The guy with the knife who cut the owner of the B&M is solely responsible for him being shot and killed. He should not have pulled the knife on the owner; and should not have planned to commit a crime [I assume his plan was robbery].
My statement still stands, he got what he deserved and people should be careful who they deal with. No reveling in it, once the line has been drawn he made his bed now he gets to sleep in it. If It would of been me I would of shoot him, had he pulled a knife on me. I am not gonna let someone take me out and take what I worked for and at 25 hes not a kid and knows exactly whats hes doing, right or wrong.
Okay, Okay - I'm done jerking your chains. I was actually laughing out loud. Most fun I've ever had on the boards. Thanks. Seriously, I'm old and do not get to have many fun conversations. There are a myriad of topics that normal, rational people will never agree on. Nothing that gets said here is changing anyone's mind about anything.
Peace and I still love all of you.
In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
The bleeding hearts who want to "wait until" or "give them another chance" are exactly what is wrong with the justice in this country at the present time.
People should be held accountable for their actions!
And another thing........don't ever let me catch anyone burning the American Flag!! That IS NOT you first ammendment right..you will be taking on lead!!!!
The bleeding hearts who want to "wait until" or "give them another chance" are exactly what is wrong with the justice in this country at the present time.
People should be held accountable for their actions!
And another thing........don't ever let me catch anyone burning the American Flag!! That IS NOT you first ammendment right..you will be taking on lead!!!! >>
I agree, it's usually the people who have never worn a uniform of the service that want to give every the right to do as they please.... That only works when you deal with rational people. The reality is people suck!
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<< <i>Well, I could care less what his tats were or how he chose to decorate his ears. Irrelevant. He pulled a knife - relevant. Perhaps he could have been "talked down" - I was not there and don't know. Maybe he did intend to kill as he had no disguise and was known to the dealer. Maybe he was high - trying to rob a coin dealer with a knife is not the brightest idea. BUT, if he takes a stab I'd have to interpret that as a real threat and I would shoot him. I'd like to say I'd shoot him in the leg or something. But I would probably kill him. I don't like it, but it is probable.
Eric >>
I've been robbed and pistol whipped in a retail situation. You shoot to kill, period. If a cop tells you differently you don't want that cop responding to your calls.
No argument here. This was not a case of someone shooting a suspicious individual wearing a hoodie. If someone attacks with a knife, all bets are off. The dealer did him a favor by waiting to get cut before he shot the guy.
Anyone dumb enough to attack someone with a knife should expect that tactic to come to a sudden end at some point.
Without debating the morality (because we all know that is not even a factor here), raise your hand if you think you know what you would do in the same situation. I'd wager that not having had faced a similar situation, nobody here really knows what they'd do.
Heroes don't decide what to do. They just do it.
A completely unworthy analogy would be what happens when things go wrong on the river. I've seen very macho types reduced to tears the first time they take a bad swim. I've also seen modest frail looking little girls rush into a gaping maw to rescue a friend. Neither one would have ever guessed at either outcome prior to the event.
People in this society that want to rob/steal from others and threaten them with physical violence, and death, shouldn't be part of this society. Since we can't just ship them to an island and leave them, then having them depart the world during their criminal actions is ok with me. Cuts down on incarceration costs, which we all pay out of our pockets, and cuts down on the likelihood that they will continue their violent actions and future crimes against society in the future.
<< <i>Good thing the robber wasn't black, the way things go in Fla. >>
Agree---the radical left would go ballistic.
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Posts like this are a sad little window into the out of touch & apathetic comfortable class of our country. There is nothing great about that story from either perspective even if you are in favor of the outcome. It is nothing but regrettable >>
I am not a proponent of violence, but I would rather it be the crook that goes down.
Now while it is true we would not know how we would handle it, I would like to think that if I knew he only had a knife, then I would not shoot to kill.
Posts like this are a sad little window into the out of touch & apathetic comfortable class of our country. There is nothing great about that story from either perspective even if you are in favor of the outcome. It is nothing but regrettable >>
I am not a proponent of violence, but I would rather it be the crook that goes down.
Now while it is true we would not know how we would handle it, I would like to think that if I knew he only had a knife, then I would not shoot to kill.
