If priced exactly the same... Which example would you rather have?

Broadstruck

If priced exactly the same which example of this Early American token would you rather have top ~or~ bottom

1829 Wolfe Spies & Clark, New York, Brass, 26mm, Rarity-6.



Thank in advance!

Vbowling299

Bottom one for me!!

braddick

If prices were exactly the same for both examples I'd purchase them both, sell the second to help subsidize the payment of the first.

Banemorth

I'd rather the hole with more details than the scratched up more worn version so bottom for me too!

Although I don't think I'd buy either.

BillJones

I'd take the bottom one. The top one is corroded and cleaned brass. The bottom one is just corroded brass with more detail. It a appears that both have holes.

Unless this was something I really wanted, AND it is something that always comes with problems, I'd pass on both.

AUandAG

Both holed and top scratched and less detail.....so, I'd go with the bottom example.

bob

guitarwes

bottom

habaraca

Bottom.....

What the slab say must be something good to be in plastic

<<1829 Wolfe Spies & Clark, New York, Brass, 26mm, Rarity-6.>>
guess I should have read it all

TPRC

Bottom--and it's not even close. I don't kike holes but I hate scratches and bottom piece has much less wear.

ctf_error_coins

#2, but you most likely already knew this......

Sonorandesertrat

A no-brainer--the bottom one.

LindeDad

I'd pass on both even if I had my pockets crammed with your money.

MidLifeCrisis

<< <i>I'd take the bottom one. The top one is corroded and cleaned brass. The bottom one is just corroded brass with more detail. It a appears that both have holes.

Unless this was something I really wanted, AND it is something that always comes with problems, I'd pass on both. >>


I agree with Bill on all points.

sniocsu

Bottom

OriginalDan

I'll take a number 2.

Justlooking

Of the two, the bottom ... but a nicer one will come along.

ricko

I would pass on both.... unless I was an obsessed collector who had been searching for years for one of these items.... then I would buy both and sell one. Cheers, RickO

shorecoll

Bottom...color and detail.

Baley

the bottom one, is the easy answer.

the more interesting question is: how much cheaper would the top one have to be, in order to prefer it over the bottom one?

Type2

Ya pick number ? Pick # ?

UtahCoin

Bottom one.

AMRC

I cannot imagine a scenario where I would have to pick one or the other. I would stop collecting.

okracer

Bottom one.......and I wouldn't mind having it if the price was substantially lower than a problem free one.

rec78

Bottom one--More detail -not scratched - a plug is uglier than a hole.

Bob

Broadstruck

Thanks everyone!

The upper example sold twice at Stack's in 2005 and 2008 for $345.00 & $391.00 with buyers premium. The description mentioned "This specimen is above average for the variety and deserves a place in an advanced cabinet." These are rare tokens in any grade and most are well worn, damaged, or show poor surface quality. In John Ford's sale it was mentioned "Many fine collections have gotten by with a holed Wolfe, Spies, and Clark; many others have done without this elusive issue entirely."

The lower example is one that I was just tracking in the CSNS auction to see what it would hammer? I was expecting it to go for around $425.00 plus buyer premium as most all of these with issues lately are selling just around the $500.00 figure. The exonumia auctions started quite late in the evening and I was expecting others to bid live, via proxy, fax, or mail. Watching the lot live when no one else bid I just had to purchase it and consider it one of the best buys in the auction as exonumia in general was strong. I will at some point upgrade should a issue free example come to market, but in the meantime owning this example as a representative of the type (filler) was IMHO wiser then money in the bank.

DIMEMAN

>>>I'd pass on both even if I had my pockets crammed with your money. <<<

+1

AnkurJ

Bottom one. Better detail.

Broadstruck

Well it arrived and I'm happy with it

Thanks everyone below are my pics.

daOnlyBG

I would have passed on both, but hey, as long as you're happy with the token, who cares!

Broadstruck

<< <i>I would have passed on both, but hey, as long as you're happy with the token, who cares! >>



Most all of these have issues and the finest known is a AU that in 1989 was withdrawn from an auction as it was presumed to have been cast.

johnny9434

if i had to pick one it would be the bottem one ( more detail ). i just dont like damaged goods.

Baley

Congratulations, I think it's magnificent for what it is. very rare and difficult to find in any condition, most collectors will do without rather than have a "problem" item

Constantine

You made a good choice!

DennisH

Bottom

coindeuce

Is this listed in "Medallic Portraits of Washington"?

Broadstruck

<< <i>Is this listed in "Medallic Portraits of Washington"? >>



Yes along with being Miller-NY-962 it's also Baker-589.

Edited to add: Thanks for questinging this coindeuce

George Fuld in his revision of William Bakers "Medallic Portraits of Washington" actually assigned a rarity rating of R.7 to this token.

TheRegulator

Nice buy and well done.

It is probably safe to say that your token collection is advanced enough for this piece to fit right in- problems and all. If I saw your token collection in its entirety, my first thought for this piece would be "that's gotta be a tough one."