<< <i>Gaspipe is a prime example of someone who had bricks like this and he knew about PSA. Im saying there are others that dont grade Im sure. He was 1 example and not the only person who bought like he did Im sure. >>
True. And although I've stated I feel the Brett is safe, you never really know.
Up until somewhat recently, the Casey Stengel card was one of the toughest cards in the 1952 Bowman set. Just like the 1976 Topps Brett, it is located on the corner of a sheet. Out of nowhere, Mastro flooded the market with a boatload of NM-MT and MINT Stengel cards. For many years it was amongst the lowest pop cards in the set and it is now the highest pop card with 43 9's.
For full disclosure, I don't have any skin in this game. It makes zero difference to me personally or financially if the prices skyrocket or plummet. For those that are paying top dollar prices today, I hope more top prices come for years to follow.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, [my] opinion, man.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
"Also, seeing those Gaylord Perrys stacked like that, falling over each other ... even though they are in penny sleeves ... risks damage to the corners. This is exactly why I think the chances in stacks like that are less than people like to think ... just like vending and cello ... the cards are carried and handled in a more risky way than in racks, wax, or card saver 1s. "
They are just fine sitting in my closet that never moves. The penny sleves does a great job in keeping them secure. I dont see that as a problem.
Well I keep them all perfectly in line and have them in penny savers. Then I put them all in a row in a nice box that is strong and secure. Then I put them in my closet and they never move. Havent seen a change in the condtion on one of the cards. I also put buble wrap in the extra space so there is 0 movement. Works just fine. The picture must have scared you the way they were. Dont worry it was just to take a quick picture an none where harmed. But I could tear one in half if you want me to. Ill have to take it out of the penny sleeve though.
<< <i>Well I keep them all perfectly in line and have them in penny savers. Then I put them all in a row in a nice box that is strong and secure. Then I put them in my closet and they never move. Havent seen a change in the condtion on one of the cards. I also put buble wrap in the extra space so there is 0 movement. Works just fine. The picture must have scared you the way they were. Dont worry it was just to take a quick picture an none where harmed. But I could tear one in half if you want me to. Ill have to take it out of the penny sleeve though. >>
I too see this as a non-issue. I picked up a 1973 set that was just sitting raw in a 660 count white box. The cards were mint, mint, mint. If they're sitting in a closet not being disturbed, then they will be fine even with little protection.
If you looked at the historic sales of 1972 Topps Nolan Ryan PSA 10, it would give you a good idea why people are a little skeptical about laying down big bucks on low pop cards.
I always use penny sleeves also and have never had any issues.
For a true beast of a card like the Brett I really don't see that many more Mint 9s coming up unless grading becomes lax.
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Yup, and we've seen some lax grades of late. It's a gamble, but assuming we don't seen a lot of PSA 9 Bretts pop up this should go up in price.
Is there a way to set alerts or look up specific cards and know when a new one has been graded? IE if I want to know that an 11th PSA 9 Brett has been recorded or a 14th Molitor PSA 10, etc is there an easy way?
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Obviously the Brett is a difficult card and will always sell at a premium with no 10's in existence. That said, I'm willing to wager with anyone that the pops in 9's will be higher 5 to 10 years from now and the average prices lower. I'll make that bet 6 days a week and twice on Sundays.
And, obviously, if you don't care about the money, great. Enjoy your cardboard.
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<< <i>Obviously the Brett is a difficult card and will always sell at a premium with no 10's in existence. That said, I'm willing to wager with anyone that the pops in 9's will be higher 5 to 10 years from now and the average prices lower. I'll make that bet 6 days a week and twice on Sundays.
And, obviously, if you don't care about the money, great. Enjoy your cardboard. >>
I agree with this. PSA 7's and 8's should drop as more and more are graded. Can't say that about the 9's
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ClockworkAngel congratulations on your purchase! I may be in the minority but I think you made an excellent purchase.
The card is nicer in my opinion then the last two that sold on EBAY and there is no disputing that this is a Mint condition card.
If you ever get cards reviewed I would suggest doing so with this one. I am not sure what the fee would be on a card in this price range but it would be well worth the cost in the event it bumped to a PSA 10. I realize the chances are low but if this card is as nice in hand as the scans you can not rule that out as a possibility.
