Are you serious??!!!!

koinkrazy

I bought a coin from a major dealer a couple weeks back. I paid their asking price of almost $4000. Sent the check, now today I get an email asking for $20 to pay for shipping, that the actual cost will be about $22 but he is willing to absorb the $2 differnce...............ARE YOU SERIOUS

segoja

ask for a refund that should have been discussed up front by the dealer

telephoto1

Was the cost of shipping stated in the guy's terms?

golden

<< <i>ask for a refund that should have been discussed up front by the dealer >>

DIMEMAN

To me it would depend on how hard to find this coin is.

On a 4K coin 20 more bucks is no big deal if I really need the coin.

That said, it should have been stated by the dealer up front.

NewParadigm

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double agree

Ahrensdad

<< <i>ask for a refund that should have been discussed up front by the dealer >>

Bubblehead

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Triple Agree!

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BillJones

There could be a sales tax aspect to this. If you pay the shipping title is coinsidered to have passed to you in his home state, and he is not obligated to collect sales tax from you. If he pays it, the title changes when the coin reaches you, and he would be obligated to collect it. If your state has sales tax, you are supposed to chase them down and pay it.

Either way he messed when he didn't just include in the the $4,000 sales price. I've had dealers send me coins on approval and pay the postage both ways, but then again I might not be the "usual" customer.

My advice is if the coin is hard to find, just pay it. It's not worth cutting off your nose to spite your face if it's a coin you really want and are not sure you can replace soon or at the same price. At the same time this might affect your furture dealings with this vendor.

rhedden

Return the favor. Tell him $4020 is too high, as your profit margin on it is only $15, so "no deal." That ought to get the point across.

VMRCC

If it is a coin you really want or have to have, it may be best to pay but keep this in mind for next time. Was shipping discussed prior to purchase? If so and if you can live without, request a refund.

keyman64

Wow

PerryHall

<< <i>I bought a coin from a major dealer a couple weeks back. I paid their asking price of almost $4000. Sent the check, now today I get an email asking for $20 to pay for shipping, that the actual cost will be about $22 but he is willing to absorb the $2 differnce...............ARE YOU SERIOUS >>



Sounds like the dealer is trying to squeeze another $20 out of you. Pitiful.

lcoopie

I am guessing the email was sent by the staff and the dealer is not aware.
Why don't you send back an email saying you thought it was included and then you can see what the dealer does.

stealer

<< <i>Return the favor. Tell him $4020 is too high, as your profit margin on it is only $15, so "no deal." That ought to get the point across. >>


This guy...

Bochiman

Doesn't sound like any of our fine dealers that frequent these forums....thankfully

LindeDad

Sounds like the dealer needs a lesson in how win friends and influence people.

And yes I would tell him to return my check.

DIMEMAN

If it's a nice 1822 dime.........................................................................I send him the 20 bucks and smile.

coinman23885

<< <i>ask for a refund that should have been discussed up front by the dealer >>



unless this coin will be difficult to replace.

DoubleEagle59

Definitely return it.

End the sale.

Cougar1978

Unbelievable. I think shipping should be free on a $4000 coin. I can't imagine someone having the nerve to thank you for your business like that or be such a dunce he can't price a coin so the shipping cost is covered.

19Lyds

Unbelievable here too.

$22 dollar haggle on a $4,000 coin.

Hmmmmm. Who should absorb this outrageous additional expense?

Justacommeman

I pay what's on the invoice if I decide to buy it. MJ

DoubleEagle59

On second thought, what really peeves me off isn't the $20 shipping charge, according to the seller's email it's the line "It's actually $22, but I'll absorb the $2 cost".

DIMEMAN

Everybody who said send it back is not a true coin collector. If 20 bucks on a 4K coin will cancel the deal, you are not a serious collector.

coinman23885

<< <i>Everybody who said send it back is not a true coin collector. If 20 bucks on a 4K coin will cancel the deal, you are not a serious collector. >>



I disagree. Allowing a dealer to take advantage of you doesn't make you a good coin collector.

DIMEMAN

You can disagree all you want, but if you let 20 bucks on a 4K coin stop a deal on a coin you need.........something is wrong!

lkeigwin

<< <i>You can disagree all you want, but if you let 20 bucks on a 4K coin stop a deal on a coin you need.........something is wrong! >>

If I wanted the coin I wouldn't let $20 stand in the way. But it would make an impression on me, one I wouldn't forget.

Dumb dealer. Let's hope it was just a clerk who was following rules.
Lance.

DIMEMAN

I understand what you are saying Lance, but if the same dealer comes up with another coin I need real bad.........I'm dealing with him again.

TwoSides2aCoin

Send him forty dollars. Don't think twice.... just do it

coindeuce

Find the 22 rattiest, filthiest $1 silver certificates you can muster up and send to him. That might impress upon him your image of this practice. Or you could add a note stating that you felt so sorry for him that you went out in the street and panhandled for this extra amount just to make him whole.

BryceM

You could also send him 2000 loose cents wrapped up in flat rate box.

