Opinions sought - 1805 Draped Bust Quarter

pursuitofliberty

If you would care to comment, I would like you to consider the coin below and offer your thoughts.


First, a few things I know about the coin (or can see in hand);

She is a B-4 marriage, which is scarce, and is the same die pair that was reused for the 1806/5 overdate (B-1). The reverse die was further reused in the 1807 (B-1).

She is raw. Studying her in hand there are no signs of damage other than wear and old toned over marks (thin slide marks / "pin" scrapes). I see no signs of cleaning I can detect, no tom-foolery. Her strike was never full, but I think she had a reasonably good definition when she came off the press, and has a nice even rim with good reeding.



Although I do not plan on having her graded anytime soon, I am curious if you think she will, and what you think she would garner at our host. Any other thoughts you have on her would be most welcome.







Thanks for looking!

mbogoman

I'll play! I'll go with VF30 +-5, depending on the grader's previous night...

TomB

I assume the coin is not glossy. If not glossy, then I would certainly hope it would receive a clean grade. I would call this a VF25.

LanceNewmanOCC

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123cents

Very nice! VF-20.

STONE

I agree with the other comments, very nice piece.

I don't think that coin is better than a VF-20

hchcoin

Nice coin

stealer

20, deep wear in the devices.

It's funny how the inside of the eagle's wings around this grade level always appear to be either very prominent and well struck and protected by the outer feathers or poorly struck and well worn and level with the rest of the wing.

Baley

That's a nice coin for the type, probably VF25 details and above average surface color and quality, nets 20 or so for the pinscratches IMO but it will grade.

PonyExpress8

I like it very much. I am at the 20 level.

Meltdown

I can see VF25. Nice looking coin! Is it any darker in hand?

bidask

Fine 15 with the pin scrapes causing a notch down.

Raybo

20ish

jmcu12

I'll say 12 maybe 15

michiganboy

I'm in the f15 crowd.

Billet7

Yes.


I would think a 20.

magikbilly

That is very attractive! 20ish and looking original - nice coin all around and presenting a good appearance.

Eric

USMoneylover

I'm in the VF20 crowd, nice looking piece!

robkool

VF25...

mirabela

VF20, I guess, though I'm no whiz-bang at grading those. It looks nice & original from here.

1TwoBits

I'm also in the VF20 range.

Nice B-4.

bosco5041

I like early coins with that look, F15 on a good day vf20

coinkat

15 seems right

BillJones

It is a nice, pleasant coin, but my grade is lower than the average at Fine-15.

pursuitofliberty

I really appreciate all the comments here and through PM's.

Due to the strike inconsistancies and some of the marks, I was quite curious what you all thought.

As for my take ... it is a touch darker in hand than the picture. I'm still working on balancing that skill.

I like the look of her in hand, and appreciate her for what she is.

I feel she is a F15+ to VF20, although I have seen worse in 20 (and even 25) holders. I believe that she has a 85%+ chance for a straight grade (sometimes you just never know). I may have paid a little too much for her (from a common marriage standpoint), but it's hard to determine what extra value the marriage might be worth. IMO all DBQ's are pretty rare in the long run, so other than the biggest rarities, I don't think it add's a significant premium ... but I could be wrong.

Based on your input, and my feeling in hand, I'm going to catalogue her in my notes as a F18 ... and we'll figure out what our hosts say later.

According to what I know about her provinance, the coin was puchased from Dick Osburn 2005 by it's former owner (a pretty well known quarter guy ) before it came to me.

Thanks again for all the comments!