But ya never know... >>
Well worded response and my quoting your post wasn't a shot at you more so a grab and comment of the over all narrative of the thread. I will always defend he shop's right to defend its self but I just think it is sad that it came to that and can't help but think that avg people get emboldened by guns and turn to them before it is absolutely called for to truly defend their life even if it is in the parameters of the law.
For those who consider 25 to be a full blow man, I consider the gap between man and boy to be the day one realizes that the actions today have a direct impact on the reality tomorrow and I am not sure what the majority of 25 year olds you know but I havent met many with that attribute even in my time in the military and the perp clearly didn't have it yet. Sounds like a boy to me as do many of you esp the ones playing Monday morning tough guys and even worse the low lifes comparing it to the high school kid who got shot walking home in Florida which has nothing in common except the bullets.
I say "great shot!" Having witnessed the effects of a robbery first hand, I say empower the people that run the risk of looking down the wrong end of a firearm (or knife). If "we" stood up to these idiots, we would have less violent crime to deal with.
What we've got here is failure to communicate.....
Good for the dealer. Too often the innocent are the victims.
And for the record I just turned 25 and would fully expect to be shot dead if I tried to rob ANYONE at knife-point. I'm not sure in what world someone wouldn't realize the possible consequences of their actions at this age.
I'm not trying to add more heat to the fire in this thread, and it is sad when anyone has to die for a poor choice he made, but I too would hope that if I was ever attacked, I would be the winner.
For what it's worth, I just received this email from the Numismatic Crime Prevention Program which offers a little more details about this robbery:
<< <i>Not long after opening for business Sunday morning, trouble was brewing inside Justice Coins in New Port Richey. A customer, who was well-known to the shop's proprietor, had nefarious thoughts on his mind.
Wayne Justice had seen 25-year-old Jacob Scott Sanborn waiting outside just prior to the store opening. He had no idea what would happen next.
"They were talking for a few minutes looking at merchandise and at that time the suspect pulled a knife on Mr. Justice," explained Pasco County Sheriff Chris Nocco.
Once he realized he was being attacked, Justice, 52, took matters into his own hands. He pulled out a gun and fired a shot into Sanborn's chest. The exchange proved to be fatal for the convicted felon.
"Mr. Justice has a concealed weapons permit," Nocco said. "He was justified in his action, and he killed the suspect."
Virginia Watts is a frequent Justice Coins customer and happened to be in the area Sunday morning not long after the robbery attempt and shooting went down.
"The gentleman that came in and tried to destroy his life ended up destroying his own," Watts said. "That's the consequence he chose when he went through the door."
Watts often stops by the coin shop to pawn personal items. The practice helps her make ends meet. She was choked up when she learned Justice was injured during the incident.
"He's a very nice gentleman," Watts said of the store owner. "I come here with stuff that's worth $10 dollars and he'll give me $15 because he knows I need it."
Justice suffered a cut on his ear, a wound that required just a few stitches. He was shaken up a bit by the turn of events but was otherwise feeling OK. Sanborn was no stranger to law enforcement in the Bay area. At the time of this incident he was already on felony probation for a conviction out of Pasco County.
He was sentenced to one year and six months of probation for giving false information to a pawn broker in December, 2011.
Sanborn had also been arrested in Hillsborough County in 2007 on a robbery charge. In January, he was charged with marijuana possession by deputies with the Pasco County Sheriff's Office.
"We know this person who was killed today had a violent history," Nocco said.
I'm with Mowgli in a way. I'm for swift justice. I feel for the family and friends of the assailant, but I feel worse for the coin dealer who's hand was forced, and who must now live the rest of his life, with knowing he took a life. That's got to be a crappy feeling and few would enjoy being in that place.
<< <i>As I have stated before in other threads on this topic, I believe any brick and mortar coin dealer should be armed and this proves the point. That guy looks like a piece of work from the picture and his rap sheet. >>
I must agree with you 100%.
