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$20 1907 Ultra High Relief
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Have you seen the $20 1907 Ultra High Relief in PCGS Proof 69 in the Stack's Bowers Baltimore Auction lot 4438? What a super coin. We can only dream. The PCGS price guide is $3 Million. If it goes for that amount I think it will look like a bargain in a few years.
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-Paul
Looking at the cac pop report, there has only been one beaned example (which was a pr68).
Being stickered will only help increase the price that it sells for (thereby acknowledging that the coin is in fact a nice 69 and not another 68..)
Also, as long as it sells for over $50,000 the buyer's premium will be only 15% instead of the 17.5% for those having invoices totalling lower
I'm guessing it'll sell for $4,000,000 ($4.6m w/ the juice).
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<< <i>It's a beautiful coin, but honestly is hard to differentiate from the PR68's. At any rate, it's sure to bring well in excess of $2M >>
Only slightly better than average quality for the date
Fred Weinberg has a great story about the Eliasberg coin.
Hard to imagine the coin not getting the bean. More likely, it was simply too difficult to get the coin to CAC for inspection.
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I took a pic of it (with permission of course!) at the Portland ANA show in 2009............
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Amazing.
<< <i>I can't get over that annoying sticker on the case. Gosh! That would be goo-goned in no time at all if it were my coin.
Amazing. >>
Exactly, and if I owned that one I wouldn't let ANYONE call that coin #2!!!!
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<< <i>Have you seen the $20 1907 Ultra High Relief in PCGS Proof 69 in the Stack's Bowers Baltimore Auction lot 4438? What a super coin. We can only dream. The PCGS price guide is $3 Million. If it goes for that amount I think it will look like a bargain in a few years. >>
that is stone-cold. tell us about but not linkify it for us
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<< <i>Have you seen the $20 1907 Ultra High Relief in PCGS Proof 69 in the Stack's Bowers Baltimore Auction lot 4438? What a super coin. We can only dream. The PCGS price guide is $3 Million. If it goes for that amount I think it will look like a bargain in a few years. >>
that is stone-cold. tell us about but not linkify it for us
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Yeah a link would have been nice instead of leaving it to everyone who read this thread to search for the coin.
<< <i>While there is no doubt the coin is a tremendous piece of history and an amazing coin, I wonder if it has been to CAC and has not been beaned.
Looking at the cac pop report, there has only been one beaned example (which was a pr68).
Being stickered will only help increase the price that it sells for (thereby acknowledging that the coin is in fact a nice 69 and not another 68..) >>
For a coin like this CAC is irrelevant. I wish that there were some way to get over the hand holding business that seems to have infected so many collectors.
<< <i>While there is no doubt the coin is a tremendous piece of history and an amazing coin, I wonder if it has been to CAC and has not been beaned.
Looking at the cac pop report, there has only been one beaned example (which was a pr68).
Being stickered will only help increase the price that it sells for (thereby acknowledging that the coin is in fact a nice 69 and not another 68..) >>
Just my opinion, of course, but with this coin, I don't think a sticker or lack thereof will make any difference in the amount it sells for. Reason: the coin is a PCGS Proof-69, everyone can see that it is a great coin.
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<< <i>I can't get over that annoying sticker on the case. Gosh! That would be goo-goned in no time at all if it were my coin.
Amazing. >>
Like a moustache on the Mona Lisa.
<< <i>While there is no doubt the coin is a tremendous piece of history and an amazing coin, I wonder if it has been to CAC and has not been beaned.
Looking at the cac pop report, there has only been one beaned example (which was a pr68).
Being stickered will only help increase the price that it sells for (thereby acknowledging that the coin is in fact a nice 69 and not another 68..) >>
Not to beat on you and CAC, there are so few of these coins and collectors that can afford them as to need CACing (new word). All, who can afford this coin and want it, know its provenance.
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<< <i>While there is no doubt the coin is a tremendous piece of history and an amazing coin, I wonder if it has been to CAC and has not been beaned.
Looking at the cac pop report, there has only been one beaned example (which was a pr68).
Being stickered will only help increase the price that it sells for (thereby acknowledging that the coin is in fact a nice 69 and not another 68..) >>
Just my opinion, of course, but with this coin, I don't think a sticker or lack thereof will make any difference in the amount it sells for. Reason: the coin is a PCGS Proof-69, everyone can see that it is a great coin. >>
Rich- I agree wholehearterdly the coin is a great coin and the provenance and history will carry much of its weight. HOWEVER, people are demanding quality in their coins today and having the green bean would almost guarantee a higher bid. Look at all the major rarities and how much better they sell when the green bean is present.
