I really enjoy these articles from PSA however most of them are so ridiculously old. I think it's time to write some new ones with updated info and findings...
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Interesting thread....I agree with others that unopened 1976 stuff seems so much rarer then 1975. I wonder why Topps would cut back on production? In fact, both 1976 and 1977 seem much harder to find than 1973, 1974, or 1975 and then they stepped it up again in 1978...
Anyone else find it humorous that on the PSA web site they list the 1976 PSA 10 as going for $6,000? Where do they come up with this stuff? THere are none that exist, so they just randomly pick a number, and it's always much lower than the likely reality (would think it would be opposite). As others have mentioned this card would probably fetch 15K, though I doubt we'll ever see one
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<< <i>What's funny is that, as a Brett fan, I always dreamed of having his 75 (mini, for me the favorite),76,77,78 in GEM MT...and his 78 is another absolute beast to find in a perfect state. >>
The 79 is actually slightly tougher than the 78 (as of 11/10/12):
79: 3 10s out of 1,111 submitted 78: 3 10s out of 1,019 submitted >>
Yes, it's interesting how all the Brett's in the 70's seem to have issues....
1975: 5,667 176 9's and 8 10's 3.5% 1976: 1,201 10 9's and 0 10's less than 1% Hardest by far 1977: 1,298 170 9's and 11 10's 15% 1978: 1,024 89 9's and 3 10's 9% 1979: 1,116 168 9's and 3 10's 15%
I think including the quantity of 9's definitely tells us the 1978 card is much tougher overall than the 1979 card
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The difference between a higher-end 9 and a 10 is mainly luck of the draw and who is grading the card--some graders just won't give out 10s as freely as others.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>The difference between a higher-end 9 and a 10 is mainly luck of the draw and who is grading the card--some graders just won't give out 10s as freely as others. >>
Which is a total joke IMO.
The difference between a higher-end 9 and a 10 is thousands of dollars in many cases. PSA shouldn't leave it that random and a "luck of the draw" thing.
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<< <i>The difference between a higher-end 9 and a 10 is mainly luck of the draw and who is grading the card--some graders just won't give out 10s as freely as others. >>
Which is a total joke IMO.
The difference between a higher-end 9 and a 10 is thousands of dollars in many cases. PSA shouldn't leave it that random and a "luck of the draw" thing. >>
As long as human beings are doing the grading that will be the case as the concept of grading and judging such ambiguous concepts as "eye appeal" is inherently subjective. Just look at any thread where an OP asks to guess the grade and you will get opinions ranging from 7 to 10 in some cases and from experienced collectors, too. PSA also offers a review service if you feel a high end card for the grade truly deserves a bump and I have had good success doing that, bumping several 9s to 10s. Paying crazy money for 10s is not usually financially sound imo but for collectors who can afford it, that's not usually an issue anyway.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
The under bidder on the auctioned one is who purchased the other one for $3,000. I checked through the feedback and it appears both were paid for and they were happy with the card.
Two of the top three bidders went after the last one auctioned off on EBAY but the current high bidder never place a bid on it.
Once again you never know who is interested in an item.
If the guy is trying to run the price up it is working so far but I do not think it will matter in the end. I would suspect a few more bids come in either way.
Someone mentioned it earlier but the listing says Quantity available: Limited. I love it! That is classic.
The auction is still picking up watchers and is up to 155.
Paul, haven't you been known to bid on higher end 78s and 79s that you already had in your collection?
I don't see anything nefarious about bidding for a card as special as this one if you could afford the first one.
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The current Brett we speak of is likely the best example that exists in a 9. I don't know the nuances of color bleed that were mentioned but after looking it over closely, I can see that in a 10 holder....
Anyone who thinks spending over $3000 for a card produced in 1976 is a good buy given the volume of those cards produced is kidding themselves. Cue the falling knife phrase.
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<< <i>Anyone who thinks spending over $3000 for a card produced in 1976 is a good buy given the volume of those cards produced is kidding themselves. Cue the falling knife phrase. >>
Who cares how many have been produced?
