I guess we're about to test that 4K price mark, LOL!
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<< <i>Here's the test to see if market has hit $4K. I put my money on them not selling at that level. >>
I would second that assessment. Though there may be a speculator out there not paying attention to price.
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<< <i>Here's the test to see if market has hit $4K. I put my money on them not selling at that level. >>
Maybe $3200 might fly but I doubt they'll go at 4k. However, I've been wrong before.
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<< <i>The seller bought these in the last month and is just trying to do an immediate flip at a nice profit >>
The BBCE box, yes, but the lot of 9 are from REA a few years back according to the listing.
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<< <i>Snuffy is gunna put in a good word with the fat man for you Tim!
>>
I will be good, I promise!! LOL!!
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That seller made a nice investment a few years ago (assuming it is the original buyer in 2009). He is into his boxes at about $1,100. A much better return than the market over the same period.
Perhaps if a single box waas offered in an auction format we could see what the market really is, but to do it as a dutch auction I dont expect we'll see much action here.
The current market is being driven by perceived/actual scarcity. Where is the scarcity when 9 boxes of exactly the same thing are suddenly offered this way?
<< <i>Where is the scarcity when 9 boxes of exactly the same thing are suddenly offered this way? >>
That is true, but these 9 boxes, like the boxes Bob Beck sold Steve, are all from the same source--the Conlon collection that was auctioned off by REA several years back. Besides these boxes, you'd be hard pressed to find any others in quantity. When the REA mini wax cases sold back then, I was buying wax boxes for $800-$1000 per, but after all those were sold, the prices began to creep skyward once the reality set in that that was really all there was, in quantity, at least, and from an iron clad source, too.
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Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Does anyone have any information on where the market is on the regular issued 1975 Topps Cello boxes and what they're selling for? >>
Prices have risen on those, too. I'd estimate current retail value at about $3,200. About a year ago, it was $2,500.
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<< <i>I predict the BBCE one will sell as it is unsearched. Not so much for the Conlon ones which could easily have had the best packs cherry picked and replaced.
This is certainly an exciting find, but I question how many 10s one will really get out of cellos.
I'm sure plenty have already contacted the seller trying work offbay deals so it will be interesting to see who, if anyone, had luck. >>
I would not assume that the box Steve sold was completely original, though, as Bob did submit for grading at PSA a number of packs with stars on top from the boxes he bought.
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<< <i>Did someone say apocalypse? Zombies need mini cellos too!
>>
Snuffy,
I enjoy seeing your creations. Keep 'em coming
Mike >>
Don't get any blood on the Frank Robinson pack, of all packs, LOL!
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<< <i>I predict the BBCE one will sell as it is unsearched. Not so much for the Conlon ones which could easily have had the best packs cherry picked and replaced.
This is certainly an exciting find, but I question how many 10s one will really get out of cellos.
I'm sure plenty have already contacted the seller trying work offbay deals so it will be interesting to see who, if anyone, had luck. >>
I would not assume that the box Steve sold was completely original, though, as Bob did submit for grading at PSA a number of packs with stars on top from the boxes he bought. >>
It's the best option you'll get aside from a case or a BBCE straight from a case box.
Point being, IMO BBCE one goes first. Others for less and later with CU members trying to work offbay deals. How's your attempt going Tim? LOL! >>
Too rich for me at these prices. I bought mine quite a while back.
Actually, the loose ones do appear to be intact and from the original case, judging by the collation of star packs in the boxes.
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<< <i>Does anyone have any information on where the market is on the regular issued 1975 Topps Cello boxes and what they're selling for? >>
Prices have risen on those, too. I'd estimate current retail value at about $3,200. About a year ago, it was $2,500. >>
So unopened minis are now going for more or at lease close to what the regulars are going for....yet we know the singles are still much higher in the regular issue despite the fact that the minis are much scarcer?
