updated Bust Dime Emission Order
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I just made the plunge and bought Early United States Dimes 1796-1837 (1984) (on ebay).
I have owned the similar Federal Half Dimes 1792-1837 (1998) for many years, and found I enjoyed their approach to attribution, so I was curious about the earlier book.
It arrived on Friday and I had fun over the weekend looking up discoveries since 1984 on the web.
I tried to modify their Emission Order Chart to reflect the new discoveries,
The first draft is a small PDF on my web page [note: this will always be free]:
Bust_dime_Emission_order.pdf [link updated 2022]
I also updated a simple Excel workbook or checklist with all the JR varieties, dies, rarity, sources etc. It can be easily sorted in JR or Emission order. It contains the same info in table form.
dimes_JR.xls [link updated 2022]
Since I'm a Bust Dime rookie, I'd appreciate any comments or corrections.
Below is the text from the last page of the PDF, which describes the changes I made to the Emission Order.
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Emission Order Changes since the 1984 Dime Book
1. add 1796 JR-7 (obv. 6, rev. D.2 or D.3), discovered 2002
source: Ed Price Collection catalog
http://books.google.com/books?id=3IUkmA8zMGwC
2. move 1802 JR-3 above JR-2
terminating cud on the JR-2, discovered 2010/2011
source: Stone's post to this thread, below
3. add 1803 JR-5 (obv. 2 [2.1], rev. A [.G.3]), discovered 1993
source: Russ Logan Collecion lots 2006, 2007
http://rob.com/russ/collection/2007.html
http://rob.com/russ/collection/2006.html
4. move 1824 JR-2 above JR-1
source: Russ Logan Collecion lot 2052
http://rob.com/russ/collection/2052.html
5. add 1827 JR-14 (obv. 1 [1.2?], rev. B [c23.3?]), discovered 2010
source: Coin World article on both known specimens
http://www.coinworld.com/articles/researchers-verify-second-example-of-jr-14-18/
6. add 1832 JR-7 remarriage and 1833 JR-4 remarriage
source: Kirk Gorman, John Reich Journal, May 2008
7. move 1833 JR-3 above 1832 JR-7 to simplify diagram
8. add two 1833 JR-9 remarriages
source: Russ Logan Collecion lot 2133
http://rob.com/russ/collection/2133.html
Mike Sherrill, John Reich Journal, July 1998
9. move 1833 JR-8 above JR-7
This is a consequence of the JR-9 remarriages above,
since JR-9.1 occurs before JR-7, and JR-8 occurs before JR-9.
Changes not investigated yet
1. are there additional unpublished or published articles on remarriages or
emission sequence which I am not yet aware of?
Usage sequences still unknown?
1. 1796 JR-5 and JR-7, rev. D - which was first? (after JR-4)
Probably the only JR-7 is too low grade to answer this
2. 1827 JR-14 and JR-1, obv. 1 - which was first?
3. 1827 JR-14 and JR-2, rev. B [c23] - which was first? (after 2 previous uses)
Cosmetic changes
1. add column with reverse die ID which does not vary across years (semi-LM style)
Example: 1809 JR-1 is rev. die c1, 1837 JR-4 is rev. die c74
LM used A-Z and AA-MM, but that handles only 52 dies and does not sort easily.
c = "capped bust", "combined", or just the 3rd reverse design type
For small eagle and heraldic eagle reverses, I used .A .B etc. which is
closer to LM style but still distinguishable.