How many PSA 9's have been produced?
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<< <i>Anyone who thinks spending over $3000 for a card produced in 1976 is a good buy given the volume of those cards produced is kidding themselves. Cue the falling knife phrase. >>
How many were produced? No guesses ... facts please. >>
Well, you're the resident 'expert' that buys boxes and racks and cases and produces charts and stuff. Are you asking because you don't know or is it a rhetorical question?
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>Anyone who thinks spending over $3000 for a card produced in 1976 is a good buy given the volume of those cards produced is kidding themselves. Cue the falling knife phrase. >>
Who cares how many have been produced?
How many PSA 9's have been produced? >>
I think the point is that if so much has been produced and a fair amount might be sitting in hands that have never thought to have them graded (or are unopened), the number of PSA 9s could increase materially in the future. I am to some extent in that camp though one wonders why more of them have not been made as of today. >>
I agree to an extent, but with a sample size of 1200 and 10 PSA 9's and 0 PSA 10's I think it's safe to say anyone hoarding these or unopened stuff won't have enough PSA 9's to see a serious jump. The PSA 9 Brett is as rare as the PSA 10 Superstar RC's in the same era (Brett, Dawson, Murray, Molitor, etc). We are as likely to see a big jump in all those as we are the PSA 9 Brett. In fact, the 1976 Topps set seems to be much less produced than the 1975, 77, or 78
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<< <i> In fact, the 1976 Topps set seems to be much less produced than the 1975, 77, or 78 >>
It's a fact that it seems? Is that like saying 'fact of the matter is, I believe...'? Or do you know, for a fact, there were less cards produced in 1976 compared to prior years?
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>I think the likelihood of popping high grade premium cards from what people have raw in hand (not unopened) is extremely small. It's hard enough getting premium examples from unopened material, let alone from cards that have been stored in a binder, shoebox, or other less than ideal holder.
If you're looking for facts, then look at the past sales of unopened 70s material and the frequency of its availability. Prices have gone up and supply has gone down.
I'm sure there are plenty of people, on this board especially, who are hoarding a box or case or two ... but considering how hard it is to even pull those premium examples from even the most pristine unopened product, I think it's safe to say that there won't be any flooding anytime soon ... if ever.
The only way I could see it happen is if someone like Topps, or another entity, had hundreds or thousands of boxes and cases that suddenly hit the market. >>
In which case, we're all screwed!
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<< <i>I'm sure there are plenty of people, on this board especially, who are hoarding a box or case or two ... but considering how hard it is to even pull those premium examples from even the most pristine unopened product, I think it's safe to say that there won't be any flooding anytime soon ... if ever.
The only way I could see it happen is if someone like Topps, or another entity, had hundreds or thousands of boxes and cases that suddenly hit the market. >>
Considering the circumstances, who knows how many boxes and/or cases Felicia still has locked away. They were rolling back in the day, so...
This happened prior to your arrival, so here's a couple threads by searching for author 'ijustlovecards' and 1976 in the body.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
1975 is an anomaly as it was a very popular set with lots of star and rookie cards in stark contrast to the 1976 set which wasn't nearly as popular or as hoarded by guys like Colon and Fritsch. So I'd say that it's not so much that 76 is tougher but was just less saved over the years. By 1978, Topps had also significantly increased production and the notion of cards as worthwhile collectibles had taken hold.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Considering the circumstances, who knows how many boxes and/or cases Felicia still has locked away. They were rolling back in the day, so...
It's never safe to assume anything. >>
Millions of 1976 Topps Brett cards were produced. The best known 1200 survivors have been submitted to PSA. Zero PSA 10's and ten PSA 9's. Some small-time collector who may or may not have a couple cases isn't going to be doing any damage to the pop report.
Even if Fritsch has a couple thousand fresh cases sitting around, I don't think there's much to worry about considering sheet placement and the fact that it doesn't make sense to open them.
