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Ebay is now banning Cuban Coins
amwldcoin
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Funny,I just read the question about importing Cuban Currency. Well evidently in the last week ebay has started banning the listing of any coins from Cuba. I tried to relist a couple and ebay would not allow it! I have sold quite a few coins from Cuba on ebay in the last year. Seems like they would differentiate between old and new(Castro) coins.
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looks to me that there is a whole bunch listed:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/Coins-World-/256/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=cuba
<< <i>really?
looks to me that there is a whole bunch listed:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/Coins-World-/256/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=cuba >>
This evidently just went into effect. I had Cuban coins listed that ended and I went to relist...they are now banned in the US. Don't know about other ebay sites.
Really? Wow.
I just tried to list a certified 10 centavos. I've sold a number of these before and as recently as a couple months ago.
I got this message,
Attention Sellers:
Listings for stamps, coins or paper money from Cuba are not permitted. eBay’s policy prohibits the sale of most items that originate from Cuba due to sanctions enforced by the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC). If you list such an item in violation of this policy, we will remove the item and may prohibit you from further use of our services.
More information on the specific items covered by the sanctions related to Cuba can be found here:
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/pages/cuba.aspx
eBay’s policy on Embargoed Goods and Prohibited Countries can be found here:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/embargo.html
WTF!
<< <i>What next, Chinese fakes. >>
NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS!!!!! That would severely impact eBay's EPS and Revenues.
Coin dated before 1960 and other items are legal and not affected by the emargo-however maybe ebay just decided it would be easier to just ban all Cuban coins. The embargo includes everything including stamps, coins, and currency.
I feel that for the good of the Cuban people the U. S. government should halt the embargo. Sugar cane and cigars are chief Cuban exports and there was a great market for these items in the U. S. before the embargo. Also in the 1920's Cuba was a great vacation spot-I do not know if this will ever recur but the cigar and sugar trade will one day.
Bob
We don't allow items on our site if they fall under the embargo regulations with the following countries:
Burma (Myanmar)
Cuba
Iran
North Korea
Sudan
Syria
We also don't allow organizations, businesses, or individuals from these countries to have or register accounts while based in these countries.
You can review the most up-to-date list of sanctions affecting countries, organizations, and individuals by visiting the Office of Foreign Assets Control website.
We also don't allow organizations, businesses, or individuals on the Specially Designated Nationals list (SDN) to have or register accounts.
I better sell some Pahlavi's quickly....
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• DEALING IN IRANIAN-ORIGIN GOODS OR SERVICES - U.S. persons, including foreign
branches of U.S. depository institutions and trading companies, are prohibited
from engaging in any transactions, including purchase, sale, transportation,
swap, financing, or brokering transactions related to goods or services of
Iranian origin or goods or services owned or controlled by the Government of
Iran.
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Fake Norfed Dollars from China
Next you won't be able to sell Nazi coins. I know those are already verboten in parts of Europe.
I am even embarrassed for the E
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I guess my gripe is coins that could have legitimately been brought here legally should be allowed to be sold! I just bought a nice 1915 Cuban Peso last week with intentions of listing it on ebay.
It still is a great vacation spot! If you can stomach the human rights abuses and backwardness of the gov
I've spoken to American's who have traveled there legally. You can still get a religious visa
<< <i>Interesting that ebay suddenly enforced the ban
It still is a great vacation spot! If you can stomach the human rights abuses and backwardness of the gov
I've spoken to American's who have traveled there legally. You can still get a religious visa >>
Great!!! I'm going to apply to visit and attend the Temple of Mojito.
I know plenty of people that have been to Cuba...they all really enjoyed the place.
Dennis
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As a test, I just tried to list an Iranian stamp, and the following explanatory message came up:
Listings for items that originate from Iran are only permitted for US sellers and US buyers on eBay.com. In addition, US sellers cannot list these items with shipping outside the US or with an item location outside the US. If these conditions are not met, then you may not list this item.
More information on the specific items covered by the sanctions related to Iran can be found here:
http://www.treasury.gov /resource-center/sanctions/Programs/pages/iran.aspx
eBay's policy on Embargoed Goods and Prohibited Countries can be found here:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/embargo.html
1/2 Cents
U.S. Revenue Stamps
I think all the Cuban Republic coinage was minted at Philadelphia. Go figure!