In relation to the debate as to whether a card from 1976 is to new to have true scarcity reflected I think it it truly impossible to know but I think in certain cases it is highly probable that it is.
Anyone who has read the boards for any length of time knows I collect wrestling cards. There are still 3 cards from the Wrestling All Stars that have never even graded a PSA 9. There are 40 cards that have never graded a PSA 10 out of 108.
Perhaps the most difficult card from the sets remains the Ric Martel with only one PSA 8 and one PSA 9. There is zero chance that some hidden hoard of high grade Ric Martel's exist.
I personally believe there are certain cards that exist where the design, colors, packaging, centering or position on the sheet stack the deck and make it virtually impossible to find one that has the attributes that are required for a Mint grade.
When using the current population numbers you have an 0.083% chance of receiving a Mint grade on this card. To me the notion that there could be some vast amount of these laying around or yet to be opened in this condition is silly. This card has been an expensive card for a long time and if this were a common and had not been submitted frequently or was just never of any interest perhaps that is one thing but this is one of the best cards to pull from a pack and has been for over 30 years.
Once you receive it in hand please report back your thoughts.
Also there is a speck of wax like stuff above his hand. A solid 9 none the less but not a 10. Most likely the best of the 10 9s graded Ill give it that, but not a straight PSA 10.
Back centering on that card isn't nearly as nice as the one in this thread.
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My guess is that the top left corner will looked touched, and after angling it a bunch you'll see a tiny bump or tiny wrinkle ... or perhaps some colored specs in the borders.
Looking again at the card I see some grey discoloring in the bottom left border and some more in the top center/center right border. My guess is these issues, in combination with any others unseen in the scan, would keep it out of a 10 holder ... especially considering how nice the centering is (this also is assuming the black specs on the face of the card are only from the scanner):
>>
Wow, talk about a buzzkill lol
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Agree with Maurice here--unlike the card Paul scanned, the PWCC is a well deserved Mint 9 and a high end one at that.
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<< <i>Agree with Maurice here--unlike the card Paul scanned, the PWCC is a well deserved Mint 9 and a high end one at that. >>
Top left corner is touched, guessing that alone would keep it out of the 10 holder:
>>
I've seen 10s with corners worse than that and believe it certainly has a shot.
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I've been out of the game a long time and just getting back in the last year, but, who is Maurice and why is his endorsement of the Brett as a good buy so big? (No offense, Maurice, just curious)
I will have the Brett tomorrow. I will let everyone know how it looks first hand. Regardless, I do plan on sending it into PSA to see if I can get a bump. From the 2 pictures I saw at PWCC and ML, it sure looks like it might have a shot...
That, along with the PSA 7 1938 Goudey Dimaggio, a gorgeous PSA 9 1969 Unitas, an 84T Payton that is a WTF 8, and PSA 9 75T Fouts are all worthy of a bump and will be sent in. If I get one of them bumped, I'll feel very fortunate. I'll post scans of all the cards I'm sending in tomorrow and let you know how it goes...
Dpeck, grote, and everyone else, thanks for the kind words and positive support regarding the Brett. It's been on my radar for a while, and couldn't pass that one up
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<< <i>I've been out of the game a long time and just getting back in the last year, but, who is Maurice and why is his endorsement of the Brett as a good buy so big? (No offense, Maurice, just curious)
I will have the Brett tomorrow. I will let everyone know how it looks first hand. Regardless, I do plan on sending it into PSA to see if I can get a bump. From the 2 pictures I saw at PWCC and ML, it sure looks like it might have a shot...
That, along with the PSA 7 1938 Goudey Dimaggio, a gorgeous PSA 9 1969 Unitas, an 84T Payton that is a WTF 8, and PSA 9 75T Fouts are all worthy of a bump and will be sent in. If I get one of them bumped, I'll feel very fortunate. I'll post scans of all the cards I'm sending in tomorrow and let you know how it goes...
Dpeck, grote, and everyone else, thanks for the kind words and positive support regarding the Brett. It's been on my radar for a while, and couldn't pass that one up >>
I've had good success with bumps on review, including several from 9 to 10, but I do think it is more difficult with a high end card like that one. That said, I think you have at least a chance at the bump as we've all seen cards in Gem Mint 10 holders that were no better than that one, and even less so, and for the nominal cost of a review, it is certainly well worth it. Good luck!
