975 mini wax box should never sell for anything higher than about $300. If you want to talk "low end", a 1975 mini box with mostly OC cards(which is the norm with those boxes) and no Brett would leave the box ripper with nothing more than about $300 in single minis. Yet, there are buyers at $3000 for a mini box who are FULLY INTENT ON RIPPING IT. Just like the buyer would need to be for a 1990 error box. The low end you described (6 partial blackless errors and no Thomas) would leave a low end at about $1000. So again, which is the bigger gamble if your intent is to rip it? >>
A 75 mini wax box can be certified as authentic without ripping, your potential error box cannot. I think current 70s pricing has gone beyond what most rippers will pay (see various other threads discussing unopened), people are collecting it now to leave unopened for the rarity of having unopened product from that era. You're dealing with two different mentalities on unopened, ripping for profit/potential profit (these people have a much lower ceiling of what they'll pay) and unopened collector (factors in rarity of unopened product, higher ceiling, smaller niche). Your box eliminates the latter group. Based on responses to this thread, the ripper group prices this box from $150-1000, not the value you want to hear, but best of luck finding someone to pay what you think it's worth.
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
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<< <i>WOW...sure are a couple of real "richards" here...just because I ask people to maybe read the thread before commenting in the thread? And STDNuts, I am sure you would like for this thread to go away...it is clear that is the sole reason you "joined in" with 3 posts containing no substance or logic, but instead just your typical "richard" attitude. Don't know why you even bother to post with nothing to add. I guess that says a lot about you. >>
you have now subjugated Forum Rule #3, good job.
although your intention is genuine, you've proved that there is no proof until the hypothesis dies. you can't quantify value based on assumption, at least that's what i've been taught.
take it all in stride and enjoy the humor. i think you might be taking yourself a bit too seriously.
<< <i>Have you tried to contact BBCE about this? I really think that's the only way you could get a premium for a box like this. >>
Thought about it.....but I haven't contacted them. Not sure Steve would be interested....especially since I have just the one box. I guess it is possible he might be if I share with him what I know about how to identify a potential error box based on what you pull from opening a few packs. Having opened many error packs from two separate sources, there are 3 other things I found to be in common with several other cards on the orange sheet besides the 12 partial blackless cards and the No Name Thomas.
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If anyone is interested in the hypothetical possibility of owning a centered 1995 Bowman's Best B84 Orlando Miller Refractor graded PSA 9, I hypothetically may be able to put one in your collection.
Actually I would love for this thread to stay near the top for at least a month. I'm very much enjoying it.
it is clear that is the sole reason you "joined in" with 3 posts containing no substance or logic
Logic and substance I've contributed: I deduced 'logically' that you obviously had an agenda by starting this thread, which is to thump your chest about your great 'find' and your knowledge of 90 Topps blackless, drum up interest on the board, and inflate its value. Why else would somebody create a non-hypothetical hypothetical such as 'If something were to exist, what would it be worth'? Hell, you even admitted yourself that you lied about it being hypothetical, did you not? If you didn't have an agenda in starting this thread, what would be your reason to deceive in the initial post? Why not just say 'Hey guys, "I have this box that I think is a partial blackless box based on XYZ, what do you think it's worth?" Straightforward, to the point. You went in more underhanded direction- why? And after admitting you lied in the initial post, why would you expect anybody take you seriously about anything else you say about this box or your theories?
I also added comedy, which at the very least I thought was amusing. And that's all that matters really.
<< <i>And STDNuts, I am sure you would like for this thread to go away.
Actually I would love for this thread to stay near the top for at least a month. I'm very much enjoying it.
it is clear that is the sole reason you "joined in" with 3 posts containing no substance or logic
Logic and substance I've contributed: I deduced 'logically' that you obviously had an agenda by starting this thread, which is to thump your chest about your great 'find' and your knowledge of 90 Topps blackless, drum up interest on the board, and inflate its value. Why else would somebody create a non-hypothetical hypothetical such as 'If something were to exist, what would it be worth'? Hell, you even admitted yourself that you lied about it being hypothetical, did you not? If you didn't have an agenda in starting this thread, what would be your reason to deceive in the initial post? Why not just say 'Hey guys, "I have this box that I think is a partial blackless box based on XYZ, what do you think it's worth?" Straightforward, to the point. You went in more underhanded direction- why? And after admitting you lied in the initial post, why would you expect anybody take you seriously about anything else you say about this box or your theories?