Agree with the things said on both sides which doesnt work I know. But I do feel this card is very very tough to find in high grade. I have a raw mint set and my G. Brett has 4 mint corners centered 50-50 TB 65-35 LR but the damn thing is mis cut on LR so it cant grade at all. I made this set from 10 different sets and I didnt have a problem finding really any of the other cards from 1976 centered and Mint but this brett is almost near imposible to find like the one sold. I do think that there is a large stash of these somewhere in collections that most likely dont know anything about PSA. But I bet they are 90% OC or Print problems. But there still is a chance that the pop report could double I feel with these new record prices being paid for this card. everytime we see a low pop key card especially from the 70s we see several pop up. Not saying it will happen but I can only think somehow we will se a few 9s come out of the wood work. Maybe sheet cut that get by or someone makes a call to a conection they have that is hoarding this stuff. And when the pop report goes up on the high end we know the prices go down. With this fear I think it will cause the price to come down. And also 2 just sold back to back. So now 2 big hitters can mark this card off. Also causing the price to come down. Add on a new PSA 9 or 2 and it will go down even quicker I feel. Very tough card but that price was way to high if they were buying to make a profit in the next few years. I think the next one will be in the 2000-2500 range if that high. Also I know people were buying this set/cards in bricks back in the 80s as I somehow have 350 1976 Gaylord perrys all from vending and 80% are mint. I can only think that there were stacks of the Bretts sold as well kept vending fresh. I think there are some stacks of brett out there.
There is for sure a chance someone has a stack like this of Brett. It was his 2nd year card so they would buy them up like this.
<< <i>The best known 1200 survivors have been submitted to PSA >>
You know the world doesn't revolve around the POP report, right?
Seems to me this conversation is usually saved for 50s and limited run product. Perhaps I'm totally wrong and completely off base but, you know...
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
There is for sure a chance someone has a stack like this of Brett. It was his 2nd year card so they would buy them up like this. >>
Gaspipe probably has several stacks like that of every card in the set. And he is or was a bulk submitter. And he's killed the pop report on many a common card from the 1970's.
Agree. Gaspipe is a prime example of someone who had bricks like this and he knew about PSA. Im saying there are others that dont grade Im sure. He was 1 example and not the only person who bought like he did Im sure. Gaspipe or the posibility of another gaspipe find is what scares me about spending 3 large on a 1976 BB card. Thats really what Im saying. Its good for the hobby and I should have no complaints about it. Just saying whats on my mind and I really shouldnt say anything neg and only positive things. I love this hobby. Its full of suprises and mystery. Who know what will come out. They did find several hundred 100 year old cards in Mint to Gem mint. Love this stuff
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This one has fantastic centering on both the front and back.
It could be PWCC scans but the color also looks very sharp and jumps off the card.
I think this one anyone could be happy with in the holder it is in.
Very deserving of a Mint grade to me.
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Anyone else find it humorous that on the PSA web site they list the 1976 PSA 10 as going for $6,000? Where do they come up with this stuff? THere are none that exist, so they just randomly pick a number, and it's always much lower than the likely reality (would think it would be opposite). As others have mentioned this card would probably fetch 15K, though I doubt we'll ever see one
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<< <i>Very nice centering on that 9 IMO ... guessing this card will fetch $3,500+.
I agree PSA needs to upgrade their Registry articles, as well as SMR estimates ... but given the volume that needs revamping it's gonna take a while!
So how many reading this thread through in a bid? Common don't be shy. >>
bubblebath - you should write an article for the 78 and 79 sets. You seem well versed in it enough to part some knowledge.
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<< <i>Very nice centering on that 9 IMO ... guessing this card will fetch $3,500+.
I agree PSA needs to upgrade their Registry articles, as well as SMR estimates ... but given the volume that needs revamping it's gonna take a while!
So how many reading this thread through in a bid? Common don't be shy. >>
bubblebath - you should write an article for the 78 and 79 sets. You seem well versed in it enough to part some knowledge. >>
Good call...
By the way, can I ask why the name "bubblebathgirl"? Or do I want to know?
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I don't think this one was going to fly under the radar.