2. add usage numbers in spreadsheet for obverse and reverse dies (extends LM style)
Examples:
1809 JR-1 obv. 1, rev. c1.1
1811 JR-1 obv. 1, rev. c1.2
1814 JR-1 obv. 1, rev. c2
1814 JR-2 obv. 2.1, rev. c3
1814 JR-3 obv. 2.2, rev. c4.1
1814 JR-4 obv. 3.1, rev. c4.2
1814 JR-5 obv. 3.2, rev. c5.1
3. put remarriages in separate rows and add usage number (LM style)
Example: 1825 JR-1.1 and 1.2
4. add an obverse die usage for a remarriage (LM style)
Example:
1825 JR-1.1 is first usage of obv. 1 [1.1], first usage of rev. A [c70.1]
1825 JR-1.2 is second usage of obv. 1 [1.2], third usage of rev. A [c70.3]
5. spreadsheet uses color coding with R # for rarity
6. spreadsheet has columns for sorting by JR sequence or emission order sequence
[Edit:] Latest changes on 10/29/2013 - added 1832 JR-7 remarriage and 1833 JR-4 remarriage.
Thanks to Kirk Gorman for sending me a copy of his article with his research on these.
I have owned the similar Federal Half Dimes 1792-1837 (1998) for many years, and found I enjoyed their approach to attribution, so I was curious about the earlier book.
It arrived on Friday and I had fun over the weekend looking up discoveries since 1984 on the web.
I tried to modify their Emission Order Chart to reflect the new discoveries,
The first draft is a small PDF on my web page [note: this will always be free]:
Bust_dime_Emission_order.pdf [link updated 2022]
I also updated a simple Excel workbook or checklist with all the JR varieties, dies, rarity, sources etc. It can be easily sorted in JR or Emission order. It contains the same info in table form.
dimes_JR.xls [link updated 2022]
Since I'm a Bust Dime rookie, I'd appreciate any comments or corrections.
Below is the text from the last page of the PDF, which describes the changes I made to the Emission Order.
--------------
Emission Order Changes since the 1984 Dime Book
1. add 1796 JR-7 (obv. 6, rev. D.2 or D.3), discovered 2002
source: Ed Price Collection catalog
http://books.google.com/books?id=3IUkmA8zMGwC
2. move 1802 JR-3 above JR-2
terminating cud on the JR-2, discovered 2010/2011
source: Stone's post to this thread, below
3. add 1803 JR-5 (obv. 2 [2.1], rev. A [.G.3]), discovered 1993
source: Russ Logan Collecion lots 2006, 2007
http://rob.com/russ/collection/2007.html
http://rob.com/russ/collection/2006.html
4. move 1824 JR-2 above JR-1
source: Russ Logan Collecion lot 2052
http://rob.com/russ/collection/2052.html
5. add 1827 JR-14 (obv. 1 [1.2?], rev. B [c23.3?]), discovered 2010
source: Coin World article on both known specimens
http://www.coinworld.com/articles/researchers-verify-second-example-of-jr-14-18/
6. add 1832 JR-7 remarriage and 1833 JR-4 remarriage
source: Kirk Gorman, John Reich Journal, May 2008
7. move 1833 JR-3 above 1832 JR-7 to simplify diagram
8. add two 1833 JR-9 remarriages
source: Russ Logan Collecion lot 2133
http://rob.com/russ/collection/2133.html
Mike Sherrill, John Reich Journal, July 1998
9. move 1833 JR-8 above JR-7
This is a consequence of the JR-9 remarriages above,
since JR-9.1 occurs before JR-7, and JR-8 occurs before JR-9.
Changes not investigated yet
1. are there additional unpublished or published articles on remarriages or
emission sequence which I am not yet aware of?
Usage sequences still unknown?
1. 1796 JR-5 and JR-7, rev. D - which was first? (after JR-4)
Probably the only JR-7 is too low grade to answer this
2. 1827 JR-14 and JR-1, obv. 1 - which was first?
3. 1827 JR-14 and JR-2, rev. B [c23] - which was first? (after 2 previous uses)
Cosmetic changes
1. add column with reverse die ID which does not vary across years (semi-LM style)
Example: 1809 JR-1 is rev. die c1, 1837 JR-4 is rev. die c74
LM used A-Z and AA-MM, but that handles only 52 dies and does not sort easily.
c = "capped bust", "combined", or just the 3rd reverse design type
For small eagle and heraldic eagle reverses, I used .A .B etc. which is
closer to LM style but still distinguishable.