Here in Illinois, however, because of elements from Chicago who are running the state (into the ground and then some), we don't have concealed carry. So dealers in Illinois are, for all practical purposes, are at the mercy of hooligans and "slim shady" wannabes. There have been several attempts to pass concealed carry, but the politicians from Chicago have voted it down. A slap (more like a punch) in the face to downstate folks like me. >>
Why would it have to be concealed? I carry one on my hip and it's exposed and I don't have a permit for any damn thing. My gun is legally registered as it should be by law with local Police and County Mounties.
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<< <i>For those who consider 25 to be a full blow man, I consider the gap between man and boy to be the day one realizes that the actions today have a direct impact on the reality tomorrow and I am not sure what the majority of 25 year olds you know but I havent met many with that attribute even in my time in the military and the perp clearly didn't have it yet. Sounds like a boy to me as do many of you esp the ones playing Monday morning tough guys and even worse the low lifes comparing it to the high school kid who got shot walking home in Florida which has nothing in common except the bullets >>
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If you are a B/M and are inside your place of business you can carry on your hip or have something under the counter without needing a CCW permit in IL. Some dealers do the former; we do the latter.
I can't believe some people have the nerve to think this scumbag is somehow the victim in all this... when it is he and he alone who made the conscious decision to pull a knife, attack, wound and attempt to rob someone. Gotta love the lib crowd. No one's responsible for anything they do in life (unless they are middle aged caucasian males that is, then they're responsible for everything from global warming to jock itch). Perhaps when the guy was trying to slash his ear off the dealer should have given him a time out and said "Now Now-I don't like you very much when you do things like this"...oh, wait...can't do that; it might have hurt his self esteem. Gimme a break...
<< <i>If you are a B/M and are inside your place of business you can carry on your hip or have something under the counter without needing a CCW permit in IL. Some dealers do the former; we do the latter.
I can't believe some people have the nerve to think this scumbag is somehow the victim in all this... when it is he and he alone who made the conscious decision to pull a knife, attack, wound and attempt to rob someone. Gotta love the lib crowd. No one's responsible for anything they do in life (unless they are middle aged caucasian males that is, then they're responsible for everything from global warming to jock itch). Perhaps when the guy was trying to slash his ear off the dealer should have given him a time out and said "Now Now-I don't like you very much when you do things like this"...oh, wait...can't do that; it might have hurt his self esteem. Gimme a break... >>
Agree. I'm surprised the bleeding heart liberals haven't tried to blame Bush.
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" raise your hand if you think you know what you would do in the same situation. I'd wager that not having had faced a similar situation, nobody here really knows what they'd do. "
I will second that motion . I work in a B&M coin shop . I have a concealed carry permit . I have no idea of what I would do .
Having grown up in a neighborhood that went from great to deadly you learn to look for signs. The owner knew THIS and was prepared. Good for him.. btw it can be any kind of tat nowadays, not just a tear.
As I've mentioned on this forum before, my father shot and killed an armed robber in his store. No wasted money on a trial, no repeat offender. Very clean solution to the problem. His store was just a few blocks from the Baltimore Convention. Center where the Baltimore show is held. Baltimore City PD were thrilled to see the good guy win for a change. They were fantastic to my folks.
<< <i>Am I the only bleeding heart here? A "violent history"? - providing false info, possessing marijuana, a robbery". Based on his previous sentence did it sound like he harmed someone? It seems to me that pulling a gun would deter most criminals such that you wouldn't have to shoot them. I know you guys love the coin dealers killing a robber but unless my life is in danger - which it wouldn't be if I had a gun and he was on the other side of the counter with a knife - I can't see killing someone over material crap. Sorry. >>
A robbery is the violent history.
He was (thankfully) killed during the commission of a violent felony.
He was killed while threatening a law abiding citizen with a deadly weapon for the purpose of robbing him. Is this not enough for you? This store owner also spared future victims. This is a fantastic and very well deserved outcome for this violent criminal.
If this violent felon had not chosen to threaten this law abiding store owner with a lethal weapon he would now be alive and well. It was his decision and he got exactly what he deserved. I heartily applaud the store owner on his outstanding performance. All B&M dealers would be wise to learn from this.
While I do respect yours and other similar opinions I in no way can understand them. It robbing someone at knife point does not justify one's defence using lethal force in your mind it is just beyond comprehension to me.
