authentic or not? what do you think?
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been staring at a lot of fakes today
probably just the lighting on these throwing me off
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Real, old and tired!
bob
Eric
Eric
<< <i>I think the 21-S is a fake. No clue why someone would fake this issue but it is strange how the centre of the coin is worn and the outsides are sharp. The font bothers me too. >>
i added to my counterfeit database until I can prove otherwise.
<< <i>No clue why someone would fake this issue >>
the answer to this inquiry is actually quite easy. because they can. because they choose to. what pathetic reasons they use to justify it is another matter entirely.
maybe it is a challenge. just to prove they can. i can go on for hours but i shant.
here is a low-value issue (to most of us anyway) but $15-35 in certain parts of the world, or maybe if sold in quantity can be worth it to someone. we seem to think it is only adults committing minor/major crimes these days, but nothing is further from the truth.
so without further ado, here is a coin i contacted a buyer about but i don't know if the customer was unaware or part of the fraud.
here is the link to my counterfeit thread. i'll probably add some more here soon. unfortunately, there are plenty to add
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"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
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<< <i>I think the 21-S is a fake. No clue why someone would fake this issue but it is strange how the centre of the coin is worn and the outsides are sharp. The font bothers me too. >>
i added to my counterfeit database until I can prove otherwise.
<< <i>No clue why someone would fake this issue >>
the answer to this inquiry is actually quite easy. because they can. because they choose to. what pathetic reasons they use to justify it is another matter entirely.
maybe it is a challenge. just to prove they can. i can go on for hours but i shant.
here is a low-value issue (to most of us anyway) but $15-35 in certain parts of the world, or maybe if sold in quantity can be worth it to someone. we seem to think it is only adults committing minor/major crimes these days, but nothing is further from the truth.
so without further ado, here is a coin i contacted a buyer about but i don't know if the customer was unaware or part of the fraud.
Ah, some back-up.
Best wishes,
Eric
The 1890-O appears real-but sometimes it is hard to discern from photos.
at best the 21S is cleaned.
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
<< <i>I think the 21-S is a fake. No clue why someone would fake this issue but it is strange how the centre of the coin is worn and the outsides are sharp. The font bothers me too. >>
I agree that the 1921-S looks funky although that date looks odd when it is genuine. If it is not made of silver the reason is simple. The Chinese are now making fake dollars out of steel for the flea market trade. They can make make them look like they have seen some circulation with some toning and sell them for the assumed silver content or maybe a little more.
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<< <i>I think the 21-S is a fake. No clue why someone would fake this issue but it is strange how the centre of the coin is worn and the outsides are sharp. The font bothers me too. >>
I agree that the 1921-S looks funky although that date looks odd when it is genuine. If it is not made of silver the reason is simple. The Chinese are now making fake dollars out of steel for the flea market trade. They can make make them look like they have seen some circulation with some toning and sell them for the assumed silver content or maybe a little more. >>
Lance---Have you checked this coin with a magnet to see if it's steel or performed a ring test to at least make sure it's silver?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
<< <i>Revisited...human nature should take hold here, like say one of the two are bogus or they BOTH are, or why would you take the time and effort to post two genuine coins, then ask if they are? >>
the first one's obverse does have me a little bothered but I don't know morgans well
<< <i>Remember that all 1921s are from a reengraved master hub, different than all the other dates. All 21s look different than the earlier coins. >>
I must remember that
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<< <i>Remember that all 1921s are from a reengraved master hub, different than all the other dates. All 21s look different than the earlier coins. >>
I must remember that >>
I think you and I and most everyone knew it was "a 21" before we scrolled down
Have a good night
Eric
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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<< <i>why would you take the time and effort to post two genuine coins, then ask if they are >>
i wouldn't do this unless i had prefaced that i think they are authentic and am just testing others. i really do not like the 21-s and the date on the worn 1890 O looks off to me, but is probably ok
which is why i sought others opinions before taking action. also it is educational and beneficial to have counterfeit threads at a minimum, every couple of weeks.
i've seen all kinds of counterfeits slip by all kinds of people, and i've probably missed some myself and the threat of them is doing nothing but rising, and not only coins. there are sub-quality products
with sub-quality components/materials being used that are flat-out dangerous and toxic at the least because the places where the crap is made has absolutely no regulation. you know since it is
being made illegally and underground n all. one last thought about why counterfeit anything can cause major problems, the financing can and does quite frequently go on to fund much more malicious
activities that make the counterfeiting seems like a ride at disney land.
<< <i>Lance---Have you checked this coin with a magnet to see if it's steel or performed a ring test to at least make sure it's silver? >>
i do not have these coins so i cannot perform any other tests to my knowledge
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Ah, some back-up. The 21-S just doesn't look right.
Best wishes,
Eric >>
ya, i thought it best to show at least one example where value is not always a consideration when participating in destructive behavior. i watch some leading experts talk about a large number of
criminals doing their deeds JUST to cause chaos. people like to be surrounded by what makes them feel comfortable and for chaotic people, nothing is better than to be surrounded by chaos. i don't
make the rules, but i've come to understand them quite well and in most cases, quite surprisingly, the reasons are simple and obvious if we simply open our eyes.
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since this is supposed to be educational, one thing i have learned and subverts all weighing, ring testing, surface color, fonts, styles etc is die polishing.
just recently i was able to form an opinion that a $2.5 indian was authentic that was called a counterfeit just by seeing the common and unique die polishing and while it may be counterfeited, i have yet
to see 1 single example on a counterfeit out of hundreds (not many i know) that has this and if and when i do, will be like everything else, they will screw it up too
and i will be thankful for their lack of skills, funds, determination or whatever drives them.
so all of that was to say, i don't see any die polishing on the 21-s, anywhere.
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So as melt value items weight is a important consideration and if not known then stay away.
All 1921 Morgans look odd.