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ARod and Braun to be suspended...

...by MLB for their PED involvement with the Miami clinic. Others will also be suspended.
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  • robert67robert67 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭✭
  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭
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    100 game suspensions for A-Rod and Braun.
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  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    Stories will be coming out soon enough... Anthony Bosch's Miami based Biogenesis of America records will be the impetus.
  • robert67robert67 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭✭
  • Thank goodness I never invested serious $$$ on these people, I feel sorry for anyone who currently owns any PSA 10 rookies!!
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think players attorneys will have good chance challenging this two strikes in one shot suspension ruling. And doesn't a player have to at least test positive first? This whole thing has become similar to a witch hunt which is ironic as Bud &I Co repeatedly turned a blind eye to PEDs in baseball when doing so suited their needs.


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  • Just thinking to myself hopefully no Pujols on that list!
  • please no Pujols, he's the saving grace with all this so far.
  • A good lesson for any professional athlete: The drug testing programs don't work very well
  • TNP777TNP777 Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭


    << <i>please no Pujols, he's the saving grace with all this so far. >>

    heh - if that were ever to come out, I could easily imagine a former board member do a split-second reversal from deep nasal inhalation to projectile vomiting into their unofficial GU athletic supporter.
  • thenavarrothenavarro Posts: 7,497 ✭✭✭
    Bosch sounds like a grade A loser to me. Wouldn't be surprised if he turns up "missing" if he betrays that many people with serious money.

    I've been preparing Maven for awhile now that Nellie might be suspended, LOL. I think she's prepared for it. Too bad he couldn't have been suspended for the 9th inning of Game 6 against the Cardinals in the World Series
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  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    I think MLB's CBA allows for suspensions WITHOUT a positive test results due to language amounting to "all players are prohibited from using, possessing, selling, facilitating the sale of, distributing, or facilitating the distribution of any Drug of Abuse and/or Steroid."
  • vols1vols1 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭
    A-Rod might as well retire. Apparently his whole career was built on steroids.


  • << <i>A-Rod might as well retire. Apparently his whole career was built on steroids. >>



    pleasepleaseplease PLEASE retire A-Rod!!
  • ThoseBackPagesThoseBackPages Posts: 4,871 ✭✭
    why would he? lol
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  • I knew N. Cruz was juiced when the Rangers beat the Tigers in the ALCS a few years back! That guy was raining HRs no matter where the pitch was, pathetic. BTW I am sure Melky is not the only juiced player on the Giants - what a stain on the game.
    Arod is sitting on 1/2 of a 10 year 275 million dollar contract, if I were the Yankees I would be contacting the best lawyers in the world to sue his lame arse.
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  • << <i>if I were the Yankees I would be contacting the best lawyers in the world to sue his lame arse. >>



    I agree! However, no steroid using players would EVER sign with the Yankees again. Where would that leave them.

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    << <i>I knew N. Cruz was juiced when the Rangers beat the Tigers in the ALCS a few years back! That guy was raining HRs no matter where the pitch was, pathetic.. >>



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    << <i>I knew N. Cruz was juiced when the Rangers beat the Tigers in the ALCS a few years back! That guy was raining HRs no matter where the pitch was, pathetic.. >>



    Did you also know that Richard Jewell was the Atlanta Olympics bomber?

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    Lol come'on! N.Cruz going from an average hitter to suddenly hitting bombs like Ruth and Mays? You weren't suspicious at all? Melky hitting like Williams?
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    << <i>I knew N. Cruz was juiced when the Rangers beat the Tigers in the ALCS a few years back! That guy was raining HRs no matter where the pitch was, pathetic.. >>



    Did you also know that Richard Jewell was the Atlanta Olympics bomber?

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    Lol come'on! N.Cruz going from an average hitter to suddenly hitting bombs like Ruth and Mays? You weren't suspicious at all? Melky hitting like Williams? >>



    LOL. Just bustin your chops. I've been telling my daughter for over a couple of months now to come to the realization that he would probably be eventually suspended cause in baseball now it's not a courtroom where they need evidence anyway, it's gonna be based off the words and records of someone trying to get the dogs called off himself. We all know that must be a reliable witness image
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    << <i>I knew N. Cruz was juiced when the Rangers beat the Tigers in the ALCS a few years back! That guy was raining HRs no matter where the pitch was, pathetic.. >>



    Did you also know that Richard Jewell was the Atlanta Olympics bomber?