Mowgli, one more thing. I have been a sworn LEO for 11 years and am a mult-certified LE Firearms Instructor. Your comments regarding the knife and the mere presence of the gun are way off. Acton beats reaction The owner did right. If you set this up in a simulator or with simmunitions and u waited for the perp to move at u with the knife you'd loose. This is well established in combative training. Google " the 21 foot rule" and you can read a lot more about it.
I can say in my view I am very glad a store owner was not killed as he almost certainly would of been had he not been able to defend himself. Good riddance to the person shot , zero is my level of concern for a violent criminal. I can only hope the store owner did not have to do a lot of cleanup and disinfect his floor do to the scum bleeding on it. I hope the store owner is ok and recovering from the stress caused by this person who chose to commit a violent and premeditated crime.
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If I would have been the dealer....the jerk is dead also.....probably more than one shot.
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Seriously, I'm old and do not get to have many fun conversations. There are a myriad of topics that normal, rational people will never agree on. Nothing that gets said here is changing anyone's mind about anything.
Peace and I still love all of you.
The bleeding hearts who want to "wait until" or "give them another chance" are exactly what is wrong with the justice in this country at the present time.
People should be held accountable for their actions!
And another thing........don't ever let me catch anyone burning the American Flag!! That IS NOT you first ammendment right..you will be taking on lead!!!!
<< <i>I totally agree with you michiganboy.
The bleeding hearts who want to "wait until" or "give them another chance" are exactly what is wrong with the justice in this country at the present time.
People should be held accountable for their actions!
And another thing........don't ever let me catch anyone burning the American Flag!! That IS NOT you first ammendment right..you will be taking on lead!!!! >>
I agree, it's usually the people who have never worn a uniform of the service that want to give every the right to do as they please.... That only works when you deal with rational people. The reality is people suck!
<< <i>Well, I could care less what his tats were or how he chose to decorate his ears. Irrelevant.
He pulled a knife - relevant. Perhaps he could have been "talked down" - I was not there and don't know. Maybe he did intend to kill as he had no disguise and was known to the dealer. Maybe he was high - trying to rob a coin dealer with a knife is not the brightest idea.
BUT, if he takes a stab I'd have to interpret that as a real threat and I would shoot him. I'd like to say I'd shoot him in the leg or something. But I would probably kill him. I don't like it, but it is probable.
Eric >>
I've been robbed and pistol whipped in a retail situation. You shoot to kill, period. If a cop tells you differently you don't want that cop responding to your calls.
Anyone dumb enough to attack someone with a knife should expect that tactic to come to a sudden end at some point.
Heroes don't decide what to do. They just do it.
A completely unworthy analogy would be what happens when things go wrong on the river. I've seen very macho types reduced to tears the first time they take a bad swim. I've also seen modest frail looking little girls rush into a gaping maw to rescue a friend. Neither one would have ever guessed at either outcome prior to the event.
And BTW, this guy is a hero. Period.
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Since we can't just ship them to an island and leave them, then having them depart the world during their criminal actions is ok with me. Cuts down on incarceration costs, which we all pay out of our pockets, and cuts down on the likelihood that they will continue their violent actions and future crimes against society in the future.
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<< <i>Good thing the robber wasn't black, the way things go in Fla. >>
Agree---the radical left would go ballistic.
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<< <i>I am pretty sure Ted Nugent and I would have the same opinion on this subject :-) >>
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<< <i>Great news!
Posts like this are a sad little window into the out of touch & apathetic comfortable class of our country. There is nothing great about that story from either perspective even if you are in favor of the outcome. It is nothing but regrettable >>
I am not a proponent of violence, but I would rather it be the crook that goes down.
Now while it is true we would not know how we would handle it, I would like to think that if I knew he only had a knife, then I would not shoot to kill.
But ya never know...
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<< <i>
<< <i>Great news!
Posts like this are a sad little window into the out of touch & apathetic comfortable class of our country. There is nothing great about that story from either perspective even if you are in favor of the outcome. It is nothing but regrettable >>
I am not a proponent of violence, but I would rather it be the crook that goes down.
