Gun Ban fails!
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<< <i>I hope bullets & rifles get cheaper~QUICK! >>
I hope ammo starts showing back up at Walmart. Maybe then Walmart will drop the 3 box ammo limit.
Looks like they will have to steal the Wealth the old fashion way...by more naked shorting of Gold Futures on COMEX, going forward.
That said I am relieved the regime's anti gun rights legislation failed.
The Dear Leader was not pleased. Priceless.
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<< <i>I don't own a gun, don't plan on ever buying any and care little about ammunition supplies or prices.
That said I am relieved the regime's anti gun rights legislation failed.
The Dear Leader was not pleased. Priceless. >>
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Honest and law abiding citizens punished.
I knew it would happen.
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to boost the economy by in-sighting the biggest gun and ammo sales frenzy of all time.
I don't know if there was any spill over into PMs other than I spent money on such, as opposed to PMs. And would rather have PM'd it.
Maybe if he listened more, and asked what the people would like to do, he would have gotten more support.
<< <i>I don't own a gun, don't plan on ever buying any and care little about ammunition supplies or prices.
That said I am relieved the regime's anti gun rights legislation failed.
The Dear Leader was not pleased. Priceless. >>
This.
<< <i>Too bad I live in NY-Cuomo's law still stands! >>
You have my sympathies.
I live in the wild west. Iowa.
"Require checks for online sales and sales at gun shows, but not sales between neighbors and family members."
As did this:
"Substitute for background check bill that increases enforcement and reporting on mentally ill people."
So, in this case Obama did exactly what the people asked, and the NRA successfully stopped it. Another bill that failed that had widespread, bipartisan support was:
"Make straw purchasing and trafficking a federal crime."
There is zero reason for those bills to not have passed. They are public safety bills, not 'gun rights' bills.
<< <i>What sucks is that even the background checks for gun buyers bill - something supported by 90% of americans - also failed:
"Require checks for online sales and sales at gun shows, but not sales between neighbors and family members."
As did this:
"Substitute for background check bill that increases enforcement and reporting on mentally ill people."
So, in this case Obama did exactly what the people asked, and the NRA successfully stopped it. Another bill that failed that had widespread, bipartisan support was:
"Make straw purchasing and trafficking a federal crime."
There is zero reason for those bills to not have passed. They are public safety bills, not 'gun rights' bills. >>
I did not ask for this bill and I am people.
Can you please tell, other than you and the POTUS, what people asked for this?
<< <i>I did not ask for this bill and I am people.
Can you please tell, other than you and the POTUS, what people asked for this? >>
Hey, then you should be pretty happy today. 270 million Americans disagreed with you, but your opinion won. Enjoy the victory.
My question on the background check bill is then thus: If it was so 'pointless' and won't change anything, why was there such a massive resistance against it? Why did anyone care at all? The gov't passes truly pointless bills all the time with no fuss.
edit to add: it's actually ok to be both pro-ccw and for background checks - they're not mutually exclusive propositions. just like it's ok to be against assault weapon bans and for magazine restrictions. And here's one that's REALLY awful: I'm anti-assault weapons and pro-silver! The horror!
the 'all or nothing' belief on anything related to guns is what is truly stifling meaningful debate on the issue, imho. And certain groups continue to gain financially from a discussion based in fear and misinformation.
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<< <i>I did not ask for this bill and I am people.
Can you please tell, other than you and the POTUS, what people asked for this? >>
Hey, then you should be pretty happy today. 270 million Americans disagreed with you, but your opinion won. Enjoy the victory.
My question on the background check bill is then thus: If it was so 'pointless' and won't change anything, why was there such a massive resistance against it? Why did anyone care at all? The gov't passes truly pointless bills all the time with no fuss. >>
Opened the door for all personal cash transactions to be tracked and taxed. All it would have done was make the underground market bigger. All legal ffl gun sales are already background checked.
Overstating the case a bit, aren't you? You aren't making any sense, miklia. The reason that there was massive resistance to this pointless bill is because it attacked only honest, law-abiding gun owners for no reason.
