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09-S VDB and 14-D... real or not?

Not an expert on Lincolns, but I was asked about these two. Any opinions regarding authenticity?

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There aren't my pictures and I can't provide others at this time, but any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

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  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭✭
    I don't collect Lincolns but I would be wary of the 09SVDB because the devices look off for some reason.
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,709 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think both coins are fine.

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  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    these look like the ones my countrymen make by the barrelfuls in China. j/k haha image
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,767 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 09-SVDB looks fake because of the style of the mintmark. The 14-D appears okay but it's hard to authenticate these coins without a closeup pic of the date/mintmark area of each coin.

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  • JcarneyJcarney Posts: 3,154
    They both look ok, but obviously having the coin in-hand is the only way to tell for sure. The 09s vdb looks to be a cleaned AU. The 14d a VF with some verdigris going on.
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  • anoldgoatanoldgoat Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭
    It’s probably just me. Its kinda looking at a mannequin instead of a person, something isn’t right. The reverse is too flat. Are those pics from a scanner?
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  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Give me a blow-up of the mint mark, or take a look at the inside top loop of the "s" with a good loop, in the die chip there?
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  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Both are genuine
  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,511 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The VDB does not look right to me. The 14D also look wrong to me.


  • ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm far from a specialist in these...but they both look good to me.
  • It could very well be the pictures, but something looks off on the 09 to me.
  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭
    Totals so far:

    09-S VDB: 4 good, 4 bad
    14-D: 5 good, 1 bad

    Not included above: undecideds

    FWIW, the picture is a scan and the coins come from a collection put together from circulation in the late 30's/early 40's.
  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,907 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am going with both good.

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  • IrishMikeyIrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭
    The 1914-D is genuine, no problems. The 1909-S VDB appears to be Die 3 at first glance,
    and the spacing of the letters and dots in VDB are correct. It does look a little odd, which
    might just be the lighting.
  • JcarneyJcarney Posts: 3,154


    << <i>The 1914-D is genuine, no problems. The 1909-S VDB appears to be Die 3 at first glance,
    and the spacing of the letters and dots in VDB are correct. It does look a little odd, which
    might just be the lighting. >>



    I'd say the verdigris is a problem on the 14d. Don't the TPGs bag these as environmental damage? Yeah, I know...nothing really gets "bagged" anymore.
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  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    Need closer pics of the MMs to be sure.

    The 14-d looks like it has corrosion around IN GOD.
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  • From the pictures, I'd buy both of them.
    I say, both good.
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  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,397 ✭✭✭✭✭
    '14-D looks genuine.S-VDB,I suspect is fake.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,723 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd say that the 1914-D is genuine, but as everyone can see, it has problems.

    The 1909-S-VDB is a tough call. We really need a close-up of the mint mark. I lean toward counterfeit because the relief (too low, design detail not a sharp as it should be) does not look right to me for this date, but I'm far from certain about that call.
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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,106 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the 14 d looks ok to me. im not sure about the vdb thou.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,767 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>FWIW, the picture is a scan and the coins come from a collection put together from circulation in the late 30's/early 40's. >>



    How do you know this is true? I've seen modern counterfeits where the seller claims that the coin was in their family for many generations.

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  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>How do you know this is true? I've seen modern counterfeits where the seller claims that the coin was in their family for many generations. >>

    Because the coins belong to the wife of a friend of mine who inherited them from her father, and that's what he told her. I have no reason to doubt the story.
  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭
    Here's a better picture of the date/mm on the 09-S:

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