Many here know or are at least familiar with Hard Times tokens and other privately minted US tokens,

coinsarefun

......do not understand "Conder" or British private tokens and how they are so very closely related to US tokens and coinage

In my opinion this information belongs on the US coin side as the "Darksiders" already know this.

And many Colonial coinage(tokens) are Conder tokens.

I thought I would give a link to what I feel is one of the best explanations of British tokens and they are tied into American tokens and coinage.
I hope will bring some to understand how they are closely related.

There are a few pages of reading but at the top of the page is a video and if you have the time to watch the
video it is quite entertaining and informative.

Link to video and written information


Edited to correct afew things since I did this on my iPad

ThePennyLady

Stefanie, you have put together a wonderful and informative site on Conder tokens! On behalf of all Conder token enthusiasts and potential Conder token enthusiasts, a BIG THANK YOU! GREAT JOB!!!

coinsarefun

Thanks Charmy, I can't take the credit for the article......it goes to William McKivor.
He was kind enough to allow his article on my website.





I think the video......even though quite long gives an excellent insight into minting private money and setting up real minting processes

jesbroken

Steph,
Thank you so much for this post. I truly enjoyed the video(all one hour of it). I had no knowledge of such historical provenance of
the Conder Tokens.
I appreciate your work in providing the information.
Jim

Broadstruck

Another highly informative web site is currently in the works and should go live towards the end of this year.

It will feature the finest most extensive Conder token collection ever assembled by an American collector.

coinsarefun

<< <i>Another highly informative web site is currently in the works and should go live towards the end of this year.

It will feature the finest most extensive Conder token collection ever assembled by an American collector. >>










Who is the collector that is going to be launching the website ?

coinsarefun

<< <i>Another highly informative web site is currently in the works and should go live towards the end of this year.

It will feature the finest most extensive Conder token collection ever assembled by an American collector. >>







Who is the collector your are speaking about?
I would imagine all of us would be interested in hearing about this new site of information.

ThePennyLady

<< <i>Another highly informative web site is currently in the works and should go live towards the end of this year.

It will feature the finest most extensive Conder token collection ever assembled by an American collector. >>



Frank, Why wouldn't you say who's collection it is - is it a secret? The only person I can think of who has the largest collection I know of is Jerry Bobbe so perhaps he is featuring his personal collection on a website? It would be appreciated if you wouldn't be so cryptic.

mrearlygold

coinsarefun

Some really cool Conder's........maybe Charmy will post some too








I always thought this one was neat









and what's a Conder without Conder's






And a Conder token that is a US Colonial

coinsarefun

And, speaking of Thomas Paine






"These are the times that try men's souls." This simple quotation from Founding Father Thomas Paine's The American Crisis not
only describes the beginnings of the American Revolution, but also the life of Paine himself. Throughout most of his life, his writings inspired passion,
but also brought him great criticism. He communicated the ideas of the Revolution to common farmers as easily as to intellectuals,
creating prose that stirred the hearts of the fledgling United States. He had a grand vision for society:
he was staunchly anti-slavery, and he was one of the first to advocate a world peace organization and social security for the poor and elderly.
But his radical views on religion would destroy his success, and by the end of his life, only a handful of people attended his funeral.



Read here about Thomas Paine

mkman123

I'd wager that collector launching a informative site might be our own Broadstruck!!

ambro51

Did Condor tokens in any way appear in the circulating coppers either in the US or Canada? What is the "lowball" status of these or are all in a basically MS condition?

coinsarefun

<< <i>Did Condor tokens in any way appear in the circulating coppers either in the US or Canada? What is the "lowball" status of these or are all in a basically MS condition? >>






In a few words......they did not, however some Conder tokens found their way into circulation in the U.S. and are included in the Red Book under colonial coins.
They are similar to HTT's, CWT's and Merchant tokens, most were heavily used and some are very rare. Others were minted just for collectors.

BillJones

If it is listed in DeWitt / Sullivan I MIGHT buy it if it interests me. Otherwise I don’t want to land on any more “flypaper.” I’ve got my fingers into too many things already.

DeWitt 1796-2 - As you can see Tom Paine was not a real popular fellow at this time.




DeWitt PM 1796-7 - But a few people still like him ...

EXOJUNKIE

<< <i>I'd wager that collector launching a informative site might be our own Broadstruck!! >>



I'll wager a wild guess and say Alan Fisher (of HTT fame). I've heard he's been accumulating Conders for some time now.

Broadstruck

<< <i>

<< <i>I'd wager that collector launching a informative site might be our own Broadstruck!! >>



I'll wager a wild guess and say Alan Fisher (of HTT fame). I've heard he's been accumulating Conders for some time now. >>



Welcome to these boards EXOJUNKIE

Sorry I haven't ventured back into this thread since Saturday and only did after seeing EXOJUNKIE post.