There are so many criminal laws that could be enforced, but never are. Including firearms possession by known felons, for starters. Oh, that's right - criminals don't worry about following any laws. What's so hard to understand about that?
My younger brother is a classic case of the low information voter, who is also married to a lib. He is beside himself that his subdivision is running out of water from their wells and isn't allowed to drill another well. Their only option is to build a water treatment facility, but that option is voted down by the homeowners association because of the cost. It's a travesty that the county is enforcing the water guidelines. It might be a case of over regulation, but I don't have those details. Either way, it's not a problem until it affects you. Right? A travesty, I tell ya.
I knew it would happen.
91% of americans support universal background checks
I get the romantic notion of not taking guns because freedom, but at what point does the collateral damage of our gun policies become too high? Where's the benchmark for 'acceptable' and 'not acceptable'? 1k gun deaths a year? 10k? 100k? Every society collectively decides this figure differently, but the USA behaves much more like African states than the developed world in this regard, thus making it a fascinating question to ask.
And as I noted to a member previously, if you think that the USG cares in the slightest about 'tracking' the 19th and 20th century weapons collected by its citizens as a threat given its 21st century arsenal and capabilities, you're sorely mistaken.
Maybe after all those CC names and addresses started showing up in newspapers, folk realized that they didn't want their transactions tracted by the admin. There's a severe lack of trust here. I don't know about 90% of the nation being for it...were the illegal aliens for it, were the criminals for it, were the CC folk for it? Doubtful there's 90% of the population even left after that, much less available to be "for it". Besides, nobody asked me if I was for it...did anybody ask you or anyone you know? Maybe they extrapolated this 90% factoid from a poll his pro regulation people did within a target demographic?
Now, mental health checks, funding for mental health services, ptsd treatment...yeah, there's something you could work on if the intent is to stop crazy people from shooting the rest of us. Try that approach.
<< <i>"Opened the door for all personal cash transactions to be tracked and taxed."
Maybe after all those CC names and addresses started showing up in newspapers, folk realized that they didn't want their transactions tracted by the admin. There's a severe lack of trust here. I don't know about 90% of the nation being for it...were the illegal aliens for it, were the criminals for it, were the CC folk for it? Doubtful there's 90% of the population even left after that, much less available to be "for it". Besides, nobody asked me if I was for it...did anybody ask you or anyone you know? Maybe they extrapolated this 90% factoid from a poll his pro regulation people did within a target demographic?
Now, mental health checks, funding for mental health services, ptsd treatment...yeah, there's something you could work on if the intent is to stop crazy people from shooting the rest of us. Try that approach. >>
My FIL was one of the NYers whose name was published in the paper as a gun license/owner, as was his MTA detective son (why they listed cops i don't know). Pissed off isn't a good description. Tons of break ins at a lot of the addresses listed in the Times (or whatever paper it was), lots of guns stolen from law abiding citizens by guess who, criminals.
<< <i>Now, mental health checks, funding for mental health services, ptsd treatment...yeah, there's something you could work on if the intent is to stop crazy people from shooting the rest of us. Try that approach. >>
It was - and was also voted down yesterday. This is kind of my point. There's been such a strong knee-jerk reaction to any gun bills that even sensible, benign bills that 'everyone' agrees upon get voted down.
Listen guys - the 90% figure is real. Instead of attacking the (solid) methodology, perhaps take the chance to have a bit of reflection about your own position. Not saying it needs to (or even should) change, but it's solidly in the minority, and there are reasons for that.
My journalism degree cringes at the media these days. Glad I'm out of that nonsense anymore.
where'd you go to j-school? it's a hell of a tough field at the moment. low on ethics, low on jobs. a bad combination - for us all.
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<< <i>Now, mental health checks, funding for mental health services, ptsd treatment...yeah, there's something you could work on if the intent is to stop crazy people from shooting the rest of us. Try that approach. >>
It was - and was also voted down yesterday. This is kind of my point. There's been such a strong knee-jerk reaction to any gun bills that even sensible, benign bills that 'everyone' agrees upon get voted down.
