Coin dealer shoots robber

lloydmincy

Hopefully this incident spreads like wildfire to those interested in committing any form of robbery, to think again...

PerryHall

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<< <i>Another one bits the dust. >>



Yup and the world is now a safer place. >>



no it isn't, the void will quickly be filled >>



We will always have criminals in this world but one less thug in the world is a good thing.

morgansforever

<<Yup and the world is now a safer place.>>

A bit of a stretch, most would agree the world is no safer.

telephoto1

<< <i>" raise your hand if you think you know what you would do in the same situation. I'd wager that not having had faced a similar situation, nobody here really knows what they'd do. "

I will second that motion . I work in a B&M coin shop . I have a concealed carry permit . I have no idea of what I would do . >>




With due respect, part of the responsibility of having a CCW is being able to read a situation and know exactly what to do. The whole idea behind acquiring a CCW in the first place is that you intend to use a weapon for personal defense... so a certificate showing completion of a defense/weapons training course should be mandatory before acquiring a CCW permit IMO.

If I'm a bystander in someone's store and they pull a weapon on someone who's trying to rob them (and likely me) I'd certainly hope that they would know exactly what they're going to do before even considering pulling it.
If they don't then they shouldn't have a CCW (or perhaps even a weapon) in the first place.

I take weapons ownership seriously; merely owning one entails being responsible- and having a CCW permit adds a significant extra layer of responsibility to said ownership.

Just my humble opinion.

AUandAG

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<< <i>" raise your hand if you think you know what you would do in the same situation. I'd wager that not having had faced a similar situation, nobody here really knows what they'd do. "

I will second that motion . I work in a B&M coin shop . I have a concealed carry permit . I have no idea of what I would do . >>




With due respect, part of the responsibility of having a CCW is being able to read a situation and know exactly what to do. The whole idea behind acquiring a CCW in the first place is that you intend to use a weapon for personal defense... so a certificate showing completion of a defense/weapons training course should be mandatory before acquiring a CCW permit IMO.

If I'm a bystander in someone's store and they pull a weapon on someone who's trying to rob them (and likely me) I'd certainly hope that they would know exactly what they're going to do before even considering pulling it.
If they don't then they shouldn't have a CCW (or perhaps even a weapon) in the first place.

I take weapons ownership seriously; merely owning one entails being responsible- and having a CCW permit adds a significant extra layer of responsibility to said ownership.

Just my humble opinion. >>



There is no requirement for any form of competency with a gun, in your home or business. No requirement for a CCW. Just a Constitutional right.

bob

telephoto1

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<< <i>" raise your hand if you think you know what you would do in the same situation. I'd wager that not having had faced a similar situation, nobody here really knows what they'd do. "

I will second that motion . I work in a B&M coin shop . I have a concealed carry permit . I have no idea of what I would do . >>




With due respect, part of the responsibility of having a CCW is being able to read a situation and know exactly what to do. The whole idea behind acquiring a CCW in the first place is that you intend to use a weapon for personal defense... so a certificate showing completion of a defense/weapons training course should be mandatory before acquiring a CCW permit IMO.

If I'm a bystander in someone's store and they pull a weapon on someone who's trying to rob them (and likely me) I'd certainly hope that they would know exactly what they're going to do before even considering pulling it.
If they don't then they shouldn't have a CCW (or perhaps even a weapon) in the first place.

I take weapons ownership seriously; merely owning one entails being responsible- and having a CCW permit adds a significant extra layer of responsibility to said ownership.

Just my humble opinion. >>



There is no requirement for any form of competency with a gun, in your home or business. No requirement for a CCW. Just a Constitutional right.

bob >>



And I am a strong proponent of that right... but I am also a strong proponent of the personal responsibility that goes with it. And responsible gun owners know how to handle and use their weapons- plus, if they're smart they take courses to increase their proficiency. Bottom line, if you're going to pull it, you better darn well be ready, willing and able to use it.

ArizonaJack

In Arizona, we are not required to have a CCW to carry concealed, but both my wife and I have taken the classes and got ours. The legal education alone is worth the 8 hours and the $110 fee for the course and range time.

Raufus

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<< <i>" raise your hand if you think you know what you would do in the same situation. I'd wager that not having had faced a similar situation, nobody here really knows what they'd do. "

I will second that motion . I work in a B&M coin shop . I have a concealed carry permit . I have no idea of what I would do . >>




With due respect, part of the responsibility of having a CCW is being able to read a situation and know exactly what to do. The whole idea behind acquiring a CCW in the first place is that you intend to use a weapon for personal defense... so a certificate showing completion of a defense/weapons training course should be mandatory before acquiring a CCW permit IMO.

If I'm a bystander in someone's store and they pull a weapon on someone who's trying to rob them (and likely me) I'd certainly hope that they would know exactly what they're going to do before even considering pulling it.
If they don't then they shouldn't have a CCW (or perhaps even a weapon) in the first place.

I take weapons ownership seriously; merely owning one entails being responsible- and having a CCW permit adds a significant extra layer of responsibility to said ownership.

Just my humble opinion. >>



There is no requirement for any form of competency with a gun, in your home or business. No requirement for a CCW. Just a Constitutional right.

bob >>



And I am a strong proponent of that right... but I am also a strong proponent of the personal responsibility that goes with it. And responsible gun owners know how to handle and use their weapons- plus, if they're smart they take courses to increase their proficiency. Bottom line, if you're going to pull it, you better darn well be ready, willing and able to use it. >>



Well stated. Spot on.