The lack of one on this coin to me means it has been to CAC and not received the bean, and is therefor (in strictly CAC's opinion) not a "true" 69"
I dont think we will see any record shattering price for this coin.
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<< <i>Have you seen the $20 1907 Ultra High Relief in PCGS Proof 69 in the Stack's Bowers Baltimore Auction lot 4438? What a super coin. We can only dream. The PCGS price guide is $3 Million. If it goes for that amount I think it will look like a bargain in a few years. >>
that is stone-cold. tell us about but not linkify it for us
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Linkified
Here are SB's pics ...
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Very low pop - forget the bean, every coin stands on its own for what it is regardless of grade/bean.
Hi pop - now you need the grade & bean to stand out from the rest.
There are enough UHRs that the bean might play some factor if they traded frequently, but availability is a bigger queston here. They don't come up that often.
<< <i>(evil grin) This can't be that great of a coin..... Laura is not selling it!
But she knows who is.
Actually this issue has become widgetized, hasn't it? Think the value of a bean is more or less than $162,500?
It's impressive, I just checked it out (I work at SB). Superb coin.
<< <i>This was the first thing I thought.
It's impressive, I just checked it out (I work at SB). Superb coin. >>
Hehehe.. wait until you get a chance to work with the uber-b*tch
I would have to put it in a new holder. The one it's in now looks like it was kicked across the parking lot.
<< <i>beautiful coin!!! >>
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<< <i>While there is no doubt the coin is a tremendous piece of history and an amazing coin, I wonder if it has been to CAC and has not been beaned.
Looking at the cac pop report, there has only been one beaned example (which was a pr68).
Being stickered will only help increase the price that it sells for (thereby acknowledging that the coin is in fact a nice 69 and not another 68..) >>
Just my opinion, of course, but with this coin, I don't think a sticker or lack thereof will make any difference in the amount it sells for. Reason: the coin is a PCGS Proof-69, everyone can see that it is a great coin. >>
Rich- I agree wholehearterdly the coin is a great coin and the provenance and history will carry much of its weight. HOWEVER, people are demanding quality in their coins today and having the green bean would almost guarantee a higher bid. Look at all the major rarities and how much better they sell when the green bean is present.
The lack of one on this coin to me means it has been to CAC and not received the bean, and is therefor (in strictly CAC's opinion) not a "true" 69"
I dont think we will see any record shattering price for this coin. >>
And, therein lies the problem that you, and many others, fall into.....
The lack of a CAC sticker does NOT mean it is not a "true" 69. It means that it did not mean the level of 69 that they would put a sticker on it, IN THEIR OPINION.
From the CAC FAQ:
3. If a coin doesn’t receive a CAC sticker, does this mean CAC believes the coin is over-graded?
Absolutely not. There are many coins that are certified accurately for their grade. Unfortunately, it is an inescapable reality that many are at the lower end of the quality range for the assigned grade. CAC’s rejection of a coin does not necessarily mean that CAC believes the coin has been over-graded. It simply means that there are other coins with CAC stickers that are of higher quality for the grade. CAC will eventually reject tens of thousands of accurately graded coins. Many of these rejected coins will be acceptable to numerous dealers and collectors and will continue to be available in the marketplace. For quality-conscious collectors and dealers, a coin with a CAC sticker will have significant meaning.
5. I noticed that CAC uses the term “premium quality” to describe coins that receive a CAC sticker. How does CAC define premium quality?
For many years, coin dealers and advanced collectors have used the letters A, B, and C among themselves to further describe coins. C indicates low-end for the grade, B indicates solid for the grade, and A indicates high-end. CAC will only award stickers to coins in the A or B category. C coins, although accurately graded, will be returned without a CAC sticker
Now, if you had said "low end" 69, instead of "true" 69, I may agree with you. You didn't though, and in CAC's own words, not getting a CAC sticker doesn't mean that the grade is incorrect in their opinion. Just that it isn't high end.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
ty for the images
seen it before or one just like it if there are more but very very nice to see it in the thread, so ty!
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-Paul
<< <i>In case you missed it at auction, it's now listed on eBay...
-Paul >>
Tempting. If I "buy it now" I'll get $100 ebay bucks and free shipping.
Lance.
Wow.
Could someone explain the above comment with regards to the size of the Capitol building?
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