Listen guys - the 90% figure is real. Instead of attacking the (solid) methodology, perhaps take the chance to have a bit of reflection about your own position. Not saying it needs to (or even should) change, but it's solidly in the minority, and there are reasons for that. >>
If you are correct and the restrictions would affect gun violence, I strongly suggest to implement those restrictions in Afghanistan and bring our troops home.
(include Kenya,Sierra Leone, Somalia, Sudan,Liberia, Rwanda, Congo, Malaysia, etc.)
I like your thinking to look at other countries for inspiration. So, let's look at where these types of laws have been implemented. Canada, Scandinavia, and Australia are great examples of how we can dramatically save thousands of innocent lives every single without restricting gun ownership. Let's do it. Japan's a more extreme example (and goes beyond what the USA should do imo), but also instructive.
<< <i>true - but your intent in questioning it then becomes to diminish the validity of the poll - attacking the messenger, as it were. the poll's not an outlier.
where'd you go to j-school? it's a hell of a tough field at the moment. low on ethics, low on jobs. a bad combination - for us all. >>
UGA '95. Webmaster/editor/associate producer at cnn.com until I got out of there in 97. I was building the sports section (precursor to cnnsi.com) and that was at least 'clean' reporting. The poli-side folks....urgh man what a handful they were/are.
The ethics are nonexistent nowadays, blog mentality rules with no repurcussions anymore. When was the last time you heard of a slander or libel lawsuit? Been a hot minute.
All of this has virtually nil to do with crime. It has to do with politics and control. It all depends on whose ox gets gored. I find it reprehensible to use crime victims as props for a political agenda.
I knew it would happen.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
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All of this has virtually nil to do with crime. It has to do with politics and control. It all depends on whose ox gets gored. I find it reprehensible to use crime victims as props for a political agenda. >>
I'm not big on the 'false flag' narratives currently running around, since capitalizing on catastrophe is as old as politics. sometimes it's good (sputnik put the usa on the moon), sometimes not so much.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
<< <i>We should let this thread die before we get the sticky slapped back up top. >>
Agree. No one is going to change their mind by reading anything in this thread.
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<< <i>Too bad I live in NY-Cuomo's law still stands! >>
My sympathies. NYS taxes are brutal whether it property tax, income tax or gas tax.
My work took me to upstate NYS and south NJ on back to back days this week. Gas in NYS was $3.79 and I pumped 2 gallons to get back to PA. In NJ the price was $3.19. I topped off; they pump it for your there too.
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<< <i>I miss the Open Forum
Kinda like this with wit and humor.
<< <i>using anecdotes as facts is specious. Here's an actual one, and you're right - it's actually 273 million:
91% of americans support universal background checks
I get the romantic notion of not taking guns because freedom, but at what point does the collateral damage of our gun policies become too high? Where's the benchmark for 'acceptable' and 'not acceptable'? 1k gun deaths a year? 10k? 100k? Every society collectively decides this figure differently, but the USA behaves much more like African states than the developed world in this regard, thus making it a fascinating question to ask.
And as I noted to a member previously, if you think that the USG cares in the slightest about 'tracking' the 19th and 20th century weapons collected by its citizens as a threat given its 21st century arsenal and capabilities, you're sorely mistaken. >>
The poll was originally conducted by O-MSNBC. It included only @ 1200 respondents from 5 or 6 states all of which went for Obama in the 2012 election.
How about we do background checks for illegals prior to letting them apply for citizenship ? Why is it always the law abiding citizen who has to jump through hoops while the law breakers never are prosecuted wth all of the laws already on the books ?
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<< <i>I miss the Open Forum
Kinda like this with wit and humor. >>
Yes, and I liked going to one place for all my daily antics to include my hobby and chatting about random stuff... Now I have to go to at least three different forums to seek enough variety in my life ;D
<< <i>I miss the Open Forum
After it was booted from the CU Message Boards, it was recreated as the Open Forum Refuge at www.popforum.net/.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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Miklia, for one thing, BO and his buddies came right out and said BEFORE it fail that when it passed, they were going to attached the magazine size limit, Semi-auto rifle ban (also known by BO as the Assault rifle ban) amendments and change the private transfer language.
As for your 91%, that figure is based upon a very small sample (approx. 1,000) without any defined parameters, such as where the sample population was located, how was it arrived at, etc.