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    Lol come'on! N.Cruz going from an average hitter to suddenly hitting bombs like Ruth and Mays? You weren't suspicious at all? Melky hitting like Williams? >>



    LOL. Just bustin your chops. I've been telling my daughter for over a couple of months now to come to the realization that he would probably be eventually suspended cause in baseball now it's not a courtroom where they need evidence anyway, it's gonna be based off the words and records of someone trying to get the dogs called off himself. We all know that must be a reliable witness image >>



    I hear ya image, I'm just a sore loser Tigers fan... btw where is popcorn girl?
    I feel for all those still holding Aroid rookies. If Miggy's name is ever attached to this I am done with baseball, I agree with those of you barking at Selig, what a POS that guy is.
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  • thenavarrothenavarro Posts: 7,497 ✭✭✭


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    I hear ya image, I'm just a sore loser Tigers fan... btw where is popcorn girl?
    I feel for all those still holding Aroid rookies. If Miggy's name is ever attached to this I am done with baseball, I agree with those of you barking at Selig, what a POS that guy is. >>



    I hear ya too, admittedly I'm just a biased daddy to a little girl that likes Nellie. I'm not too concerned as far as the Rangers go. They have a plug and play team for the most part. If Nellie's gone I think they'll just shift Kinsler to the outfield and put Profar in Ian's spot at 2nd. I still think they'll easily make the playoffs and at least if MLB would hurry up and levee a suspension, Nelson would be back for the playoffs
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  • hyperchipper09hyperchipper09 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    I hear ya image, I'm just a sore loser Tigers fan... btw where is popcorn girl?
    I feel for all those still holding Aroid rookies. If Miggy's name is ever attached to this I am done with baseball, I agree with those of you barking at Selig, what a POS that guy is. >>



    I hear ya too, admittedly I'm just a biased daddy to a little girl that likes Nellie. I'm not too concerned as far as the Rangers go. They have a plug and play team for the most part. If Nellie's gone I think they'll just shift Kinsler to the outfield and put Profar in Ian's spot at 2nd. I still think they'll easily make the playoffs and at least if MLB would hurry up and levee a suspension, Nelson would be back for the playoffs >>




    I do feel for the kid here. Mostly because of what she'll hear from others. School kids can be, cruel, in their picking. Not to mention geniuses on TV. And when you're a REAL fan of a player regardless of age, you can't turn that off. As an adult, our arguments about guys like Bonds, Palmeiro, McGwire get hurtful, spiteful and downright mean. I suppose if steroids had been an issue when I was growing up, and say my fave Lance Parrish were implicated and someone had said something off hand to me I'd have earned every minute of a solid 1 week suspension.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have a feeling that if every player in baseball that ever used PEDs were to be banned, we'd be left watching single A ball, LOL..


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  • addicted2ebayaddicted2ebay Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>please no Pujols, he's the saving grace with all this so far. >>



    1/16/80 birth date I find hard to believe. Just saying.


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    << <i>please no Pujols, he's the saving grace with all this so far. >>



    1/16/80 birth date I find hard to believe. Just saying. >>



    Might as well at least toss in a card or two

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  • hyperchipper09hyperchipper09 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll give Albert a pass on the age. If he fudged, nothing I haven't done myself in the dating world. image
  • swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭
    Albert who?



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  • GB5HOFGB5HOF Posts: 590
    I soooo hope Pujols is part of all of this. It's just God's plan. Right Albert? Dude makes me sick.
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    According to ESPN, the following players might face suspension: Ryan Braun, Everth Cabrera, Melky Cabrera, Francisco Cervelli, Bartolo Colon, Nelson Cruz, Fautino de los Santos, Gio Gonzalez, Yasmani Grandal, Fernando Martinez, Jesus Montero, Jordan Norberto, Jhonny Peralta, Cesar Puello and Alex Rodriguez. Sources told ESPN that Gio Gonzalez received only legal substances. ESPN also notes that Cesar Puello is a minor leaguer and not a member of the MLB Players Association.
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  • MinorLeaguerMinorLeaguer Posts: 513 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I think players attorneys will have good chance challenging this two strikes in one shot suspension ruling. And doesn't a player have to at least test positive first? This whole thing has become similar to a witch hunt which is ironic as Bud &I Co repeatedly turned a blind eye to PEDs in baseball when doing so suited their needs. >>