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<< <i>There's also the dotting around the "third base" text in the bottom left corner and a white circle above his left hand.
That, plus the touched corner (and any other surface issues that may exist) tells me this will definitely not get a 10.
I understand wanting to try to get the bump, the centering is great, but IMO it's chances aren't good. >>
What do you pay to sub a card like this for a bump? What's the return if you get it? Have you seen a worse 10? If the cost to sub is 1% of the potential return (check) and you can answer "Yes" to the last question, it is a no brainer to me to resub. Sure there are reasons it won't cross...but you can say that about many cards that are in a 10 slab. PSA 10 does not mean perfect. It's a cheap lottery ticket.
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<< <i>There's also the dotting around the "third base" text in the bottom left corner and a white circle above his left hand.
That, plus the touched corner (and any other surface issues that may exist) tells me this will definitely not get a 10.
I understand wanting to try to get the bump, the centering is great, but IMO it's chances aren't good. >>
What do you pay to sub a card like this for a bump? What's the return if you get it? Have you seen a worse 10? If the cost to sub is 1% of the potential return (check) and you can answer "Yes" to the last question, it is a no brainer to me to resub. Sure there are reasons it won't cross...but you can say that about many cards that are in a 10 slab. PSA 10 does not mean perfect. It's a cheap lottery ticket. >>
Yes. A PSA 10 1/1 on this card would be off the charts.
But I'm no idiot. PSA is well aware of the "legendary status" of this card and they're not going to just hand out the 1st PSA 10 to Joe Schmo easily, but you never know
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One thing is certain though--we've all seen 10s with less eye appeal and more issues than that card.
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Received the Brett today. It is absolutely a beauty. Up close and personal, it's such a gorgeous card. A small touched corner in the upper left and a couple minor surface printing flaws, but I have seen far worse 10's. My scanner is worse than PWCC's, so no use scanning, but very pleased to have it in my hands-finally! I will start a new thread when I am ready to have some of these cards reviewed....
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I feel like if they were to bump this to a 10 it would turn it into a 5000 dollar card so that would be doubling your money over night. Good luck I hope it does bump.
Well, over a 1K increase in 15 months sure isn't too bad, good prediction. I think my raw copy is better than that psa 8 that was linked to above.
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269 total graded:
0 10's
0 9.5's
1 9
1 8.5
Wow, that's harsh
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<< <i>Gaspipe is a prime example of someone who had bricks like this and he knew about PSA. Im saying there are others that dont grade Im sure. He was 1 example and not the only person who bought like he did Im sure. >>
True. And although I've stated I feel the Brett is safe, you never really know.
Up until somewhat recently, the Casey Stengel card was one of the toughest cards in the 1952 Bowman set. Just like the 1976 Topps Brett, it is located on the corner of a sheet. Out of nowhere, Mastro flooded the market with a boatload of NM-MT and MINT Stengel cards. For many years it was amongst the lowest pop cards in the set and it is now the highest pop card with 43 9's.
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Yeah, well, that's just, like, [my] opinion, man.
"Also, seeing those Gaylord Perrys stacked like that, falling over each other ... even though they are in penny sleeves ... risks damage to the corners. This is exactly why I think the chances in stacks like that are less than people like to think ... just like vending and cello ... the cards are carried and handled in a more risky way than in racks, wax, or card saver 1s. "
They are just fine sitting in my closet that never moves. The penny sleves does a great job in keeping them secure. I dont see that as a problem.
<< <i>Well I keep them all perfectly in line and have them in penny savers. Then I put them all in a row in a nice box that is strong and secure. Then I put them in my closet and they never move. Havent seen a change in the condtion on one of the cards. I also put buble wrap in the extra space so there is 0 movement. Works just fine. The picture must have scared you the way they were. Dont worry it was just to take a quick picture an none where harmed. But I could tear one in half if you want me to. Ill have to take it out of the penny sleeve though. >>
I too see this as a non-issue. I picked up a 1973 set that was just sitting raw in a 660 count white box. The cards were mint, mint, mint. If they're sitting in a closet not being disturbed, then they will be fine even with little protection.
people are a little skeptical about laying down big bucks on low pop cards.
