1877 Indian Real ? and Grade ?
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On reflection - 35.
Empty Nest Collection
Could use a mineral oil soak.
I'd grade it a VF30, perhaps a 35 depending on how it looked after the soak.
It has the markers of a genuine coin with VF sharpness, but the highest parts of the design have been rubbed or whipped which gives them an unnatural bright look. The coin has the greenish look of a ground salvage piece although the two colors in the separate photos leave me wondering what the true color is. If it is like the first photos the coin is corroded and ground salvage, which I guess would net grade to a Good.
As for authentication the digits in the date are the right style, and the "N" in "ONE" is weak at the bottom. The rest of it has the crispness of a mint struck U.S. coin.
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<< <i>It has the markers of a genuine coin with VF sharpness, but the highest parts of the design have been rubbed or whipped which gives them an unnatural bright look. The coin has the greenish look of a ground salvage piece although the two colors in the separate photos leave me wondering what the true color is. If it is like the first photos the coin is corroded and ground salvage, which I guess would net grade to a Good.
As for authentication the digits in the date are the right style, and the "N" in "ONE" is weak at the bottom. The rest of it has the crispness of a mint struck U.S. coin. >>
I have to disagree with Bill that it's a genuine piece. The style of the date is correct but I believe that's due to its being a poorly cast copy. Note the broken, crumbling lettering, particularly in "states", "of" and the lower half of the wreath on the reverse, where some of the high details are present, but fade into nothing, closer to the field.
Combine the cast counterfeit product with a bit of ground time and rubbing to "age it up" and mask a lot of sins, is where it ends up at for me. NG.
bob
sure looks authentic from the images but diagnostics are not supporting an authentic verdict.
1 reverse die known and there are inconsistencies significant enough to either prove out a 2nd known rev die or this being a counterfeit.
the most likely scenario, a counterfeit.
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here are the 2 things i'm unable to get past, despite how authentic the coin looks.
The N is too strong and every design element on both sides is... imprecise. I don't mean worn; I mean not crisply delineated. It has a very crude, unprofessionally made look to it.
<< <i>a die clash above the O. >>
the clash is present on all but a few of the 1877 images i have. strange. i agree about the 7 and the shallow N in both words.
wonder if it will be going in for authentication or have high-res images uploaded.
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My WAG is counterfeit, from dies made from a genuine '77.
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<< <i>Genuine with environmental damage. >>
Quite incorrect. Don't be in a hurry to buy uncertified keys, unless you enjoy throwing away $.
That N is too strong!
Pretty sure it real, Eagle eye where are you ?
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Would like to see it after a soak in oil to get rid of the schmutz.
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<< <i>Genuine with environmental damage. >>
Quite incorrect. Don't be in a hurry to buy uncertified keys, unless you enjoy throwing away $. >>
I am in no hurry, and will probably never own an uncertified example; however I already own two examples of this date, both certified.
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