<< <i>You *can* list these items. You just cannot import/export them to/from the U.S. >>
Apparently, eBay disagrees:
MC999 eBay Listing Removed: Embargoed Goods (766720219)
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Dear xxx,
You recently listed the following listing:
181108980172 - CUBA 1953 Silver 1 Peso BU
Unfortunately, we had to remove your listing because of the following:
You listed an item that came from Cuba. This is not permitted.
Please do not relist.
eBay doesn't allow the sale of items to or from countries, organizations, businesses, or individuals where the United States government has an embargo. This includes Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Syria, and other countries. This significantly restricts or bans all trade with these countries. As a United States company, eBay is bound by the government's restrictions regarding these embargoes.
edited to add... Question to no one in particular: If eBay doesn't allow the sales of Cuban coins, why are there categories for them?
eBay encourages sellers to oppose Senate’s pending online sales tax bill
Sounds like ebay doesn't want to deal with sales tax! (the bill "empowers states to compel retailers outside their borders to collect sales tax for online purchases. In other words, an Illinois retailer shipping to a Californian would now be required to collect California sales tax then send that money back to the Golden State. At present, states can only require this of companies that have an in-state physical presence.")
My wantlist & references
"You recently listed the following...
Unfortunately, we had to remove your listing because of the following:
You listed an item that came from Cuba. This is not permitted.
Please do not relist."
Yeah, I listed the coin. In the category you specifically provided. If you don't want these coins listed, perhaps you might be so kind as to apologize to me for wasting my time listing coins in your defined categories and later changing your mind about allowing them in the first place.
But, no. I'm the bad guy. And I better not do it again, begging the question:
If I list other coins in the categories that you provide, will I get in trouble for that, too?
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Definitely sounds like lobbying and butt-kissing. Feds and IRS have been hounding down on eBay in recent years, especially the past few months, because of all the lost tax revenues. Similar to Amazon.com's situation.
Regarding the forced removal of listings … eBay is horrible about removing the wrong listings. I have reported dozens upon dozens of violations to them (fakes, scams, etc) that were never taken down. Meanwhile I've had two of my own forcibly removed by their Customer Service as a result of confusion (on their part or the reporter).
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<< <i>Regarding the forced removal of listings … >>
It doesn't appear the eBay is removing listings. If they did that, they'd have to refund fees. What they're doing is letting GTC listings run to completion and then not allowing them be relisted.
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<< <i>I didn't think they refunded fees for violations / forced removal. >>
If one properly lists a coin in a category that eBay provides specifically for it and the listing gets ended because eBay changes their policy regarding the things that can be listed on the site, the person originally listing the coin has violated no policy.
From eBay:
"If we removed your listing because of a policy violation, we may or may not refund your fees for that listing, depending on the policy you violated and whether you've violated our policies in the past."
If you might get your fees back after violating eBay policy, it's likely (IMO) you would get your fees back if eBay changed their minds about what you can sell and ended your listings early.
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 448
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Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 448
1953 Jose Marti silver peso minted in Philadelphia
You are bidding on a BU 1953 silver peso made not in Cuba but at the U.S. Mint for a well-known Caribbean country whose name cannot be mentioned. It features a bust of local hero Jose Marti, who raised money for his fight for independence from among immigrant cigar makers in Tampa, Fla. As this product is made in the USA, it is legal for Americans to own, so bid with confidence!
Well done! An excellent idea. I highly recommend it.
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Maybe they need to work on their own search function for listings?
Fortunately, there are a number of Syrian coins still up on eBay for grabs, but I don't see the one I'm currently pursuing. The 1950 gold pound tends to show up on Heritage from time to time, though.
Banning harmless stuff is just stupid..
Interests:
Pre-Jump Grade Project
Toned Commemoratives
<< <i>Banning harmless stuff is just stupid.. >>
Amwldcoin, I would discuss the plan with eBay customer support. See what they think. Explain it was minted in Philly.
Furthermore, emphasize the coin is already in your possession in the States and will not be shipping from Cuba. See what they say?
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embargo means just that; no trade. It doesn't mean that Cuban coins don't exist or are illegal in any
way. It means you can't import anything from Cuba including current or past coins.
