1985 Topps Walter Payton PSA 10

mygotta

Ok. What am I missing on this card and how did it get a 10? That bottom left corner looks awful! Do cards get dinged while being in the holder?

1985 Payton PSA 10

hockeycrazy

Oh my...

robert67

Foo3112

I personally cannot have a card like that in my collection if it were a 10. I would feel that I would be cheating myself knowing its not a true 10 with a corner like that.

How about this clear Miscut of Willie Mays 1970 Topps which CLEARLY shows the white line above - yet somehow manages NOT to get labeled a miscut!

CubsKiller99

<< <i>Wow!

One of my favorite cards but ouch!

Truly buy the card not the holder is true here. >>



+10

halfcentman

<< <i>I personally cannot have a card like that in my collection if it were a 10. I would feel that I would be cheating myself knowing its not a true 10 with a corner like that.

How about this clear Miscut of Willie Mays 1970 Topps which CLEARLY shows the white line above - yet somehow manages NOT to get labeled a miscut! >>



Don't you know the white line adds value to the card?

Scottiec2288

No way I would get a 10 if it was my card. How can a professional grader pass that a 10. If it was graded by multi graders that is worse. I know some cards may be borderline but that Payton is not even close to a 10. Definately buy the card but most people r just buying #s. sad

mlbfan2

<< <i>How about this clear Miscut of Willie Mays 1970 Topps which CLEARLY shows the white line above - yet somehow manages NOT to get labeled a miscut! >>



I don't think PSA considers the presence of that white line to be a miscut since the card doesn't need to be too o/c for that white line to show.

swartz1

What is the problem? the flip says 10...

MiniDuff

I've seen literally hundreds of nq 70s with that line.

The payton is a disgrace. It doesn't fill the holder well at all either and I don't love the whole left border, obviously including the blown corner.

I can see that happening with a card in a baggie, but not in a normal slab like that. It is a brand new cert # as well.

Dialj

mcolney1

Wondering if it could be something with the scan? Certainly, the seller wouldn't be selling a compromised case. Often times, black boarder cards (62 fb, 71 bb, 85 fb)play tricks with the scanner and over expose any hint of white. I've held 62 fb cards that look great to the eye, but scan horribly.

Still, I wouldn't buy the card based on the scan.

ldferg

This looks like the OPC version.

DetroitSquirreL

I have a few that look real nice but have that white line, I guess Ill send them in now BTW - I wrote a long post on PSAs Facebook page about how they seem to be giving out 10s like never before...I saw a PSA 10 that has bas chipping along the sides

DetroitSquirreL

<< <i>Wow!

One of my favorite cards but ouch!

Truly buy the card not the holder is true here. >>



sure, thats true....but the bigger question is why that got a 10

ldferg

The line on the Mays is common. There are others in the set that have this same strip. It does look OC, but this is not considered MC.

SumoMenkoMan

An interesting moral dilemma here. If the card is really not a 10 as it appears in this case, who here would send it back to get regraded? Do you capitalize on the mistake of PSA and sell it(which is happening here)? As a seller I would have a hard time selling this as graded knowing it was misgraded. If I send it back and it comes back a 10 again I would really like to know why.

thedutymon

Evening,

In my HOP that was done by the person who loads the card into the holder, I have seen it before, done it myself, he hit the card corner as he was loading it and caught the top layer and peeled it back as he was inserting it. That person is the last person who would ever have the opportunity to catch something like that and since he is doing 3, 4 hundred, 1000 a day, would never catch it.

Just my Humble Opinion.

Neil

Scottiec2288

I would do what this seller is doing. Consign to probstein. As you can see people bid on the flip not the card. The registry drives this card up as it is only pop 3. I would not want it my pc but others will pay greatly for it. I have a Sgc 92 that is better looking then this and would keep this and sell the psa 10 but I don't have a Payton or 85 registry set. Just being honest and the seller has a nice scan so u can't blame him.

digicat

The registry is a powerful drug, and some hard-core junkies are coming out to bid on this card.

shagrotn77

I would sincerely hope that this is just a product of the scan. Otherwise it's a disgrace. Perhaps Rick can chime in and shed some light.

thehallmark

I normally don't complain about borderline 10s, but this one seems really obviously worn down below that grade. PSA ought to consider re-acquiring this card to get it in the proper slab.

Baez578

Crazy this card is fetching that kind of money

olb31

<< <i>Evening,

In my HOP that was done by the person who loads the card into the holder, I have seen it before, done it myself, he hit the card corner as he was loading it and caught the top layer and peeled it back as he was inserting it. That person is the last person who would ever have the opportunity to catch something like that and since he is doing 3, 4 hundred, 1000 a day, would never catch it.

Just my Humble Opinion.

Neil >>



I agree with you. i sent 4 bccg 10 1985 leaf ryan's to get crossed a few years ago. they only crossed one to a 10, but it appeared to have a little nick on the bottom border that was not there when i sent it. i assumed, like you, that the grader accidentally did it.

Dpeck100

I have a PSA 10 that has a horrible white corner like this.

I just assumed it was hurt in the grading process because it was a crossover and it certainly did not go in that way.

Let's just hope that is what happened here.

When I was searching through some EBAY listings yesterday morning I came across this card and put it on my watch list and was baffled at the condition.

This auction does prove one thing that getting your cards graded by PSA is worth the investment.

digicat

<< <i>I have a PSA 10 that has a horrible white corner like this.