Now while it is true we would not know how we would handle it, I would like to think that if I knew he only had a knife, then I would not shoot to kill.
But ya never know... >>
Well worded response and my quoting your post wasn't a shot at you more so a grab and comment of the over all narrative of the thread. I will always defend he shop's right to defend its self but I just think it is sad that it came to that and can't help but think that avg people get emboldened by guns and turn to them before it is absolutely called for to truly defend their life even if it is in the parameters of the law.
For those who consider 25 to be a full blow man, I consider the gap between man and boy to be the day one realizes that the actions today have a direct impact on the reality tomorrow and I am not sure what the majority of 25 year olds you know but I havent met many with that attribute even in my time in the military and the perp clearly didn't have it yet. Sounds like a boy to me as do many of you esp the ones playing Monday morning tough guys and even worse the low lifes comparing it to the high school kid who got shot walking home in Florida which has nothing in common except the bullets.
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Oddest definition of a man I have ever heard. Would this imply that a 65 year old bank robber is a 'boy'.
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And for the record I just turned 25 and would fully expect to be shot dead if I tried to rob ANYONE at knife-point. I'm not sure in what world someone wouldn't realize the possible consequences of their actions at this age.
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<< <i>I consider the gap between man and boy to be the day one realizes that the actions today have a direct impact on the reality tomorrow
Oddest definition of a man I have ever heard. Would this imply that a 65 year of bank robber is a 'boy'.
Dave >>
No. A kid.
Kinda like voting for the lesser of two evils at election time........
For what it's worth, I just received this email from the Numismatic Crime Prevention Program which offers a little more details about this robbery:
<< <i>Not long after opening for business Sunday morning, trouble was brewing inside Justice Coins in New Port Richey.
A customer, who was well-known to the shop's proprietor, had nefarious thoughts on his mind.
Wayne Justice had seen 25-year-old Jacob Scott Sanborn waiting outside just prior to the store opening. He had no idea what would happen next.
"They were talking for a few minutes looking at merchandise and at that time the suspect pulled a knife on Mr. Justice," explained Pasco County Sheriff Chris Nocco.
Once he realized he was being attacked, Justice, 52, took matters into his own hands. He pulled out a gun and fired a shot into Sanborn's chest.
The exchange proved to be fatal for the convicted felon.
"Mr. Justice has a concealed weapons permit," Nocco said. "He was justified in his action, and he killed the suspect."
Virginia Watts is a frequent Justice Coins customer and happened to be in the area Sunday morning not long after the robbery attempt and shooting went down.
"The gentleman that came in and tried to destroy his life ended up destroying his own," Watts said. "That's the consequence he chose when he went through the door."
Watts often stops by the coin shop to pawn personal items. The practice helps her make ends meet. She was choked up when she learned Justice was injured during the incident.
"He's a very nice gentleman," Watts said of the store owner. "I come here with stuff that's worth $10 dollars and he'll give me $15 because he knows I need it."
Justice suffered a cut on his ear, a wound that required just a few stitches. He was shaken up a bit by the turn of events but was otherwise feeling OK.
Sanborn was no stranger to law enforcement in the Bay area. At the time of this incident he was already on felony probation for a conviction out of Pasco County.
He was sentenced to one year and six months of probation for giving false information to a pawn broker in December, 2011.
Sanborn had also been arrested in Hillsborough County in 2007 on a robbery charge. In January, he was charged with marijuana possession by deputies with the Pasco County Sheriff's Office.
"We know this person who was killed today had a violent history," Nocco said.
On Sunday, he met a violent end. >>
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<< <i>A) He was a convicted felon, in prison the one thing they teach is, "don't leave witnesses."
C) I can bet you a gold eagle to your morgan the robber had no plans to leave him alive. >>
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<< <i>As I have stated before in other threads on this topic, I believe any brick and mortar coin dealer should be armed and this proves the point. That guy looks like a piece of work from the picture and his rap sheet. >>
I must agree with you 100%.
Here in Illinois, however, because of elements from Chicago who are running the state (into the ground and then some), we don't have concealed carry. So dealers in Illinois are, for all practical purposes, are at the mercy of hooligans and "slim shady" wannabes. There have been several attempts to pass concealed carry, but the politicians from Chicago have voted it down. A slap (more like a punch) in the face to downstate folks like me. >>
Why would it have to be concealed? I carry one on my hip and it's exposed and I don't have a permit for any damn thing.