2. add usage numbers in spreadsheet for obverse and reverse dies (extends LM style)
Examples:
1809 JR-1 obv. 1, rev. c1.1
1811 JR-1 obv. 1, rev. c1.2
1814 JR-1 obv. 1, rev. c2
1814 JR-2 obv. 2.1, rev. c3
1814 JR-3 obv. 2.2, rev. c4.1
1814 JR-4 obv. 3.1, rev. c4.2
1814 JR-5 obv. 3.2, rev. c5.1
3. put remarriages in separate rows and add usage number (LM style)
Example: 1825 JR-1.1 and 1.2
4. add an obverse die usage for a remarriage (LM style)
Example:
1825 JR-1.1 is first usage of obv. 1 [1.1], first usage of rev. A [c70.1]
1825 JR-1.2 is second usage of obv. 1 [1.2], third usage of rev. A [c70.3]
5. spreadsheet uses color coding with R # for rarity
6. spreadsheet has columns for sorting by JR sequence or emission order sequence
[Edit:] Latest changes on 10/29/2013 - added 1832 JR-7 remarriage and 1833 JR-4 remarriage.
Thanks to Kirk Gorman for sending me a copy of his article with his research on these.
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Comments
There is at least one more Emission Order change from the Draped Bust Dime era.
I believe it is for an 1802 Dime. While this change has not been published, my
discovery in 2010/2011 of a previously unknown obverse Cud was discussed by
numerous Bust Dime experts who strongly believe that the emission order should
be flip-flopped.
The thing is, especially with the Draped Bust Dimes, much less so with the Capped
Bust Dimes, that sometimes there were not enough examples of each die marriage
in each die stage to gain a more accurate understanding of emission order, and
therefore sometime the authors used best-guess judgments when filling out the
sequence.
I will find the email correspondence I had regarding the 1802 dime and get back to you
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Edited to add: After reviewing my email correspondences it is now believed that the
1802 JR-3 was struck before the JR-2, or at the very least some JR-2's were struck
after the JR-3, due to the terminal die state of Obv. 1 having been found on a JR-2 die
marriage. Though, this could be a case of a re-marriage where the two different reverses
were interchanged at some point...which would certainly not be unheard of, although it
does seem to be a scarce occurrence for the Bust Dimes.
I need to get a copy of the Kirk Gorman article in the May 2008 John Reich Journal to track down that remarriage issue in the list, too.
Thanks to ricko and Realone for your appreciation, too.
Enjoyed numismatic conversations with Eric P. Newman, Dave Akers, Jules Reiver, David Davis, Russ Logan, John McCloskey, Kirk Gorman, W. David Perkins...
There are at least two more remarriage in the cbd series.
122/123
John Reich Collectors Society
Capped Bust Dimes
<< <i>There are at least two more remarriage in the cbd series. >>
Thanks.
Kirk Gorman kindly sent me a copy of his article on the 1832 JR-7 remarriage and the 1833 JR-4 remarriage.
I believe these were the two remarriages which JustBustDimes referred to.
I have updated the Emission Order (PDF and XLS files linked in the first post above) to include these 2 remarriages.
Plus, I always enjoy reading about the 1827 JR-14!
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Completely cool Yos, watch out you might rekindle my interest in bust dime varieties....... Now go work on the bust quarters for me and see if you pick up any needed corrections.
Best, SH
Great work @yosclimber and @STONE I truly love the work you have provided. It is amazing how many will benefit from your efforts. Not a Bust Dime addict but understand the importance of such work.
Jim
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Thanks for your kind words in this resurrected thread!
Since my Stanford web page disappeared a few years ago,
I have put the PDF and XLS file on my google site just now, and updated the links.
In between 2013 and now, in 2015 a new bust dime variety book was published.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/947496/new-book-bust-dime-variety-identification-guide
It might contain the updated emission order.
Possibly the other big news was that in 2016 a second example of the 1796 JR-7 was discovered.
https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/5113/rare-1796-dime/