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<< <i>What's funny is that, as a Brett fan, I always dreamed of having his 75 (mini, for me the favorite),76,77,78 in GEM MT...and his 78 is another absolute beast to find in a perfect state. >>
The 79 is actually slightly tougher than the 78 (as of 11/10/12):
79: 3 10s out of 1,111 submitted
78: 3 10s out of 1,019 submitted >>
Yes, it's interesting how all the Brett's in the 70's seem to have issues....
1975: 5,667 176 9's and 8 10's 3.5%
1976: 1,201 10 9's and 0 10's less than 1% Hardest by far
1977: 1,298 170 9's and 11 10's 15%
1978: 1,024 89 9's and 3 10's 9%
1979: 1,116 168 9's and 3 10's 15%
I think including the quantity of 9's definitely tells us the 1978 card is much tougher overall than the 1979 card
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<< <i>This card is poorly cut in my opinion. I for one wouldn't want to own it. >>
I'm going to guess you're the current high bidder and trying to sway people from bidding LOL. Because the centering looks pretty good to me...
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I see a record setting price for sure on this card.
If any card should be sent in for review it is this one.
This card on any given day is a 10 from the scan.
My $4,300 target may prove to be conservative.
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<< <i>The difference between a higher-end 9 and a 10 is mainly luck of the draw and who is grading the card--some graders just won't give out 10s as freely as others. >>
Which is a total joke IMO.
The difference between a higher-end 9 and a 10 is thousands of dollars in many cases. PSA shouldn't leave it that random and a "luck of the draw" thing.
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<< <i>The difference between a higher-end 9 and a 10 is mainly luck of the draw and who is grading the card--some graders just won't give out 10s as freely as others. >>
Which is a total joke IMO.
The difference between a higher-end 9 and a 10 is thousands of dollars in many cases. PSA shouldn't leave it that random and a "luck of the draw" thing. >>
As long as human beings are doing the grading that will be the case as the concept of grading and judging such ambiguous concepts as "eye appeal" is inherently subjective. Just look at any thread where an OP asks to guess the grade and you will get opinions ranging from 7 to 10 in some cases and from experienced collectors, too. PSA also offers a review service if you feel a high end card for the grade truly deserves a bump and I have had good success doing that, bumping several 9s to 10s. Paying crazy money for 10s is not usually financially sound imo but for collectors who can afford it, that's not usually an issue anyway.
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the high value of certain cards does not necessarily pertain to anything other than people trying to win a competition.
without the placement of a paid opinion and a competition, how much do we believe a gorgeous 1976 Topps George Brett baseball card is really worth?
the debate isn't about whether PSA gets it right or wrong. it's neither. it's about what we choose to believe when presented with such opinions.
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<< <i>gotta love free publicity >>
Burger King sucks.
Two of the top three bidders went after the last one auctioned off on EBAY but the current high bidder never place a bid on it.
Once again you never know who is interested in an item.
This has to launch on the close.
If that were the case one could argue something is wrong with just about every item I bid on.
It is just as easily possible that the person wants to own another one and realizes if they take down another one it becomes even more rare.
Someone mentioned it earlier but the listing says Quantity available: Limited. I love it! That is classic.
The auction is still picking up watchers and is up to 155.
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I don't see anything nefarious about bidding for a card as special as this one if you could afford the first one.
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Definitely not much fireworks on the close but obviously still a strong price.
I think this was a great buy and especially in relation to the last two that sold.
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<< <i>Anyone who thinks spending over $3000 for a card produced in 1976 is a good buy given the volume of those cards produced is kidding themselves. Cue the falling knife phrase. >>
Who cares how many have been produced?
How many PSA 9's have been produced?
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<< <i>Anyone who thinks spending over $3000 for a card produced in 1976 is a good buy given the volume of those cards produced is kidding themselves. Cue the falling knife phrase. >>
How many were produced? No guesses ... facts please. >>
Well, you're the resident 'expert' that buys boxes and racks and cases and produces charts and stuff. Are you asking because you don't know or is it a rhetorical question?