I just assumed it was hurt in the grading process because it was a crossover and it certainly did not go in that way. >>




If a card is graded as a PSA 10, but the slabbing department accidentally damages the card during slabbing, is the card still a PSA 10 card? Apparently the bidders think so.

Totally nuts.

Card = $0.10
Slab with PSA 10 label = $1999.90

WalterSobchak

It looks to me like only one of the four corners is worthy of the PSA 10 standard. This card shouldn't have gotten a 10 even without the big corner ding.

Exodus

Two grand for that ???

Someone is going to feel dirty later on tonight.

elsnorto

<< <i>Someone is going to feel dirty later on tonight. >>



Why not... it seems like they are already playing dirty. The top two bidders have a 100% and 57% bidding history with this seller over the last 30 days respectively.

Snorto~

mygotta

<< <i>

<< <i>Evening,

In my HOP that was done by the person who loads the card into the holder, I have seen it before, done it myself, he hit the card corner as he was loading it and caught the top layer and peeled it back as he was inserting it. That person is the last person who would ever have the opportunity to catch something like that and since he is doing 3, 4 hundred, 1000 a day, would never catch it.

Just my Humble Opinion.

Neil >>



I agree with you. i sent 4 bccg 10 1985 leaf ryan's to get crossed a few years ago. they only crossed one to a 10, but it appeared to have a little nick on the bottom border that was not there when i sent it. i assumed, like you, that the grader accidentally did it. >>



If this is the case, then PSA needs to reimburse the item for the PSA 10 cost (SMV value), not slab it as an official grade and remove it from the population. Especially with something like the Payton card where there is only 3 graded at a 10.

Exodus

<< <i>

<< <i>Someone is going to feel dirty later on tonight. >>



Why not... it seems like they are already playing dirty. The top two bidders have a 100% and 57% bidding history with this seller over the last 30 days respectively.

Snorto~ >>




Rut-roh

mygotta

I'm predicting this will close around $2500

Mickey71

Someone asked about the moral dilemma...........I've never....I repeat never have had a seriously valuable card way overgraded. I've had cards that were overgraded; but they were close. Take away the PSA 6 or 7 corner and it still has wear on 2 other corners....and the print quality is not fantastic either. The percentage of the top 2 bidders is just downright scary. Like I've said in the past.........you have to have a very strong stomach to be in this hobby. Almost like the ups and downs of a great closer in baseball.----Hopefully, you can understand what I'm trying to say.

ClockworkAngel

That HAD to have happened after the grading. I pray it happened after the grading. if PSA graded that card with that corner a 10, we are all in a world of hurt

elsnorto

It's now at $2025USD with the top 3 bidders having 92%, 100%, and 58% bidding history with this seller in the last month.

Snorto~

Dpeck100

I just looked through the 1985 Topps Football registry set list and none of the top five have this card.

In the Walter Payton player registry three of the top four sets publish their cards and none of them have one of these either.

The current bid is $2,800.

Does anyone have any prior sales data?

prthd

$4650.00 not to shabby

Yankees001

I was the second highest bidder.

I'll get the next one. NOT!!

Dave

SDSportsFan

It looks like the buyer is putting together a PSA 10 set, since they also picked up the PSA 10 Kellen Winslow for $2,022 (I was the underbidder).

The Winslow's a very recently graded Pop 1 and it's the only Winslow I don't have in PSA 10

Steve

mygotta

So $4600 for a card that would have otherwise sold for $5.00 in a PSA 7 or 8.

digicat

$4,650.00 worth of "crazy" right there.

If this is legit, maybe the buyer is so loaded that he farts gold dust and wipes his arse with c-notes.

Maurice

The buyer is "ekmjr" and he/she has already received feedback from probstein.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=ekmjr

Exodus

A seller has to love it when two guys take it from 2k to 4.65k.

japhi

Even if that was a legit 10 that price is insane, 4K for a players 10th card in the league. I never want to be critical of what others collect but that is just silly to spend 30K building an 1985 topps FB set.

calgarycollector

Feedback shows he made a run at all the 85 10's yesterday, you set registry guys are crazy competitive! I thought I had collecting issues lol

RavensFan

I am a newbie to this board, but what is the saying?

Buy the card and not the holder!!!

Even I know better, which isn't saying much.

handyman

I have a feeling that PSA might have to buy that card back in the future. Unless this guy keeps it for the rest of his life. But If this set is ever broken up I think someone is going to be unhappy with it and make PSA buy it back. And how could they argue that is a 10 when the corner looks like a 6.

calgarycollector

This is a real odd one, so what we think is the card was a passable 10 when it got to PSA, it was then damaged as part of the slabbing process. Being somewhat of assebly line of production we think they didn't notice this and the card went out as a 10?

And others had this occur as mentioned in earlier posts, I wonder how PSA has handled this in the past.

Makes you wonder if they did notice it damaged as part of slabbing what would they have done. Slabbed anyway or notified the owner and came to settlement? Tough to prove, I'm not sure how many people take photos of their raw cards prior to submission.

Anyone ever had the latter occur?

swartz1

Nice purchase!!

WalterSobchak

$4,600 for a $1 card. Nice work!

digicat

<< <i>Slabbed anyway or notified the owner and came to settlement? >>



Knowing it was damaged and slabbing it anyways would be extremely irresponsible on PSA's part.