While I support CCW 100+%, I strongly believe that if one takes upon him/herself the awesome responsibility of carrying a weapon that one should obtain substantial training with it.

By substantial I mean a full week course at a top shooting school at a bare, absolute minimum.

Multiple, top tier schools and frequent practice are really essential. Schools should focus on real-world defensive shooting. A large focus should be on low/no light shooting. As they say, most defensive shootings happen in low light. Most training does not.

As has been stated many times by many great combatives instructors, the key to winning an armed confrontation, in order are: mind set, tactics, weapon selection. So true.

ArizonaJack

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<< <i>" raise your hand if you think you know what you would do in the same situation. I'd wager that not having had faced a similar situation, nobody here really knows what they'd do. "

I will second that motion . I work in a B&M coin shop . I have a concealed carry permit . I have no idea of what I would do . >>




With due respect, part of the responsibility of having a CCW is being able to read a situation and know exactly what to do. The whole idea behind acquiring a CCW in the first place is that you intend to use a weapon for personal defense... so a certificate showing completion of a defense/weapons training course should be mandatory before acquiring a CCW permit IMO.

If I'm a bystander in someone's store and they pull a weapon on someone who's trying to rob them (and likely me) I'd certainly hope that they would know exactly what they're going to do before even considering pulling it.
If they don't then they shouldn't have a CCW (or perhaps even a weapon) in the first place.

I take weapons ownership seriously; merely owning one entails being responsible- and having a CCW permit adds a significant extra layer of responsibility to said ownership.

Just my humble opinion. >>



There is no requirement for any form of competency with a gun, in your home or business. No requirement for a CCW. Just a Constitutional right.

bob >>



And I am a strong proponent of that right... but I am also a strong proponent of the personal responsibility that goes with it. And responsible gun owners know how to handle and use their weapons- plus, if they're smart they take courses to increase their proficiency. Bottom line, if you're going to pull it, you better darn well be ready, willing and able to use it. >>



Well stated. Spot on.

While I support CCW 100+%, I strongly believe that if one takes upon him/herself the awesome responsibility of carrying a weapon that one should obtain substantial training with it.

By substantial I mean a full week course at a top shooting school at a bare, absolute minimum.

Multiple, top tier schools and frequent practice are really essential. Schools should focus on real-world defensive shooting. A large focus should be on low/no light shooting. As they say, most defensive shootings happen in low light. Most training does not.

As has been stated many times by many great combatives instructors, the key to winning an armed confrontation, in order are: mind set, tactics, weapon selection. So true. >>




Gunsite in Northern AZ is $2500 for the 5 day course. Highly recommended.

ILikeMercs

really? I know we can open carry w/o a permit. Didn't know you could concealed carry w/o one though. I need to read the statutes.

66Tbird

<< <i>really? I know we can open carry w/o a permit. Didn't know you could concealed carry w/o one though. I need to read the statutes. >>



I'm thinking the same thing. All my family and friends carry and those with a ccw can keep it under their shirt, those that don't can't. Maybe the law has changed, we got ours 15 years ago.

AUandAG

And I am a strong proponent of that right... but I am also a strong proponent of the personal responsibility that goes with it. And responsible gun owners know how to handle and use their weapons- plus, if they're smart they take courses to increase their proficiency. Bottom line, if you're going to pull it, you better darn well be ready, willing and able to use it. >>



I do not disagree with this either. I'm NRA trained with my 38 special and my 9mm pistol. Three day class with lots of
shooting on day three. Great course! Could have had my CCW at the end but opted NOT to carry concealed. I want
folks to see it, might just deter some idiot from getting crazy on this old man!

bob

Raufus

<< <i>And I am a strong proponent of that right... but I am also a strong proponent of the personal responsibility that goes with it. And responsible gun owners know how to handle and use their weapons- plus, if they're smart they take courses to increase their proficiency. Bottom line, if you're going to pull it, you better darn well be ready, willing and able to use it. >>



I do not disagree with this either. I'm NRA trained with my 38 special and my 9mm pistol. Three day class with lots of
shooting on day three. Great course! Could have had my CCW at the end but opted NOT to carry concealed. I want
folks to see it, might just deter some idiot from getting crazy on this old man!

bob >>



Hi Bob-

With all due respect - and this is just meant as food for thought from a long time LE firearms instructor - I've never known any serious firearms trainer who advocates carrying open if this can be avoided. I say this as a multi-certified (NRA, HK, Glock and others) LE (and civilian) firearms instructor as well as an over 50 times graduate of many of the nation's top shooting schools.

The reasons are numerous. In no specific order, it makes a lot of people nervous and thus draws unwanted attention, it can encourage a surprise gun grab/gun grab attempt, if you are in a location which some thugs want to rob, they may be deterred or they might just shoot you immediately by surprise knowing that you're armed, it totally eliminates any advantage of surprise which you may have.

Most armed professionals when carrying off-duty strive to maintain a very low profile knowing that, if the use of force becomes needed, the key is speed, surprise and violence of action. Open carry leaves one at a huge tactical disadvantage.

Again, meant with all due respect, just food for thought.

Stay safe!

(To the forum monitors: While some posts in this thread may seem off the topic of U.S. coins, I think that the topic is a very important one for many numismatists, esp. dealers as it pertains to security which is a frequent and important topic on the forums.)

lcoopie

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