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I only sell replica coins for collections, none of the coins I sell are original.
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I found a bunch of Graded PCGS coins for cheap!... They just have one minor problem
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"Welcome to my shop!I only sell replica coins for collections, none of the coins I sell are original. Please don't buy them as the original coins. I sell these copied coins only want to make your collections more perfect. About shipping: It takes about 20 to 30 days to carry to American, and 25 to 35 days to European and other countries. Hope you could wait for your items patiently."
I know that these types of sites have been posted in the past. It would be nice if there was a way to shut them down!
..."Welcome to my shop!I only sell replica coins for collections, none of the coins I sell are original. Please don't buy them as the original coins. I sell these copied coins only want to make your collections more perfect. About shipping: It takes about 20 to 30 days to carry to American, and 25 to 35 days to European and other countries. Hope you could wait for your items patiently."
I know that these types of sites have been posted in the past. It would be nice if there was a way to shut them down!
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Let's go get 'em, boys.
<< <i>OK, grab your pitchforks and blunderbusses. Line up over there. We'll hand out the flaming torches at the assembly point.
Let's go get 'em, boys. >>
Do you think this is some kind of joke? It's chit like this that is going to really hurt the hobby, especially as the quality of these fake coins and slabs improves.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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<< <i>OK, grab your pitchforks and blunderbusses. Line up over there. We'll hand out the flaming torches at the assembly point.
Let's go get 'em, boys. >>
Do you think this is some kind of joke? It's chit like this that is going to really hurt the hobby, especially as the quality of these fake coins and slabs improves. >>
Actually, I wasn't joking. And I agree.
I'd shrug it off if they were raw replicas, since he's covered his butt in the description.
But surely our sponsor has a leg to stand on when it comes to the counterfeiting of their product and trademark, yes?
Edit- hmm- I guess the seller is in China where the "coins" were made. Makes it tougher to go after 'em, I suppose.
I'll bet this sort of stuff is going on in a lot of other markets. Clothing, antique jewelry, just about anything.
I remember when I was a kid, my parents had a bunch of LP records that had been made by Chinese counterfeiters. My stepmother had spent some time in the Far East. I remember one boxed set with all nine Beethoven symphonies, but the one I remember the best was a compilation set called "THE BET OF GILBERT & SULLIVAN". Funny, I didn't know Gilbert & Sullivan were gamblers.
And what's to stop the Chinese from making fake Secure Plus holders?
I haven't followed all the discussions on that yet. Have yet to own my first Secure Plus holder, though I if I heard it correctly, my future Darkside submissions will likely have to go that route.
It's total copyright/trademark infringement. Replicating and counterfeiting of coins and slabs is growing exponentially.
Does PCGS have a task force? This hobby is fragile enough with a struggling economy, we don't need Chinese sellers
pumping these things out, tearing the fabric of our hobby.
ty for the link
looks like i need another big update for my counterfeit cert thread
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Did anyone look up the Cert numbers?
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<< <i>Wow, at $150 a pop those are some expensive fakes. >>
I think their target audience is those that will resell the coin for multiples of $150 here in the US.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>I looked at he non certified coins also, most of the ones I looked at were priced in the $2 range which means they are not silver and probably do not weigh correctly.
Did anyone look up the Cert numbers? >>
i've been providing links to the cert lookup page at pcgs with a link to my thread in the post above yours.
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<< <i>Wow, at $150 a pop those are some expensive fakes. >>
I think their target audience is those that will resell the coin for multiples of $150 here in the US. >>
Unfortuneately it`s this
If the raw "coins" are $2 each and the slabbed "coins" are $150 each, their margin is healthy and yet leaves enough room for US and EU law breakers to make money. Nothing like greed unchecked by morality.
I hope the US can intervene to stop product counterfeiting (or at least deter it greatly). Until then, may PCGS remain vigilant and not raise our submission fees too high to cover the increased expense of ensuring the security of their service and products.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
<< <i>I wonder if the Chinese army is making these right next door to the building where they hack into our computers. >>
No, but they are suspected of massive printing of $100 bills to undermine the US ecomomy (as if Washington needs any help).
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
<< <i>I am so glad Richard Nixon and Henry Kissenger had the wisdom to make us their friends.
Well, we did convince them to buy a lot of our worthless debt.
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
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<< <i>I am so glad Richard Nixon and Henry Kissenger had the wisdom to make us their friends.
Well, we did convince them to buy a lot of our worthless debt. >>
I don't know why they don't just print up their own US Treasury bonds. Come to think of it maybe they do.
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<< <i>Has anyone checked to see if the cert numbers that are showing match up to the same actualy coin? Meaning fake pcgs f-12 1916 D merc cert numbers match real pcgs coins? THIS IS CRAZY >>
Yes, it did match. The one good thing is that PCGS now adds a photo with the cert verification page. You can tell that the coin in this holder is not the coin PCGS photographed. But you get some of those MS grades and it would not be so easy to tell.
<< <i>You say the now add a photo. Is that true for all coins or just some? >>
I think that this is a new feature, so the older coins won't have a photo.
<< <i>the Feds can sieze their .com domain for selling counterfeits. >>
Alibaba is a huge company with a $48 billion valuation in its last funding round. Siezing the .com domain is about as likely as having eBay's domain seized. Ebay's market cap is $71 billion. Alibaba is a bit different of an operation than say MegaUpload which did have its domain and servers seized.
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<< <i>the Feds can sieze their .com domain for selling counterfeits. >>
Alibaba is a huge company with a $48 billion valuation in its last finding round. Siezing the.com domain is about as likely as having eBay's domain seized. Ebay's market cap is $71 billion. Alibaba is a bit different of an operation than say MegaUpload which did have its domain and servers seized. >>
too big to fail
and
too big to sieze?
well, perhaps they will argue they have many more legitimate sellers than not, like ebay.
but they are not above the law.
ICE could remind them of their corcern for selling legal items.
<< <i>too big to fail >>
I think HSBC has shown that some companies are indeed too big to fail, even when found guilty of money laundering for drug dealers.
That being said, it would be good to convince them to address these sellers like the way EBay does.
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3.2 Reproductions or replicas of coins as collectible items must be clearly marked with the word "COPY", "REPRODUCTION", "REPLICA" or as otherwise required under local law.
We can also complain here:
Aliprotect
<< <i>OK, grab your pitchforks and blunderbusses. Line up over there. We'll hand out the flaming torches at the assembly point.
Let's go get 'em, boys. >>
we need cac stickers ( sharpening pitchfork some more )
<< <i>Alibia's policy on coins says:
3.2 Reproductions or replicas of coins as collectible items must be clearly marked with the word "COPY", "REPRODUCTION", "REPLICA" or as otherwise required under local law.
We can also complain here:
Aliprotect >>
Good to know. Let's see if we can get these taken down!