Personally, I'd call him and sort it out. Lots of misunderstandings are just silly errors instead of a person's actual intent.

coin22lover

Who's the dealer?

astrorat

In the words of Nancy Reagan ... just say no. It sounds as if the two of you agreed on a "delivered" price and now the dealer wants money to cover his/her cost for shipping ... sad, very sad. If you somehow missed an additional cost for shipping then send the $22 with an apology.

stman

Ah, come on now! The poor dealer is probably only making 10-20 dollars on his/her low margins. Give the guy/gal a break.

bestclser1

<< <i>I pay what's on the invoice if I decide to buy it. MJ >>

isnt that the way its supposed to be?

Peacemonkey

Tell him it will cost you 21$ to send him the 20$ but that you are willing to eat the 1$ cost and he can just send you 20$

coinlieutenant

Darryl,

Probably the best thing to do is to send him the 4020$, thank him for the coin and make a mental note of the situation. There will most likely be future dealings with this individual and the knowledge you gain from the transaction is power.

For 20$ you get the coin that you wanted AND experience with this dealer. Keep the ball in your court, which is exactly what 20$ will buy you.

This business is about relationships and building bridges, not burning them down, no matter how everyone may feel about the appropriateness of the 20$ in shipping.

You'll get a chance to make that money back in the future....guaranteed.

V.r,
John

19Lyds

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<< <i>Everybody who said send it back is not a true coin collector. If 20 bucks on a 4K coin will cancel the deal, you are not a serious collector. >>



I disagree. Allowing a dealer to take advantage of you doesn't make you a good coin collector. >>

IMO, $20 ain't "taking advantage".

$200 maybe but certainly not $20 on a $4,000 coin.

19Lyds

<< <i>Find the 22 rattiest, filthiest $1 silver certificates you can muster up and send to him. That might impress upon him your image of this practice. Or you could add a note stating that you felt so sorry for him that you went out in the street and panhandled for this extra amount just to make him whole. >>

Right!

That's the most intelligent form of retribution I've read so far! Send him some dirty cash just to make a statement!

19Lyds

<< <i>You could also send him 2000 loose cents wrapped up in flat rate box. >>



Another WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!

Wait a minute. The harps over an additional $20 but to send those 2,000 loose cents will cost another $5.15?


Yeah! That oughta get the point across!



<< <i>Personally, I'd call him and sort it out. Lots of misunderstandings are just silly errors instead of a person's actual intent. >>



Finally. A rational solution!

19Lyds

<< <i>Darryl,

Probably the best thing to do is to send him the 4020$, thank him for the coin and make a mental note of the situation. There will most likely be future dealings with this individual and the knowledge you gain from the transaction is power.

For 20$ you get the coin that you wanted AND experience with this dealer. Keep the ball in your court, which is exactly what 20$ will buy you.

This business is about relationships and building bridges, not burning them down, no matter how everyone may feel about the appropriateness of the 20$ in shipping.

You'll get a chance to make that money back in the future....guaranteed.

V.r,
John >>

Onedollarnohollar

Tell him you'll pay $20 for the coin and $3,980 for shipping. This is how we do it on Ebay! He only pays tax on $20 to the state!

telephoto1

I'm curious- for those in the "return it" camp, especially those making an issue of the amount involved... at what price level should the seller be expected to automatically eat the shipping and insurance cost?

Further, why do you feel he's somehow obligated to ship it for free, even if shipping's not specifically mentioned?

Why should your or my transaction be any different from the countless others of that amount or more that take place daily, where shipping's a given unless it's specifically stated that it's included in the sale price?

Broadstruck

I had this happen last year as I agreed on a token at full ask $350 shipped and after it was mailed out I was asked for another $8 via email for shipping.

The dealers wife who does his accounting contacted me afterward and almost made it sound like the $8 would make or break them so I mailed out a check.

Edited to add: As petty as it sounded at the time I was happy with the token and never thought about it again until just reading your thread.

PerryHall

<< <i>I'm curious- for those in the "return it" camp, especially those making an issue of the amount involved... at what price level should the seller be expected to automatically eat the shipping and insurance cost?

Further, why do you feel he's somehow obligated to ship it for free, even if shipping's not specifically mentioned?

Why should your or my transaction be any different from the countless others of that amount or more that take place daily, where shipping's a given unless it's specifically stated that it's included in the sale price? >>



If shipping wasn't mentioned, I would assume it was included in the $4000 price quote. If there was an additional shipping cost shouldn't the dealer have mentioned it up front?

telephoto1

If shipping wasn't mentioned, I would assume it was included in the $4000 price quote. If there was an additional shipping cost shouldn't the dealer have mentioned it up front?


Knowing that the piece would obviously need to be shipped, and knowing that the USPS, UPS, Fedex still charge money for their services, why not simply ask? Why does it have to always go one way?

How many times have we excoriated countless buyers on these boards for assuming something about a transaction?

Further, on the subject of assuming things, perhaps the seller assumed that the buyer knew that shipping is added to all orders...as it is with, oh, I don't know.. virtually every dealer who ships coins- unless it is specifically noted otherwise by the seller...

So if there is any assumption to be made by the buyer, it should be that shipping isn't included imo.

RichR

Also tell him to deduct the interest he's collected on the $4000 for the past two weeks in his bank account...and send you the difference!

lcoopie

was the dealer mentioned?

was the deal struck verbally by phone, in personn, internet, email, fax, twitter, facebook, mail, telepathy?

where are the details, you did bring the whole thing up

details

they may be more to this than we have heard

yellowkid

Four grand and they want $20? I'd find someone else to deal with.