The problem is the educational system has failed in this country and now we have uneducated nit
wits making decisions. Believe it or not most swimming pools in this country are closed during and be-
fore electrical storms because somebody is afraid all the swimmers will get electrocuted! It gets worse
every year; much worse. Ebay is one of the worst violators of common sense and will bend over back-
ward to be polically correct. I hear tell they already banned nazi era coins.
Personally I don't collect swastika coins but I do collect occupation coins from eastern european countries.
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<< <i> I hear tell they already banned nazi era coins. >>
You heard wrong....there are literally thousands of 1933- 1945 Nazi era coin auctions at this time, a good percentage with swastika's. What I would like to see being banned, is all the fake Chinese produced NAZI fantasy bars & rounds. Just do a search for: Reichsbank on eBay, and review what those sellers are peddling, none were ever issued by the "3d Reich."
My name is Francis X. Putrow. I am the president of the Cuban Numismatic Association (CNA), founded in 2004. I have been contacted by many of our fellow CNA members that recent attempts to list Cuban numismatic items had been rejected by eBay. These members contacted eBay Customer Service representatives, who referenced the new policy, but were unable to address the CNA members complaints that the CUBAN EMBARGO excludes Cuban coins and paper money that were minted/printed before February 7, 1962." In the meantime, no listings are being allowed by eBay.
I have reviewed eBay's GUIDE to COLLECTING CUBAN COINS, which clarifies that "coins minted before the embargo was in place can be legally sold and purchased in the United States." The guide includes a sample list of specific coins that fall into this category. These coins, as well as ALL the Cuban coins up to 1961, were minted in the Philadelphia, PA mint. Actually, the sample list referenced is a very small number of the population that was minted by the Philadelphia mint. eBay's new listing policy of Cuban coins is very inconsistent with the above published guide.
Cuban currency was also printed by the Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BPE) in Washington, DC until 1949, and then printed by the American Note Company until 1960. 20th Century Cuban notes were also printed by the American Note Company for the Spanish Bank in Cuba. All of these items are currently denied listing as well.
The current listing policy of Cuban currency is inconsistent with eBay's guide above.
Go CNA! Hopefully some action will come as a result of that letter. If not then perhaps we can sign a petition threatening to boycott?
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<< <i>YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!
Go CNA! Hopefully some action will come as a result of that letter. If not then perhaps we can sign a petition threatening to boycott? >>
Perhaps Senator Marco Rubio should be contacted.
http://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/
<< <i>Perhaps Senator Marco Rubio should be contacted. >>
DONE.
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<< <i>The Cuban Numismatic Association released this letter they sent to eBay:
My name is Francis X. Putrow. I am the president of the Cuban Numismatic Association (CNA), founded in 2004. I have been contacted by many of our fellow CNA members that recent attempts to list Cuban numismatic items had been rejected by eBay. These members contacted eBay Customer Service representatives, who referenced the new policy, but were unable to address the CNA members complaints that the CUBAN EMBARGO excludes Cuban coins and paper money that were minted/printed before February 7, 1962." In the meantime, no listings are being allowed by eBay.
I have reviewed eBay's GUIDE to COLLECTING CUBAN COINS, which clarifies that "coins minted before the embargo was in place can be legally sold and purchased in the United States." The guide includes a sample list of specific coins that fall into this category. These coins, as well as ALL the Cuban coins up to 1961, were minted in the Philadelphia, PA mint. Actually, the sample list referenced is a very small number of the population that was minted by the Philadelphia mint. eBay's new listing policy of Cuban coins is very inconsistent with the above published guide.
Cuban currency was also printed by the Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BPE) in Washington, DC until 1949, and then printed by the American Note Company until 1960. 20th Century Cuban notes were also printed by the American Note Company for the Spanish Bank in Cuba. All of these items are currently denied listing as well.
The current listing policy of Cuban currency is inconsistent with eBay's guide above. >>
Any coins imported from Cuba today are illegal. It doesn't matter when they were minted.
No Cuban coin in the US is necessarily here ibn violation of the ban. A recent issue that
came by way of another country is legal to own and trade here. eBay is wrong and the
proposed remedy is wrong.