No it's not Jerry Bobbe nor me as I only actively buy and sell the scarcer varieties I do not collect these.

Yes it's Alan Fisher and it's no secret as anyone in the know of these tokens has known for months that his daughter has been constructing the site.

I don't appreciate being deemed cryptic as gosh if the suspense was killing anyone I would have answered this had I received a PM.

ThePennyLady

Here are a few of my favorite Conder tokens:

very cool terminal die states:






some rare Conders

EXOJUNKIE

<< <i>

<< <i>

<< <i>I'd wager that collector launching a informative site might be our own Broadstruck!! >>

I'll wager a wild guess and say Alan Fisher (of HTT fame). I've heard he's been accumulating Conders for some time now. >>

Welcome to these boards EXOJUNKIE Sorry I haven't ventured back into this thread since Saturday and only did after seeing EXOJUNKIE post. No it's not Jerry Bobbe nor me as I only actively buy and sell the scarcer varieties I do not collect these. Yes it's Alan Fisher and it's no secret as anyone in the know of these tokens has known for months that his daughter has been constructing the site. I don't appreciate being deemed cryptic as gosh if the suspense was killing anyone I would have answered this had I received a PM. >>



Yahoo! Do I win a Conder?

Broadstruck

<< <i>Yahoo! Do I win a Conder? >>



No but nice try

Here's another later die stage... I normally avoid these but this example was purely purchased for the Blofield Calvary revere.

yellowkid

I love them, but I had to cut back when i went to the two boxes of twenty thing.


The color and luster on this one is amazing, it just doesn't come through in a pic.

coinsarefun

<< <i>Here's another later die stage... I normally avoid these but this example was purely purchased for the Blofield Calvary revere.

>>






Even more terminal die.........very cuddly I would say



edited to add this is the only reasonable way (price wise) to obtain a 1795 Cent Talbot &Blofield Cavalry
without spending about $10-12K

Broadstruck

<< <i>Even more terminal die.........very cuddly I would say



edited to add this is the only reasonable way (price wise) to obtain a 1795 Cent Talbot & Blofield Cavalry
without spending about $10-12K >>



Yeah that almost like a big drop of liquid copper just sitting on obverse

Try $12-20K for a really nice Talbot / Blofield.

coinsarefun

<< <i>Yeah that almost like a big drop of liquid copper just sitting on obverse

Try $12-20K for a really nice Talbot / Blofield. >>








Yes, quite bulging in fact................... and I was going for the cheap Talbot/Blofield

Broadstruck

<< <i>Yes, quite bulging in fact................... and I was going for the cheap Talbot/Blofield >>



Yeah if you super glue a nice RB NGC Talbot, Allum, and Lee Token atop your slabbed Blofield you get away pretty cheap!

yellowkid

I love the surfaces on Stef's 719!!

ThePennyLady

<< <i>I don't appreciate being deemed cryptic as gosh if the suspense was killing anyone I would have answered this had I received a PM. >>



If you weren't trying to be cryptic, then you could have just posted the name in the first place. In any event, I will definitely look forward to seeing this new site!

And here's another one of my favorite Conder tokens:

coinsarefun

For those who missed it the first time around.

Zoins

Beautiful tokens!

It's nice to see such vibrant and sharply struck copper from the 1700s.

For better or worse, I think the existence of Conders has somewhat dampened my enthusiasm for many US Colonials.

coinsarefun

<< <i>Beautiful tokens!

It's nice to see such vibrant and sharply struck copper from the 1700s.

For better or worse, I think the existence of Conders has somewhat dampened my enthusiasm for many US Colonials. >>








How....please elaborate........in a good or bad way?

ThePennyLady

One of the more rare and interesting Conder tokens....




And some cute Critter Conders....

coinsarefun

MidLifeCrisis

Excellent thread about a very interesting area of numismatics!

ThePennyLady

Stefanie, I LOVE LOVE LOVE that Conder collage!! WOW - just beautiful!

coinsarefun

<< <i>Stefanie, I LOVE LOVE LOVE that Conder collage!! WOW - just beautiful! >>







Thanks, but I think you own a few of them along with a few other members here.

ThePennyLady

You do a great job of putting these collages together - I've save a couple other ones you created as well!

Shamika

These are awesome images. Makes me want to join the fray of Conder collectors.

rawmorgan

I will add this one, great thread.
1795 G. BRIT D&H-12 1/2p
Cambridgeshire-County
MS 63BN
Edge: CAMBRIDGESHIRE BEDFORD

coinsarefun

<< <i>These are awesome images. Makes me want to join the fray of Conder collectors. >>