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<< <i>Does anyone have any information on where the market is on the regular issued 1975 Topps Cello boxes and what they're selling for? >>
Prices have risen on those, too. I'd estimate current retail value at about $3,200. About a year ago, it was $2,500. >>
So unopened minis are now going for more or at lease close to what the regulars are going for....yet we know the singles are still much higher in the regular issue despite the fact that the minis are much scarcer? >>
It really depends on what you're looking at with those comparisons. Mini wax goes for for considerably less than regular 75 wax boxes, but mini cellos are usually sold at a higher premium because they are scarcer. When REA auctioned off the Conlon collection, there were about 18 mini wax cases compared to only about 3+ mini cello cases. As far as singles go, a PSA 9 mini Brett RC will command a premium over a PSA 9 regular size Brett card, and low pop mini commons in PSA 9 and 10 grades draw extremely strong prices, though there are certainly plenty of examples of regular 75s commanding strong prices, too. Both sets have their quirks and idiosyncracies.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Does anyone have any information on where the market is on the regular issued 1975 Topps Cello boxes and what they're selling for? >>
Prices have risen on those, too. I'd estimate current retail value at about $3,200. About a year ago, it was $2,500. >>
So unopened minis are now going for more or at lease close to what the regulars are going for....yet we know the singles are still much higher in the regular issue despite the fact that the minis are much scarcer? >>
The market for regular 1975s has not stood still during the past 18 months. The last wax box that BBCE broke last year was sold at $125/pack (that's $4500/box versus around $3000 18 months ago). For comparison 1975 mini wax recently hit a sales high of about $2200 (versus $1215 about 18 months ago).
As for cellos, other than the 2012 summer auction regular 1975 BB cello boxes have been reaching in the $3000/box range through Collect Auctions going back to April 2012:
April 11, 2013: Sports & Americana Auction 20 1975 Topps Baseball Cello Box (24) $600.00 $2,991.66 OVER Nov. 29, 2012: Sports & Americana Auction 22 1975 Topps Baseball Cello Box (24) $600.00 $3,236.22 OVER August 9, 2012: Sports & Americana Auction 89 1975 Topps Baseball Cello Box $300.00 $2,386.80 OVER April 12, 2012: Sports & Americana Auction 56 1975 Topps Baseball Cello Box $300.00 $2,888.73 OVER
That's up about 30% from an average of around $2200 from the year prior:
December 1, 2011: Sports & Americana Auction 74 1975 Topps Baseball Cello Box (24) $400.00 $1,971.45 OVER August 11, 2011: Sports & Americana Auction 90 1975 Topps Baseball Cello Box $600.00 $2,208.96 OVER April 7, 2011: Sports & Americana Auction 100 1975 Topps Baseball Unopened Cello Box (24) $400.00 $2,386.80 OVER
The recent BBCE sale of a 1975 mini cello box at $3000 is likely to drive the 1975 regular boxes somewhat higher, as they always seem to have commanded a premium over the minis. It would not surprise me to see the 1975 regular cellos move up another 20%-30% between now and the end of the year (unless a decent volume of supply suddenly appears).
Definitely noticed the "tenth" box was the one bought recently from BBCE (from the cellophane wrapping) in the last few weeks in hopes to catch a quick grand. Not a bad idea, but its putting out $3k that is difficult.
I think oftentimes these postings are of the "I don't really want to sell but can be compelled at a high enough price" variety. It's free to list, so there is no downside except potential seller's regret down the road. With eBay fees now a flat 10%, the sale of that box (I believe) jumped up an additional $250 or more in fees that need to be built into any sale. So while it looks like the seller is trying to clear a quick $1,000, he/she is really only trying to clear $500 at $3900.
That was the market price 18 months ago. 70s unopened has moved up between 70%-150% since then and the demand is still WAY higher than the supply.
In December 2011 BBCE was selling 1975 Mini Wax Boxes at $1215 ($1350 less 10% discount). The most recent one sold by BBCE went for $2300 a few weeks ago!
In late 2011 BBCE was selling 1973 Series 5 (Schmidt RC series) Wax Boxes at about $4400. They have been selling around $7200 on Collect Auctions for about a year now and the box in REA in May went for about $9600 with BP.
We can't escape the fundamentals of supply and demand.