    I never understood why Selig wasn't ousted in the original PED scandal as it all unfolded on his watch. I remember him all smiles and smug basking in the glory during Sosa vs. McGwire. Would a CEO be able to continue if a scandal of that proportion happened on his watch?? Selig was guilty of one thing to me. Regardless if due to turning a blind eye, ignorance, stupidity or greed: He didn't protect the integrity of the game. And that alone should have been his ticket to Sayonara.
  • hyperchipper09hyperchipper09 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>I think players attorneys will have good chance challenging this two strikes in one shot suspension ruling. And doesn't a player have to at least test positive first? This whole thing has become similar to a witch hunt which is ironic as Bud &I Co repeatedly turned a blind eye to PEDs in baseball when doing so suited their needs. >>



    I never understood why Selig wasn't ousted in the original PED scandal as it all unfolded on his watch. I remember him all smiles and smug basking in the glory during Sosa vs. McGwire. Would a CEO be able to continue if a scandal of that proportion happened on his watch?? Selig was guilty of one thing to me. Regardless if due to turning a blind eye, ignorance, stupidity or greed: He didn't protect the integrity of the game. And that alone should have been his ticket to Sayonara. >>




    95% of baseball fans were all smiles in 1998. Heck I wasn't even a big fan of McGwire or Sosa but I enjoyed that year. The genie was out of the bottle for good. Bud should have been canned, no question. Selig was clueless. He wasn't 100% at fault however. And every single baseball fan at one point or another has been an enabler to the "steroid era".
  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>I soooo hope Pujols is part of all of this. It's just God's plan. Right Albert? Dude makes me sick. >>



    So you're practicing what you're going to say if Pujols gets busted?
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    << <i>I think players attorneys will have good chance challenging this two strikes in one shot suspension ruling. And doesn't a player have to at least test positive first? This whole thing has become similar to a witch hunt which is ironic as Bud &I Co repeatedly turned a blind eye to PEDs in baseball when doing so suited their needs. >>



    I never understood why Selig wasn't ousted in the original PED scandal as it all unfolded on his watch. I remember him all smiles and smug basking in the glory during Sosa vs. McGwire. Would a CEO be able to continue if a scandal of that proportion happened on his watch?? Selig was guilty of one thing to me. Regardless if due to turning a blind eye, ignorance, stupidity or greed: He didn't protect the integrity of the game. And that alone should have been his ticket to Sayonara. >>




    95% of baseball fans were all smiles in 1998. Heck I wasn't even a big fan of McGwire or Sosa but I enjoyed that year. The genie was out of the bottle for good. Bud should have been canned, no question. Selig was clueless. He wasn't 100% at fault however. And every single baseball fan at one point or another has been an enabler to the "steroid era". >>



    Well said but should include the media as well.

    I'm not a fan of Selig, like at all, but when the system is set up as a legal monopoly, it just is what it is. The MLBPA can take issues to mediation when it involves players but as a check and balances for the fans, we can only voice our displeasure with our wallets.
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  • hyperchipper09hyperchipper09 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>I think players attorneys will have good chance challenging this two strikes in one shot suspension ruling. And doesn't a player have to at least test positive first? This whole thing has become similar to a witch hunt which is ironic as Bud &I Co repeatedly turned a blind eye to PEDs in baseball when doing so suited their needs. >>



    I never understood why Selig wasn't ousted in the original PED scandal as it all unfolded on his watch. I remember him all smiles and smug basking in the glory during Sosa vs. McGwire. Would a CEO be able to continue if a scandal of that proportion happened on his watch?? Selig was guilty of one thing to me. Regardless if due to turning a blind eye, ignorance, stupidity or greed: He didn't protect the integrity of the game. And that alone should have been his ticket to Sayonara. >>




    95% of baseball fans were all smiles in 1998. Heck I wasn't even a big fan of McGwire or Sosa but I enjoyed that year. The genie was out of the bottle for good. Bud should have been canned, no question. Selig was clueless. He wasn't 100% at fault however. And every single baseball fan at one point or another has been an enabler to the "steroid era". >>



    Well said but should include the media as well.

    I'm not a fan of Selig, like at all, but when the system is set up as a legal monopoly, it just is what it is. The MLBPA can take issues to mediation when it involves players but as a check and balances for the fans, we can only voice our displeasure with our wallets. >>




    Absolutely correct. Oversight in leaving off the media. image. Hopefully the players that used, and have been called out/busted the last 6, 7 years are using their money wisely. Because it's all they've got. They lost fans, integrity. Records that were broken that most now know are tainted. It's not sad, it's not tragic. It's more of a greed complex these guys have IMO.
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    Jose Canseco, thanks!

    Oh, and while Braun was using banned substances, Matt Kemp was giving the shoes off his feet to the disabled.
  • Nathaniel1960Nathaniel1960 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You wonder if the marketplace for AROD RC's has already taken his assumed PED use into account for current pricing. If so, I am not sure you will see a sharp drop in prices if there is a long term suspension, but rather a steady decline over time.