For a true beast of a card like the Brett I really don't see that many more Mint 9s coming up unless grading becomes lax.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Is there a way to set alerts or look up specific cards and know when a new one has been graded? IE if I want to know that an 11th PSA 9 Brett has been recorded or a 14th Molitor PSA 10, etc is there an easy way?
TheClockworkAngelCollection
And, obviously, if you don't care about the money, great. Enjoy your cardboard.
Buying Vintage, all sports.
Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
<< <i>Obviously the Brett is a difficult card and will always sell at a premium with no 10's in existence. That said, I'm willing to wager with anyone that the pops in 9's will be higher 5 to 10 years from now and the average prices lower. I'll make that bet 6 days a week and twice on Sundays.
And, obviously, if you don't care about the money, great. Enjoy your cardboard. >>
I agree with this. PSA 7's and 8's should drop as more and more are graded. Can't say that about the 9's
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The card is nicer in my opinion then the last two that sold on EBAY and there is no disputing that this is a Mint condition card.
If you ever get cards reviewed I would suggest doing so with this one. I am not sure what the fee would be on a card in this price range but it would be well worth the cost in the event it bumped to a PSA 10. I realize the chances are low but if this card is as nice in hand as the scans you can not rule that out as a possibility.
In relation to the debate as to whether a card from 1976 is to new to have true scarcity reflected I think it it truly impossible to know but I think in certain cases it is highly probable that it is.
Anyone who has read the boards for any length of time knows I collect wrestling cards. There are still 3 cards from the Wrestling All Stars that have never even graded a PSA 9. There are 40 cards that have never graded a PSA 10 out of 108.
Perhaps the most difficult card from the sets remains the Ric Martel with only one PSA 8 and one PSA 9. There is zero chance that some hidden hoard of high grade Ric Martel's exist.
I personally believe there are certain cards that exist where the design, colors, packaging, centering or position on the sheet stack the deck and make it virtually impossible to find one that has the attributes that are required for a Mint grade.
When using the current population numbers you have an 0.083% chance of receiving a Mint grade on this card. To me the notion that there could be some vast amount of these laying around or yet to be opened in this condition is silly. This card has been an expensive card for a long time and if this were a common and had not been submitted frequently or was just never of any interest perhaps that is one thing but this is one of the best cards to pull from a pack and has been for over 30 years.
Once you receive it in hand please report back your thoughts.
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A solid 9 none the less but not a 10. Most likely the best of the 10 9s graded Ill give it that, but not a straight PSA 10.
Brett
<< <i>Suprised nobody posted this.
Brett >>
Back centering on that card isn't nearly as nice as the one in this thread.
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The back of that card would always make me feel the card was a little inferior to the others in a PSA 9 holder. Especially the one just auctioned off.
<< <i>
<< <i>Dpeck...will do, thanks >>
My guess is that the top left corner will looked touched, and after angling it a bunch you'll see a tiny bump or tiny wrinkle ... or perhaps some colored specs in the borders.
Looking again at the card I see some grey discoloring in the bottom left border and some more in the top center/center right border. My guess is these issues, in combination with any others unseen in the scan, would keep it out of a 10 holder ... especially considering how nice the centering is (this also is assuming the black specs on the face of the card are only from the scanner):
Wow, talk about a buzzkill lol
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<< <i> IE if I want to know that an 11th PSA 9 Brett has been recorded or a 14th Molitor PSA 10, etc is there an easy way? >>
Favorite the Population report for the set and check it monthly
<< <i>I was thinking the same thing... buzz kill >>
It's not even the same card. Bubbles is confused.
ClockworkAngel bought the PWCC card, not the 04741574 cert pictured here.
Do you like the card?
ClockworkAngel I still think you did great.
<< <i>Maurice what do you think?
Do you like the card? >>
I think the PWCC Brett is a great card. Rock solid 9.
I tend to not trust PWCC's scans as they are often heavily enhanced but this card looked nice in the Memory Lane scans also.
Job well done CWA.
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1976 Brett PSA 9
Sorry if this was already posted in here.