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<< <i>Here's the test to see if market has hit $4K. I put my money on them not selling at that level. >>
I would second that assessment. Though there may be a speculator out there not paying attention to price.
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<< <i>Here's the test to see if market has hit $4K. I put my money on them not selling at that level. >>
Maybe $3200 might fly but I doubt they'll go at 4k. However, I've been wrong before.
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<< <i>The seller bought these in the last month and is just trying to do an immediate flip at a nice profit >>
The BBCE box, yes, but the lot of 9 are from REA a few years back according to the listing.
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<< <i>Snuffy is gunna put in a good word with the fat man for you Tim!
I will be good, I promise!! LOL!!
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I dont expect we'll see much action here.
The current market is being driven by perceived/actual scarcity. Where is the scarcity when 9 boxes of exactly the same thing
are suddenly offered this way?
Dave
<< <i>Where is the scarcity when 9 boxes of exactly the same thing
are suddenly offered this way? >>
That is true, but these 9 boxes, like the boxes Bob Beck sold Steve, are all from the same source--the Conlon collection that was auctioned off by REA several years back. Besides these boxes, you'd be hard pressed to find any others in quantity. When the REA mini wax cases sold back then, I was buying wax boxes for $800-$1000 per, but after all those were sold, the prices began to creep skyward once the reality set in that that was really all there was, in quantity, at least, and from an iron clad source, too.
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<< <i>Does anyone have any information on where the market is on the regular issued 1975 Topps Cello boxes and what they're selling for? >>
Prices have risen on those, too. I'd estimate current retail value at about $3,200. About a year ago, it was $2,500.
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<< <i>I have 5 boxes that I'm into for 1800 each on average so I hope these douchebags sell theirs & reset the market >>
Just curious why would you call them douchebags?
Are they difficult to deal with?
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But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
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<< <i>I predict the BBCE one will sell as it is unsearched. Not so much for the Conlon ones which could easily have had the best packs cherry picked and replaced.
This is certainly an exciting find, but I question how many 10s one will really get out of cellos.
I'm sure plenty have already contacted the seller trying work offbay deals so it will be interesting to see who, if anyone, had luck. >>
I would not assume that the box Steve sold was completely original, though, as Bob did submit for grading at PSA a number of packs with stars on top from the boxes he bought.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Did someone say apocalypse? Zombies need mini cellos too!
Snuffy,
I enjoy seeing your creations. Keep 'em coming
Mike
<< <i>
<< <i>Did someone say apocalypse? Zombies need mini cellos too!
Snuffy,
I enjoy seeing your creations. Keep 'em coming
Mike >>
Don't get any blood on the Frank Robinson pack, of all packs, LOL!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>I predict the BBCE one will sell as it is unsearched. Not so much for the Conlon ones which could easily have had the best packs cherry picked and replaced.
This is certainly an exciting find, but I question how many 10s one will really get out of cellos.
I'm sure plenty have already contacted the seller trying work offbay deals so it will be interesting to see who, if anyone, had luck. >>
I would not assume that the box Steve sold was completely original, though, as Bob did submit for grading at PSA a number of packs with stars on top from the boxes he bought. >>
It's the best option you'll get aside from a case or a BBCE straight from a case box.
Point being, IMO BBCE one goes first. Others for less and later with CU members trying to work offbay deals. How's your attempt going Tim? LOL!
Too rich for me at these prices. I bought mine quite a while back.
Actually, the loose ones do appear to be intact and from the original case, judging by the collation of star packs in the boxes.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>Does anyone have any information on where the market is on the regular issued 1975 Topps Cello boxes and what they're selling for? >>
Prices have risen on those, too. I'd estimate current retail value at about $3,200. About a year ago, it was $2,500. >>
So unopened minis are now going for more or at lease close to what the regulars are going for....yet we know the singles are still much higher in the regular issue despite the fact that the minis are much scarcer?
