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Have you ever seen a misplaced mint mark on a 1911-d quarter eagle?

I came across on in my travels and wondered if this could be a genuine coin or a counterfeit. The D is very high, almost into the design above the head of the arrow. What thinks the crowd?

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,860 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I came across on in my travels and wondered if this could be a genuine coin or a counterfeit. The D is very high, almost into the design above the head of the arrow. What thinks the crowd? >>



    My understanding is that only one reverse die was used to make this low mintage coin.

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  • AhrensdadAhrensdad Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭
    I think the coin would have an added mint mark.
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  • MilkmanDanMilkmanDan Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think the coin would have an added mint mark. >>


    Agreed, this is a date commonly seen with added mint mark, for obvious reasons.
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When I purchased one at the bazaar, the mint mark fell off, I put it in my pocket, and I have not seen it since. Is that what you are talking about? image
  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    Altered mint mark.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,763 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I came across on in my travels and wondered if this could be a genuine coin or a counterfeit. The D is very high, almost into the design above the head of the arrow. What thinks the crowd? >>



    My understanding is that only one reverse die was used to make this low mintage coin. >>



    Correct.
    TD
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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I came across on in my travels and wondered if this could be a genuine coin or a counterfeit. The D is very high, almost into the design above the head of the arrow. What thinks the crowd? >>



    My understanding is that only one reverse die was used to make this low mintage coin. >>

    When it comes to this coin I trust no one's advice more than Perry's.
    Lance.
  • superpsychmdsuperpsychmd Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭
    Thanks folks! You guys are the best!
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Agreed.... highly counterfeited coin.. walk away. Cheers, RickO
  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One of the prime positive diagnostics for this date is a wire rim on the reverse from roughly 10:00-12:30. In this instance (MM position) that may not be relevant.image
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,763 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>One of the prime positive diagnostics for this date is a wire rim on the reverse from roughly 10:00-12:30. In this instance (MM position) that may not be relevant.image >>



    It is always possible that a very early die state specimen could be found someday that was struck before the collar clash occured which caused the die misalignment which caused the wire rim. However, the coin could still be authenticated via the die scratch at the upper arrow points.

    We always used to say that all genuine 1918/7-D nickels had the die crack at the top of the braid, until I saw a high grade very early die state coin that did not have it. Only ever saw the one.

    TD
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,860 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>One of the prime positive diagnostics for this date is a wire rim on the reverse from roughly 10:00-12:30. In this instance (MM position) that may not be relevant.image >>



    All the 1911-D quarter eagles that I've seen have a wire rim from about 10:00 to 4:00 due to a slightly misaligned die. There is also scalloping marks on the edge at 12:00 where the edge of the die hit the reeded collar. Also, there is a vertical die polish mark inside the recess just to the left of the tip of the arrow heads which is still visible on even low grade examples where the mintmark is wore off. That is the die marker that PCGS uses to authenticate the so called "weak D" variety even when there is no remaining trace of the mintmark left.

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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Your description is much more technically accurate than mine. Thanks. I was referring to the scalloping. Always been my quick-and-dirty...
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,837 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fake mint mark for sure.

    If anything the mint mark on that coin is sometimes so low that you can't see it. Those coins are severely discounted and not a smart buy. They are the so-called "weak D."
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