<< <i>
<< <i>Agree with Maurice here--unlike the card Paul scanned, the PWCC is a well deserved Mint 9 and a high end one at that. >>
Top left corner is touched, guessing that alone would keep it out of the 10 holder:
I've seen 10s with corners worse than that and believe it certainly has a shot.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I will have the Brett tomorrow. I will let everyone know how it looks first hand. Regardless, I do plan on sending it into PSA to see if I can get a bump. From the 2 pictures I saw at PWCC and ML, it sure looks like it might have a shot...
That, along with the PSA 7 1938 Goudey Dimaggio, a gorgeous PSA 9 1969 Unitas, an 84T Payton that is a WTF 8, and PSA 9 75T Fouts are all worthy of a bump and will be sent in. If I get one of them bumped, I'll feel very fortunate. I'll post scans of all the cards I'm sending in tomorrow and let you know how it goes...
Dpeck, grote, and everyone else, thanks for the kind words and positive support regarding the Brett. It's been on my radar for a while, and couldn't pass that one up
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<< <i>I've been out of the game a long time and just getting back in the last year, but, who is Maurice and why is his endorsement of the Brett as a good buy so big? (No offense, Maurice, just curious)
I will have the Brett tomorrow. I will let everyone know how it looks first hand. Regardless, I do plan on sending it into PSA to see if I can get a bump. From the 2 pictures I saw at PWCC and ML, it sure looks like it might have a shot...
That, along with the PSA 7 1938 Goudey Dimaggio, a gorgeous PSA 9 1969 Unitas, an 84T Payton that is a WTF 8, and PSA 9 75T Fouts are all worthy of a bump and will be sent in. If I get one of them bumped, I'll feel very fortunate. I'll post scans of all the cards I'm sending in tomorrow and let you know how it goes...
Dpeck, grote, and everyone else, thanks for the kind words and positive support regarding the Brett. It's been on my radar for a while, and couldn't pass that one up >>
I've had good success with bumps on review, including several from 9 to 10, but I do think it is more difficult with a high end card like that one. That said, I think
you have at least a chance at the bump as we've all seen cards in Gem Mint 10 holders that were no better than that one, and even less so, and for the nominal cost
of a review, it is certainly well worth it. Good luck!
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Maurice starting posting in the past six months or so and many thought he was a troll or an alt or some message board term for a trouble maker.
Instead he turned out to be easily one of the most knowledgeable collectors on here.
I have no clue who he is but I do know the person knows cards and if he likes the card I think that is excellent validation.
<< <i>There's also the dotting around the "third base" text in the bottom left corner and a white circle above his left hand.
That, plus the touched corner (and any other surface issues that may exist) tells me this will definitely not get a 10.
I understand wanting to try to get the bump, the centering is great, but IMO it's chances aren't good. >>
What do you pay to sub a card like this for a bump? What's the return if you get it? Have you seen a worse 10? If the cost to sub is 1% of the potential return (check) and you can answer "Yes" to the last question, it is a no brainer to me to resub. Sure there are reasons it won't cross...but you can say that about many cards that are in a 10 slab. PSA 10 does not mean perfect. It's a cheap lottery ticket.
<< <i>
<< <i>There's also the dotting around the "third base" text in the bottom left corner and a white circle above his left hand.
That, plus the touched corner (and any other surface issues that may exist) tells me this will definitely not get a 10.
I understand wanting to try to get the bump, the centering is great, but IMO it's chances aren't good. >>
What do you pay to sub a card like this for a bump? What's the return if you get it? Have you seen a worse 10? If the cost to sub is 1% of the potential return (check) and you can answer "Yes" to the last question, it is a no brainer to me to resub. Sure there are reasons it won't cross...but you can say that about many cards that are in a 10 slab. PSA 10 does not mean perfect. It's a cheap lottery ticket. >>
Yes. A PSA 10 1/1 on this card would be off the charts.
But I'm no idiot. PSA is well aware of the "legendary status" of this card and they're not going to just hand out the 1st PSA 10 to Joe Schmo easily, but you never know
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And we will agree to disagree. I think it is much closer to a 10 than an 8
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WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
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Congrats on an awesome card!
doubling your money over night. Good luck I hope it does bump.
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Wow this is a strong price for an 8.
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