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<< <i>Anyone who thinks spending over $3000 for a card produced in 1976 is a good buy given the volume of those cards produced is kidding themselves. Cue the falling knife phrase. >>
Who cares how many have been produced?
How many PSA 9's have been produced? >>
I think the point is that if so much has been produced and a fair amount might be sitting in hands that have never thought to have them graded (or are unopened), the number of PSA 9s could increase materially in the future. I am to some extent in that camp though one wonders why more of them have not been made as of today. >>
I agree to an extent, but with a sample size of 1200 and 10 PSA 9's and 0 PSA 10's I think it's safe to say anyone hoarding these or unopened stuff won't have enough PSA 9's to see a serious jump. The PSA 9 Brett is as rare as the PSA 10 Superstar RC's in the same era (Brett, Dawson, Murray, Molitor, etc). We are as likely to see a big jump in all those as we are the PSA 9 Brett. In fact, the 1976 Topps set seems to be much less produced than the 1975, 77, or 78
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<< <i> In fact, the 1976 Topps set seems to be much less produced than the 1975, 77, or 78 >>
It's a fact that it seems? Is that like saying 'fact of the matter is, I believe...'? Or do you know, for a fact, there were less cards produced in 1976 compared to prior years?
<< <i>I think the likelihood of popping high grade premium cards from what people have raw in hand (not unopened) is extremely small. It's hard enough getting premium examples from unopened material, let alone from cards that have been stored in a binder, shoebox, or other less than ideal holder.
If you're looking for facts, then look at the past sales of unopened 70s material and the frequency of its availability. Prices have gone up and supply has gone down.
I'm sure there are plenty of people, on this board especially, who are hoarding a box or case or two ... but considering how hard it is to even pull those premium examples from even the most pristine unopened product, I think it's safe to say that there won't be any flooding anytime soon ... if ever.
The only way I could see it happen is if someone like Topps, or another entity, had hundreds or thousands of boxes and cases that suddenly hit the market. >>
In which case, we're all screwed!
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<< <i>I'm sure there are plenty of people, on this board especially, who are hoarding a box or case or two ... but considering how hard it is to even pull those premium examples from even the most pristine unopened product, I think it's safe to say that there won't be any flooding anytime soon ... if ever.
The only way I could see it happen is if someone like Topps, or another entity, had hundreds or thousands of boxes and cases that suddenly hit the market. >>
Considering the circumstances, who knows how many boxes and/or cases Felicia still has locked away. They were rolling back in the day, so...
This happened prior to your arrival, so here's a couple threads by searching for author 'ijustlovecards' and 1976 in the body.
Link
Link 2
It's never safe to assume anything.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Considering the circumstances, who knows how many boxes and/or cases Felicia still has locked away. They were rolling back in the day, so...
It's never safe to assume anything. >>
Millions of 1976 Topps Brett cards were produced. The best known 1200 survivors have been submitted to PSA. Zero PSA 10's and ten PSA 9's. Some small-time collector who may or may not have a couple cases isn't going to be doing any damage to the pop report.
Even if Fritsch has a couple thousand fresh cases sitting around, I don't think there's much to worry about considering sheet placement and the fact that it doesn't make sense to open them.
To be honest, no direction, but...
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There is for sure a chance someone has a stack like this of Brett. It was his 2nd year card so they would buy them up like this.
<< <i>The best known 1200 survivors have been submitted to PSA >>
You know the world doesn't revolve around the POP report, right?
Seems to me this conversation is usually saved for 50s and limited run product. Perhaps I'm totally wrong and completely off base but, you know...
<< <i>I'm totally wrong and completely off base >>
Agreed.
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So that's what a mirage looks like.
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There is for sure a chance someone has a stack like this of Brett. It was his 2nd year card so they would buy them up like this. >>
Gaspipe probably has several stacks like that of every card in the set. And he is or was a bulk submitter. And he's killed the pop report on many a common card from the 1970's.
In my opinion, the Brett is safe.