My gun is legally registered as it should be by law with local Police and County Mounties.
bob
<< <i>For those who consider 25 to be a full blow man, I consider the gap between man and boy to be the day one realizes that the actions today have a direct impact on the reality tomorrow and I am not sure what the majority of 25 year olds you know but I havent met many with that attribute even in my time in the military and the perp clearly didn't have it yet. Sounds like a boy to me as do many of you esp the ones playing Monday morning tough guys and even worse the low lifes comparing it to the high school kid who got shot walking home in Florida which has nothing in common except the bullets >>
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<< <i>Another one bits the dust. >>
Yup and the world is now a safer place.
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<< <i>good and glad it wasn't the other way around >>
i agree. the owner gets up and goes to work instead of choosing to rob/harm/kill someone else just doing their job.
. >>
yeah...you are
I can't believe some people have the nerve to think this scumbag is somehow the victim in all this... when it is he and he alone who made the conscious decision to pull a knife, attack, wound and attempt to rob someone. Gotta love the lib crowd. No one's responsible for anything they do in life (unless they are middle aged caucasian males that is, then they're responsible for everything from global warming to jock itch).
Perhaps when the guy was trying to slash his ear off the dealer should have given him a time out and said "Now Now-I don't like you very much when you do things like this"...oh, wait...can't do that; it might have hurt his self esteem. Gimme a break...
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<< <i>If you are a B/M and are inside your place of business you can carry on your hip or have something under the counter without needing a CCW permit in IL. Some dealers do the former; we do the latter.
I can't believe some people have the nerve to think this scumbag is somehow the victim in all this... when it is he and he alone who made the conscious decision to pull a knife, attack, wound and attempt to rob someone. Gotta love the lib crowd. No one's responsible for anything they do in life (unless they are middle aged caucasian males that is, then they're responsible for everything from global warming to jock itch).
Perhaps when the guy was trying to slash his ear off the dealer should have given him a time out and said "Now Now-I don't like you very much when you do things like this"...oh, wait...can't do that; it might have hurt his self esteem. Gimme a break... >>
Agree. I'm surprised the bleeding heart liberals haven't tried to blame Bush.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I will second that motion . I work in a B&M coin shop . I have a concealed carry permit . I have no idea of what I would do .
Thanks for the link. Great story.
<< <i>Am I the only bleeding heart here? A "violent history"? - providing false info, possessing marijuana, a robbery". Based on his previous sentence did it sound like he harmed someone? It seems to me that pulling a gun would deter most criminals such that you wouldn't have to shoot them. I know you guys love the coin dealers killing a robber but unless my life is in danger - which it wouldn't be if I had a gun and he was on the other side of the counter with a knife - I can't see killing someone over material crap. Sorry. >>
A robbery is the violent history.
He was (thankfully) killed during the commission of a violent felony.
He was killed while threatening a law abiding citizen with a deadly weapon for the purpose of robbing him. Is this not enough for you? This store owner also spared future victims. This is a fantastic and very well deserved outcome for this violent criminal.
If this violent felon had not chosen to threaten this law abiding store owner with a lethal weapon he would now be alive and well. It was his decision and he got exactly what he deserved. I heartily applaud the store owner on his outstanding performance. All B&M dealers would be wise to learn from this.
While I do respect yours and other similar opinions I in no way can understand them. It robbing someone at knife point does not justify one's defence using lethal force in your mind it is just beyond comprehension to me.
Mowgli, one more thing. I have been a sworn LEO for 11 years and am a mult-certified LE Firearms Instructor. Your comments regarding the knife and the mere presence of the gun are way off. Acton beats reaction The owner did right. If you set this up in a simulator or with simmunitions and u waited for the perp to move at u with the knife you'd loose. This is well established in combative training. Google " the 21 foot rule" and you can read a lot more about it.
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<< <i>Another one bits the dust. >>
Yup and the world is now a safer place. >>
no it isn't, the void will quickly be filled
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