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<< <i>Does anyone have any information on where the market is on the regular issued 1975 Topps Cello boxes and what they're selling for? >>
Prices have risen on those, too. I'd estimate current retail value at about $3,200. About a year ago, it was $2,500. >>
So unopened minis are now going for more or at lease close to what the regulars are going for....yet we know the singles are still much higher in the regular issue despite the fact that the minis are much scarcer? >>
It really depends on what you're looking at with those comparisons. Mini wax goes for for considerably less than regular 75 wax boxes, but mini cellos are usually sold at a higher premium because they are scarcer. When REA auctioned off the Conlon collection, there were about 18 mini wax cases compared to only about 3+ mini cello cases. As far as singles go, a PSA 9 mini Brett RC will command a premium over a PSA 9 regular size Brett card, and low pop mini commons in PSA 9 and 10 grades draw extremely strong prices, though there are certainly plenty of examples of regular 75s commanding strong prices, too. Both sets have their quirks and idiosyncracies.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>Does anyone have any information on where the market is on the regular issued 1975 Topps Cello boxes and what they're selling for? >>
Prices have risen on those, too. I'd estimate current retail value at about $3,200. About a year ago, it was $2,500. >>
So unopened minis are now going for more or at lease close to what the regulars are going for....yet we know the singles are still much higher in the regular issue despite the fact that the minis are much scarcer? >>
The market for regular 1975s has not stood still during the past 18 months. The last wax box that BBCE broke last year was sold at $125/pack (that's $4500/box
versus around $3000 18 months ago). For comparison 1975 mini wax recently hit a sales high of about $2200 (versus $1215 about 18 months ago).
As for cellos, other than the 2012 summer auction regular 1975 BB cello boxes have been reaching in the $3000/box range through Collect Auctions going back to April 2012:
April 11, 2013: Sports & Americana Auction 20 1975 Topps Baseball Cello Box (24) $600.00 $2,991.66 OVER
Nov. 29, 2012: Sports & Americana Auction 22 1975 Topps Baseball Cello Box (24) $600.00 $3,236.22 OVER
August 9, 2012: Sports & Americana Auction 89 1975 Topps Baseball Cello Box $300.00 $2,386.80 OVER
April 12, 2012: Sports & Americana Auction 56 1975 Topps Baseball Cello Box $300.00 $2,888.73 OVER
That's up about 30% from an average of around $2200 from the year prior:
December 1, 2011: Sports & Americana Auction 74 1975 Topps Baseball Cello Box (24) $400.00 $1,971.45 OVER
August 11, 2011: Sports & Americana Auction 90 1975 Topps Baseball Cello Box $600.00 $2,208.96 OVER
April 7, 2011: Sports & Americana Auction 100 1975 Topps Baseball Unopened Cello Box (24) $400.00 $2,386.80 OVER
The recent BBCE sale of a 1975 mini cello box at $3000 is likely to drive the 1975 regular boxes somewhat higher, as they always seem to
have commanded a premium over the minis. It would not surprise me to see the 1975 regular cellos move up another 20%-30% between
now and the end of the year (unless a decent volume of supply suddenly appears).
Dave
<< <i>9 boxes for sales
Make that a 10th Box Available! >>
Definitely noticed the "tenth" box was the one bought recently from BBCE (from the cellophane wrapping) in the last few weeks in hopes to catch a quick grand. Not a bad idea, but its putting out $3k that is difficult.
boy someone got a great deal on this box
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<< <i>December 1, 2011: Sports & Americana Auction 74 1975 Topps Baseball Cello Box (24) $400.00 $1,971.45
boy someone got a great deal on this box
That was the market price 18 months ago. 70s unopened has moved up between 70%-150% since then and
the demand is still WAY higher than the supply.
In December 2011 BBCE was selling 1975 Mini Wax Boxes at $1215 ($1350 less 10% discount). The most recent one
sold by BBCE went for $2300 a few weeks ago!
In late 2011 BBCE was selling 1973 Series 5 (Schmidt RC series) Wax Boxes at about $4400. They have been selling
around $7200 on Collect Auctions for about a year now and the box in REA in May went for about $9600 with BP.
We can't escape the fundamentals of supply and demand.
Dave