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I can assure you they would find the first bit of your last post ludicrous - buying the slab. And you may find the dealers mentioned by Jeff and I are quite the opposite of your surmise - I have had GEF = good extra fine coins grade out by PCGS as MS65. And BTW, Mark R's or Steve Hill's expertise would FAR outweigh the graders at either PCGS or NGC - not my opinion. Slam dunk, no comparison.
The whole notion of "top pop" is crazy when the pool of slabbed specimens is quite small compared to the overall extant specimens.
PS - sorry help me on the linkify >>
I am not saying there are not great raw coins out there....I have bought many.
I am not so sure about your slam dunk comment and I am not inferring anything about those dealers.......
We can argue all we want about slabs and raw coins and who grades better......but the market for great coins is telling you that when it comes to getting top $$$$ at auction the slab is the way of the future.......
Thanks for the link.
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You are definately welcome, and I might add any chance you have to talk to either of the mentioned principles should likely prove most enlightening.
I would be very surprised if the depth and quality and history, not to mention the offerings of Baldwin would not be staggering to you as even after 20 years it still amazes me. Spink in the olde days was quite similar as well; there is a VERY different ethic when it comes to these dealers...
BTW, you also may want to check and see where Norweb got most of her pieces from....
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<< <i>BA, just give Steve Hill at Baldwin a ring and you are done on that! Better yet, ask his opinion if you are at NYINC as he is usually there.
Yes, we are. Mintage 2,500 is not a lot but demand fairly low. >>
I'm afraid that I'm with bidask on this. I totally get that a commemorative coin should by definition be perfect, but a 67 CAM by PCGS is bringing a lot of money and Mr Hill is no fool. He too follows the rise of prices on British material, and Baldwin's is only one among practically all reputable European coin dealers and auctioneers who submit a lot of coins monthly to PCGS Europe. So far, only Spink has stayed out, because they really do not need to enter this game yet.
With all due respect, they (at Baldwin) are still pulling out OUTRAGEOUS things from the basement and other cracks and crevisses that are NOT certified. Do you know that Steve submits to PCGS/NGC? That is not at all consistent with my experience or knowledge but know that they do resell bits that come into them that are slabbed and graded 65 or higher. As far as "de novo" submissions via personal conversations, that does NOT happen on any consistent basis, if at all.
So I will stick to my previous statements. And though some of my material is slabbed, much in the Brit style is not. Between coins that I have and know I can assure you, and you are absolutely free to doubt that there are 67s, "6"s and all in there.
I will say that if you know them like I do, Brits are a bit reticent and if you do not know them well and vice versa, then it may be hard to get admission to the inner circles. There are some other conncetions for high grade material such as the original consignor for the Cheshire collection et al. but I gave a few to start.
I will again caution the buyer to paying super prices for coins that are only scarcities and not absolute rarities & that many REP crowns (in fact the VAST majority) are not slabbed or have even been viewed by those who have a mind or orientation to slabbing.
Love that Milled British (1830-1960) Well, just Love coins, period.
<< <i>With all due respect, they (at Baldwin) are still pulling out OUTRAGEOUS things from the basement and other cracks and crevisses that are NOT certified. Do you know that Steve submits to PCGS/NGC? That is not at all consistent with my experience or knowledge but know that they do resell bits that come into them that are slabbed and graded 65 or higher. As far as "de novo" submissions via personal conversations, that does NOT happen on any consistent basis, if at all.
So I will stick to my previous statements. And though some of my material is slabbed, much in the Brit style is not. Between coins that I have and know I can assure you, and you are absolutely free to doubt that there are 67s, "6"s and all in there.
I will say that if you know them like I do, Brits are a bit reticent and if you do not know them well and vice versa, then it may be hard to get admission to the inner circles. There are some other conncetions for high grade material such as the original consignor for the Cheshire collection et al. but I gave a few to start.
I will again caution the buyer to paying super prices for coins that are only scarcities and not absolute rarities & that many REP crowns (in fact the VAST majority) are not slabbed or have even been viewed by those who have a mind or orientation to slabbing. >>
Here is one of the better coins in my Brit collection. What sort of grade do you think it would make if slabbed?
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Look at the forum sections.
I can assure you they would find the first bit of your last post ludicrous - buying the slab.
