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AU-58+ -- Anyone upgrading their slider set to the new grade level?

MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,748 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Top AU58 is no longer top AU grade.

Who's upgrading to the plus?
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    hahaha

    this is probably the only time i can say this and it not be in spiteful context

    i hope your coins don't grade too high!
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  • NickcapNickcap Posts: 977 ✭
    I have a few of the AU58+ Coins already.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,817 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What's next? MS70+?

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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    An AU58+ set? Now THAT would be an accomplishment.



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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No I'm waiting to upgrade until there's AU-59+'s. image
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  • OnlyGoldIsMoneyOnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OK - I'll bite.

    What is the process for determining if a pile of AU 58's qualify for the plus?
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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>OK - I'll bite.

    What is the process for determining if a pile of AU 58's qualify for the plus? >>



    Uh, you mail them and a check to California and see what happens?
  • HyperionHyperion Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭
    when they designate the AU-60 - (minus) I'm IN.
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  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,515 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>OK - I'll bite.

    What is the process for determining if a pile of AU 58's qualify for the plus? >>



    Uh, you mail them and a check to California and see what happens? >>




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  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>An AU58+ set? Now THAT would be an accomplishment. >>


    For what? Getting the most black "+"'s on your insert labels?
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,817 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can we assume an AU58+ is the same as an AU59?

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  • SamByrdSamByrd Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭✭
    I am waiting until they have a -/+ grade I can have a au59- or a au58 + A 58/59 +/- Would be the ultimate.
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    I couldn't pass up a 58+ a few months ago,
    even though I wasn't searching for one.

    I was looking at Heritage Live for SLQ's to
    upgrade my set, and a nice 1930-P in 58+
    was just smiling at me... Had to take her home !!
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  • OnlyGoldIsMoneyOnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can think of at least four of the PCGS/CAC AU-58 coins in my set that get mighty scarce in MS. There are no PCGS AU-58+ examples for any of them.

    I'll submit them in Baltimore next month.
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What's next? MS70+? >>



    No it has been stated many times MS69 and MS70 coins are not eligible for + grades.

    And it has been proven already that in some cases coins going for the AU58+ can and do end up as MS coins.

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  • JcarneyJcarney Posts: 3,154 ✭


    << <i>Can we assume an AU58+ is the same as an AU59? >>



    No, that would be the same as assuming an MS65+ is the same as MS66.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,817 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Can we assume an AU58+ is the same as an AU59? >>



    No, that would be the same as assuming an MS65+ is the same as MS66. >>



    No. There's a big difference. PCGS doesn't use the AU59 grade while they do use the MS66 grade. An MS65+ can be considered to be an MS65.5 since it's half way to the next higher grade just as an AU58+ can be considered an AU59 which is half way to the next higher grade above AU58.

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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I won't try. I'm afraid some will come back MS. image
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  • JcarneyJcarney Posts: 3,154 ✭


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    << <i>

    << <i>Can we assume an AU58+ is the same as an AU59? >>



    No, that would be the same as assuming an MS65+ is the same as MS66. >>



    No. There's a big difference. PCGS doesn't use the AU59 grade... >>



    Yet. I was waiting for this response. image actually, I was just being facetious.
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  • NickcapNickcap Posts: 977 ✭
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    Morgan Everyman Set
    Member, Society of Silver Dollar Collectors.
    Looking for PCGS AU58+ 1901-P, 1896-O, & 1894-O
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>image >>



    Here's a pre + era AU58... How do these two coins differ image

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  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    Just get a au58 cac, means same thing
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Just get a au58 cac, means same thing >>



    True as CAC doesn't consider the + when stickering...

    So a AU58+ is just being reviewed for being a solid AU58.
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Just get a au58 cac, means same thing >>



    True as CAC doesn't consider the + when stickering...

    So a AU58+ is just being reviewed for being a solid AU58. >>



    Being reviewed and being valued on the open market are two totally different things.image
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I won't try. I'm afraid some will come back MS. image
    Lance. >>



    Can you specify a maximum grade? image
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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I won't try. I'm afraid some will come back MS. image
    Lance. >>



    Can you specify a maximum grade? image >>



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  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,680 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Don't believe in upgrades. Buy the coin you like in the first place.

    Every time you buy or sell a coin, there's a minimum of a 10% of the selling price (could be quite a bit more) that is going into someone else's pocket.

    So you lose this fee when you bought your first coin, again on the second coin, and a third time when you sell the first coin. If you bought a nice coin in the first place and have luck timing the market, you can still make money, but for most of us, that's the exception, not the rule.

    I rarely resubmit either, for similar reasons. I think too many people get so hung up with the marketing, that they lose sight of the fact that they are buying / selling the coin.
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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>What's next? MS70+? >>



    No it has been stated many times MS69 and MS70 coins are not eligible for + grades.

    And it has been proven already that in some cases coins going for the AU58+ can and do end up as MS coins.

    image >>



    But it was also stated many times that 2009 UHRs would not be designated PL, that no-grades would not be given a details grade, that no-grades would not be holdered, that plus grades would not be given, etc.

    I guess I'm just saying that things change and maybe at some future date there will be ......... MS69+, MS71s? Who knows.
  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>What's next? MS70+? >>



    No it has been stated many times MS69 and MS70 coins are not eligible for + grades.

    And it has been proven already that in some cases coins going for the AU58+ can and do end up as MS coins.

    image >>



    And lowly nasty MS60's and 61's are such dogs they can't merit a + in any circumstance....

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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>What's next? MS70+? >>



    No it has been stated many times MS69 and MS70 coins are not eligible for + grades.

    And it has been proven already that in some cases coins going for the AU58+ can and do end up as MS coins.

    image >>



    But it was also stated many times that 2009 UHRs would not be designated PL, that no-grades would not be given a details grade, that no-grades would not be holdered, that plus grades would not be given, etc.

    I guess I'm just saying that things change and maybe at some future date there will be ......... MS69+, MS71s? Who knows. >>



    Who Knows maybe it's all aimed to get us to accept the computer grading 100 point scale that was discussed years ago.
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Can we assume an AU58+ is the same as an AU59? >>

    Doesn't the "+" indicate a coin which is in the top 30% for "the grade"? Meaning a "high end" AU58?
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,817 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Can we assume an AU58+ is the same as an AU59? >>

    Doesn't the "+" indicate a coin which is in the top 30% for "the grade"? Meaning a "high end" AU58? >>



    As long as they don't use the AU59 grade, the next higher grade is MS60 so it could mean a 58+, 59, or 59+. This is just speculation on my part for discussion purposes of course.

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