I also added comedy, which at the very least I thought was amusing. And that's all that matters really. >>
Let's see, I have already been attacked because someone here believes I started this thread to try to sell it...even though I tried to keep it hypothetical
. And the early responses and tone forced me to change that. So now you are going to continue to accuse me of starting this thread with an agenda to inflate its value so I can sell it? What?
it is clear by your posts here and suggestion that I "let this thread die" that you are jealous as hell that someone owns such desirable unopened packs. This became very obvious and confirmed when I looked back to the thread from 2009 in which I announced I had a 1990 Topps error case and was posting about my pulls of the NNOF Thomas cards. Quote from CDsNuts: "why don't I ever step in it like that?"......and you continued to try talk me into opening the packs when I kept saying I am thinking about keeping the remaining packs unopened. And when I announced near the end that I had just opened the last of my error packs, quote from CDsNuts: "I am glad that is finally over".
You are the pathetic clown with an agenda here!
MY GOLD TYPE SET https://pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/complete-type-sets/gold-type-set-12-piece-circulation-strikes-1839-1933/publishedset/321940
You're talking to someone that busted over 35k in 60s-90s wax in a 3 year period- a dozen 91 Desert shield packs, 93 finest boxes, 78 rack case, 75 fb rack box, 1976-81 basketball boxes, 1/2 box of 86 fleer bk packs to name a handful. I honestly couldn't give 2 squirts about your 'desirable unopened packs'. And that's not even that much by this board's standards. If you think a potential $1-3k box has anybody here drooling you clearly aren't paying attention.
I just find it funny the way you go about things and felt the need to needle you a little; clearly it touched a nerve.
The level of skepticism that would surround such a transaction will prevent the box from selling above it's potential content value...this is one of those cases where the contents are worth more than the box.
<< <i>Really Joe, I think the coolest thing you can do with this box is record a box break, disclosing the information as to why you think the box contains errors and posting it on the net.
The level of skepticism that would surround such a transaction will prevent the box from selling above it's potential content value...this is one of those cases where the contents are worth more than the box. >>
Ross, that just might be what I eventually end up doing. I gave into opening that entire case back in 2009 because of the fact that I had been pulling both error and non-error cards from it. Because I am confident this box contains only error packs, I am going to wait a while on this one before deciding. I actually wish I had recorded some of my previous error pulls....but then again, just like with everything else around here, I probably would have been accused of resealing the errors into the packs and staging the entire rip.
<< <i>anyway...here is my latest packed-pulled NNOF Frank Thomas rookie...just arrived yesterday from PSA.
Sweet!!!
Love to see it...
Thanks...
Looking for 1970 MLB Photostamps
- uncut
Positive Transactions - tennesseebanker, Ahmanfan, Donruss, Colebear, CDsNuts, rbdjr1, Downtown1974, yankeeno7, drewsef, mnolan, mrbud60, msassin, RipublicaninMass, AkbarClone, rustywilly, lsutigers1973, julen23 and nam812, plus many others...
<< <i>You dont see it? It's two posts above yours. >>
sorry, should have been more clear...
the video of the pack pulled card raw...
thanks
Looking for 1970 MLB Photostamps
- uncut
Positive Transactions - tennesseebanker, Ahmanfan, Donruss, Colebear, CDsNuts, rbdjr1, Downtown1974, yankeeno7, drewsef, mnolan, mrbud60, msassin, RipublicaninMass, AkbarClone, rustywilly, lsutigers1973, julen23 and nam812, plus many others...
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<< <i>You dont see it? It's two posts above yours. >>
sorry, should have been more clear...
the video of the pack pulled card raw...
thanks >>
There is no video.