And you may find the dealers mentioned by Jeff and I are quite the opposite of your surmise -
I have had GEF = good extra fine coins grade out by PCGS as MS65.
And BTW, Mark R's or Steve Hill's expertise would FAR outweigh the graders at either PCGS or NGC -
not my opinion. Slam dunk, no comparison.
The whole notion of "top pop" is crazy when the pool of slabbed specimens is quite small
compared to the overall extant specimens.
PS - sorry help me on the linkify >>
I am not saying there are not great raw coins out there....I have bought many.
I am not so sure about your slam dunk comment and I am not inferring anything about those dealers.......
We can argue all we want about slabs and raw coins and who grades better......but the market for great coins is telling you that when it comes to getting top $$$$ at auction the slab is the way of the future.......
Thanks for the link.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
I would be very surprised if the depth and quality and history, not to mention the offerings of Baldwin would not be staggering to you as even after
20 years it still amazes me. Spink in the olde days was quite similar as well; there is a VERY different ethic when it comes to these dealers...
BTW, you also may want to check and see where Norweb got most of her pieces from....
Well, just Love coins, period.
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There is seems to be room for some compromise
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
Look at the forum sections.
I did more than look, I joined......
Had to clarify and correct a poster there who commented about this thread and my offer to buy a PCGS Proof 67 Cameo Rocking horse crown!
It was an interesting thread over there.
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I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
<< <i>BA, just give Steve Hill at Baldwin a ring and you are done on that! Better yet, ask his opinion if you are at NYINC as he is usually there.
Yes, we are. Mintage 2,500 is not a lot but demand fairly low. >>
I'm afraid that I'm with bidask on this. I totally get that a commemorative coin should by definition be perfect, but a 67 CAM by PCGS is bringing a lot of money and Mr Hill is no fool. He too follows the rise of prices on British material, and Baldwin's is only one among practically all reputable European coin dealers and auctioneers who submit a lot of coins monthly to PCGS Europe. So far, only Spink has stayed out, because they really do not need to enter this game yet.
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So I will stick to my previous statements. And though some of my material is slabbed, much in the Brit style is not. Between coins that I have and know I can assure you, and you are absolutely free to doubt that there are 67s, "6"s and all in there.
I will say that if you know them like I do, Brits are a bit reticent and if you do not know them well and vice versa, then it may be hard to get admission to the inner circles. There are some other conncetions for high grade material such as the original consignor for the Cheshire collection et al. but I gave a few to start.
I will again caution the buyer to paying super prices for coins that are only scarcities and not absolute rarities & that many REP crowns (in fact the VAST majority) are not slabbed or have even been viewed by those who have a mind or orientation to slabbing.
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<< <i>With all due respect, they (at Baldwin) are still pulling out OUTRAGEOUS things from the basement and other cracks and crevisses that are NOT certified. Do you know that Steve submits to PCGS/NGC? That is not at all consistent with my experience or knowledge but know that they do resell bits that come into them that are slabbed and graded 65 or higher. As far as "de novo" submissions via personal conversations, that does NOT happen on any consistent basis, if at all.
So I will stick to my previous statements. And though some of my material is slabbed, much in the Brit style is not. Between coins that I have and know I can assure you, and you are absolutely free to doubt that there are 67s, "6"s and all in there.
I will say that if you know them like I do, Brits are a bit reticent and if you do not know them well and vice versa, then it may be hard to get admission to the inner circles. There are some other conncetions for high grade material such as the original consignor for the Cheshire collection et al. but I gave a few to start.
I will again caution the buyer to paying super prices for coins that are only scarcities and not absolute rarities & that many REP crowns (in fact the VAST majority) are not slabbed or have even been viewed by those who have a mind or orientation to slabbing. >>
Here is one of the better coins in my Brit collection. What sort of grade do you think it would make if slabbed?
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I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
<< <i>proof 63 cam >>
So what pointers do you use to determine that grade?
If they are not marks, but rather stains, it may be higher than 63CAM. 64?
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<< <i>proof 63 cam >>
So what pointers do you use to determine that grade? >>
especially the mark in the left obverse field opposite the mouth......it almost looks like a scratch....
Is it a lint mark?
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<< <i>The obverse has marks like erasers, or? Stains?
If they are not marks, but rather stains, it may be higher than 63CAM. 64? >>
Not even close.