    On a related note, I am bullish on Sammy Sosa RC's. I think in the long run fans will remember him more fondly, particularly with regards to the '99 HR chase. You can pick up Donruss, Fleer, Topps, Score, Upper Deck Sosa RC's in bargain bins for 25 cents or less. I picked up about 100 various RC's, including the Topps Debut 89, for 10 cents each at a show last year. At prices that low, a steady increase over time might yield some nice returns.
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  • GB5HOFGB5HOF Posts: 590


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    << <i>I soooo hope Pujols is part of all of this. It's just God's plan. Right Albert? Dude makes me sick. >>



    So you're practicing what you're going to say if Pujols gets busted? >>



    Yes?
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  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i><< I soooo hope Pujols is part of all of this. It's just God's plan. Right Albert? Dude makes me sick. >>
    So you're practicing what you're going to say if Pujols gets busted? >>

    Yes? >>



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  • calaban7calaban7 Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>please no Pujols, he's the saving grace with all this so far. >>

    heh - if that were ever to come out, I could easily imagine a former board member do a split-second reversal from deep nasal inhalation to projectile vomiting into their unofficial GU athletic supporter. >>



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    The UN-natural man-love for the muscle men of sports , tends to say alot about one's leanings .----- Sonny >>



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  • << <i>You wonder if the marketplace for AROD RC's has already taken his assumed PED use into account for current pricing. If so, I am not sure you will see a sharp drop in prices if there is a long term suspension, but rather a steady decline over time.

    On a related note, I am bullish on Sammy Sosa RC's. I think in the long run fans will remember him more fondly, particularly with regards to the '99 HR chase. You can pick up Donruss, Fleer, Topps, Score, Upper Deck Sosa RC's in bargain bins for 25 cents or less. I picked up about 100 various RC's, including the Topps Debut 89, for 10 cents each at a show last year. At prices that low, a steady increase over time might yield some nice returns. >>



    Sosa? Who are you going to sell to? He was one of my favorites, I got burned badly and lost 1000s, I'd rather eat crap than ever accumulate that PED taking bat-corking cheater's cards. Just the sight of him in my mind in front of congress with the "deer in the headlight" look and acting like he didn't speak or understand a word of English makes me sick, Sorry.
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  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,931 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is anyone really shocked by this ARoid/Braun revelation? Really?

    As to Pujols... I saw both him and Yadi here in minor league ball. Molina pretty much looks the same IMO, but Albert's definitely been using something... Now, with all the hubbub he might have stopped, which might account for his good but not great numbers with the Halos... but (even as a Card fan who actually liked him when he was there)... it's pretty unlikely he's clean.

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  • mcadamsmcadams Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭
    I just read over the list of the 20 players that apparently used this clinic for steriods.

    19 of the 20 players are Latino. Anyone else notice this or find that strange?
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  • << <i>I just read over the list of the 20 players that apparently used this clinic for steriods.

    19 of the 20 players are Latino. Anyone else notice this or find that strange? >>



    Think it has anything to do with the clinic being in Miami?
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I just read over the list of the 20 players that apparently used this clinic for steriods.

    19 of the 20 players are Latino. Anyone else notice this or find that strange? >>



    Nope... These things will tend to be communal and friends will tell friends.
  • mcadamsmcadams Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>I just read over the list of the 20 players that apparently used this clinic for steriods.

    19 of the 20 players are Latino. Anyone else notice this or find that strange? >>



    Think it has anything to do with the clinic being in Miami? >>



    Not sure. What do you think?
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  • << <i>I just read over the list of the 20 players that apparently used this clinic for steriods.

    19 of the 20 players are Latino. Anyone else notice this or find that strange? >>



    Does this mean that Braun is the only non-latino in that group?

    BTW I am disappointed in Peralta if he is indeed guilty and that probably explains more of his incredulous .333 batting average this year and continues to reveal the tremendous advantage these drugs give to players in this particular sport. In some ways, a baseball season is more like the tour de France than it is Football. Day to day endurance is a critical advantage Peralta on PED would be akin to the advantage Lance Armstrong had...all sickening to true fans - hope the Tigers dump that POS
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  • BunchOBullBunchOBull Posts: 6,188 ✭✭✭
    I think the trend amongst latino players has more to do with their poverty-stricken backgrounds. These guys aren't entering baseball with dreams of being the next Hank Aaron or major record holder, they're entering the league in hope of scoring a really large contract and being "set for life" in 5 or 10 years.
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