"The poll was originally conducted by O-MSNBC. It included only @ 1200 respondents from 5 or 6 states all of which went for Obama in the 2012 election."
I stand corrected. I had seen that but couldn't remember the exact details. Like the majority of polls, it’s worthless (CU polls are the exception)!!!
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<< <i>I miss the Open Forum
After it was booted from the CU Message Boards, it was recreated as the Open Forum Refuge at www.popforum.net/. >>
The OFR is crap...
<< <i>“My question on the background check bill is then thus: If it was so 'pointless' and won't change anything, why was there such a massive resistance against it? Why did anyone care at all? The gov't passes truly pointless bills all the time with no fuss”
Miklia, for one thing, BO and his buddies came right out and said BEFORE it fail that when it passed, they were going to attached the magazine size limit, Semi-auto rifle ban (also known by BO as the Assault rifle ban) amendments and change the private transfer language.
As for your 91%, that figure is based upon a very small sample (approx. 1,000) without any defined parameters, such as where the sample population was located, how was it arrive at, etc. Like the majority of polls, it’s worthless!!! >>
Along with it being a backdoor-frontdoor registry.
The horrible media reporting on this from most of the 'news' sources also never pressed on the fact that there isn't a gun show loophole, unless you're refering to the parking lot of the gun show, in which case that behavior isn't going to be changed anytime soon/ever. Criminals don't obey laws, isn't that the very definition of being a criminal....or a politician.
<< <i>using anecdotes as facts is specious. Here's an actual one, and you're right - it's actually 273 million:
91% of americans support universal background checks
I get the romantic notion of not taking guns because freedom, but at what point does the collateral damage of our gun policies become too high? Where's the benchmark for 'acceptable' and 'not acceptable'? 1k gun deaths a year? 10k? 100k? Every society collectively decides this figure differently, but the USA behaves much more like African states than the developed world in this regard, thus making it a fascinating question to ask.
And as I noted to a member previously, if you think that the USG cares in the slightest about 'tracking' the 19th and 20th century weapons collected by its citizens as a threat given its 21st century arsenal and capabilities, you're sorely mistaken. >>
If we applied your argument to other facets of American life we surely would ban:
Driving an automobile (More deaths from this than firearms)
Drinking alcohol (More deaths from alcohol related than firearms)
Performing surgery (More deaths from surgeries than firearms)
Cutting their food with a knife (More deaths from stabbing than firearms)
Living in Chicago (Gun bans/laws are working wonders here)
The list could go on and on
I, for one, would like the government to address the root cause of the problems in each of these cases. It is not the guns that are killing people just like it is not the cars that are killing people. It is the people and circumstances behind the tragedies. If you want to make America safer, use a better approach than stepping on the liberties of law abiding citizens and then you will have bi-partisan support. If a crazy wants to commit a crime, they will find a way whether a firearm is present or not.
P.S. If anyone knows where I can get some IMR 4831 powder, it is non existent online or in stores, send me a PM.
THANK YOU! I was about to point that out myself....yet the lib media and the Prez are constantly parroting "90%, 90%, 90%" as if it were true... solid methodology my arse.
And I think it's shameful for Obama to essentially stand on the graves of those Newtown kids and trot out Gabby Giffords in some convoluted attempt at some national guilt trip.
What happened was tragic, but even if these bills had been magically passed before Newtown, Newtown would have still happened. The kid used stolen guns that were legally obtained.
The reality is that you can legislate all you want but you can't legislate away crazy people. Or criminals.
All you end up doing is penalizing law abiding people, which represent the overwhelmingly vast majority of registered gun owners.
I live in Illinois, a state where all firearms owners have to have a registered FOID card... and when I recently bought a new handgun I had to fill out registration paperwork, answer a questionnaire that included questions about my mental state, and the local PD even had a form asking-amongst other things- why I bought the weapon! Plus I had to put a thumbprint on it... then I had to wait 3 days for them to check me out before I could take the weapon home...so I guess I'm having a bit of trouble listening to these anti-gun talking heads that say "anyone in the country can just go buy a gun and just take it with them"...bs.
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