20 bucks for shipping on a 4 grand coin is a reasonable price, but if you agreed on a $4000 price for a given coin I would assume that included the shipping to get the coin.
<< <i>I understand what you are saying Lance, but if the same dealer comes up with another coin I need real bad.........I'm dealing with him again. >>
and he will remember to add the cost of shipping that time. If he has coins to sell, he needs buyers and a $20 hit from the past won't keep him from selling. I think he's trying to suck $20 more out of you, and if you do send it to him, you are the "suckee".
<< <i>I can't believe some of you people letting 20 bucks on a 4K coin throw you into such a tizzy!
I seriously think you should look for another hobby!! >>
I think this fits both sides of the argument. >>
Agreed - I think it's a matter of principle on this. Personally, I don't think I'd let the coin get away (depends on what it is, though). I'd probably send the guy the full $22 just to subtly let him know what i think of his shipping "discount". I'd also make sure that I would haggle him down an extra $20 on any future dealings just to get some satisfaction...
This is a major dealer and I do know it came directly from him, I will not mention names but most all of you know this person. I want the coin, and its not that the extra $20 really is an issue, but if you could have read the email he sent it made it sound like he was really doing me a favor by absorbing the extra $2. I really can't see how he can not have anything built into the asking price, which is what I paid. To me its the principal of the whole thing, it just made a bad impression on me and it has biased my opinion on this person's reputation.
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<< <i>If shipping wasn't mentioned, I would assume it was included in the $4000 price quote. If there was an additional shipping cost shouldn't the dealer have mentioned it up front?
Knowing that the piece would obviously need to be shipped, and knowing that the USPS, UPS, Fedex still charge money for their services, why not simply ask? Why does it have to always go one way?
How many times have we excoriated countless buyers on these boards for assuming something about a transaction?
Further, on the subject of assuming things, perhaps the seller assumed that the buyer knew that shipping is added to all orders...as it is with, oh, I don't know.. virtually every dealer who ships coins- unless it is specifically noted otherwise by the seller...
So if there is any assumption to be made by the buyer, it should be that shipping isn't included imo. >>
It's a business for the dealer, therefore, imho, the dealer should have very clearly stated terms. To do otherwise, ie...the allow assumptions, is to be sloppy in business. It's always easy to point the finger at the person bringing something to light (the OP and this issue), but one should also be suspect if the dealer sold the coin for a set amount and didn't mention shipping AT THAT TIME. No matter whether it is an online purchase, email purchase, or phone purchase. It it up to the business person, who has presumably sold and shipped more than 1 coin before and isn't a newbie to this, to mention if there is a shipping charge.
If the dealer is too sloppy to know their own business practices and costs, what else might they screw up at?
<< <i>If shipping wasn't mentioned, I would assume it was included in the $4000 price quote. If there was an additional shipping cost shouldn't the dealer have mentioned it up front?
Knowing that the piece would obviously need to be shipped, and knowing that the USPS, UPS, Fedex still charge money for their services, why not simply ask? Why does it have to always go one way?
How many times have we excoriated countless buyers on these boards for assuming something about a transaction?
Further, on the subject of assuming things, perhaps the seller assumed that the buyer knew that shipping is added to all orders...as it is with, oh, I don't know.. virtually every dealer who ships coins- unless it is specifically noted otherwise by the seller...
So if there is any assumption to be made by the buyer, it should be that shipping isn't included imo. >>
It's a business for the dealer, therefore, imho, the dealer should have very clearly stated terms. To do otherwise, ie...the allow assumptions, is to be sloppy in business. It's always easy to point the finger at the person bringing something to light (the OP and this issue), but one should also be suspect if the dealer sold the coin for a set amount and didn't mention shipping AT THAT TIME. No matter whether it is an online purchase, email purchase, or phone purchase. It it up to the business person, who has presumably sold and shipped more than 1 coin before and isn't a newbie to this, to mention if there is a shipping charge.
If the dealer is too sloppy to know their own business practices and costs, what else might they screw up at? >>
I understand the point you're trying to make, but regardless of what side of the deal you're on; there should be a clear understanding of the costs involved including shipping, regardless of who has to ask the question. As a dealer, we clearly state whether shipping is free (usually the case with ebay deals anymore) or if there is a charge... but- by the same token- as a BUYER, I make sure I know exactly what my cost will be including shipping before I agree to the deal, and I assume nothing.
I guess what I'm saying is that at a minimum, both sides bear at least some responsibility as far as communication is concerned imo. The assumption that it's a one way street in that regard, no matter who does the assuming, usually leads to a problem.
It's like the old saying goes; when in doubt, ask.
I don't think this necessarily has to turn out to be a big deal with refunds and all that. If it were me and I received that email, I would simply reply with:
"I am glad you received the check safely. Regarding the shipping, my understanding was our agreed upon price including shipping." Thanks yadda yadda...
I would put it back in his court and maybe he or she gets the point.
Simple as that. I also realize you were sharing your story and perhaps not asking for advice etc.
<< <i>Probably the best thing to do is to send him the 4020$, thank him for the coin and make a mental note of the situation. There will most likely be future dealings with this individual and the knowledge you gain from the transaction is power. >>
Bingo.
Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
What Broadstruck said, with a little "Grey Poupon" on it. And not to steer the thread off course, but consider that a $4K coin might actually go up in value a lot faster than this thread could, at this point, and as time passes us all by. In the meantime, this is a good "sticker shock" thread.
For four grand, I'm a little suprised we haven't seen that : "THIS THREAD IS USELESS WITHOUT PICS" picture ?
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<< <i>I understand what you are saying Lance, but if the same dealer comes up with another coin I need real bad.........I'm dealing with him again.
and he will remember to add the cost of shipping that time. If he has coins to sell, he needs buyers and a $20 hit from the past won't keep him from selling. I think he's trying to suck $20 more out of you, and if you do send it to him, you are the "suckee".
I seriously think you should look for another hobby!!
<< <i>I can't believe some of you people letting 20 bucks on a 4K coin throw you into such a tizzy!
I seriously think you should look for another hobby!!
I think this fits both sides of the argument.
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<< <i>I can't believe some of you people letting 20 bucks on a 4K coin throw you into such a tizzy!
I seriously think you should look for another hobby!!
I think this fits both sides of the argument. >>
Agreed - I think it's a matter of principle on this. Personally, I don't think I'd let the coin get away (depends on what it is, though). I'd probably send the guy the full $22 just to subtly let him know what i think of his shipping "discount". I'd also make sure that I would haggle him down an extra $20 on any future dealings just to get some satisfaction...
Why bring it up in te first place?
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<< <i>If shipping wasn't mentioned, I would assume it was included in the $4000 price quote. If there was an additional shipping cost shouldn't the dealer have mentioned it up front?
Knowing that the piece would obviously need to be shipped, and knowing that the USPS, UPS, Fedex still charge money for their services, why not simply ask? Why does it have to always go one way?
How many times have we excoriated countless buyers on these boards for assuming something about a transaction?
Further, on the subject of assuming things, perhaps the seller assumed that the buyer knew that shipping is added to all orders...as it is with, oh, I don't know.. virtually every dealer who ships coins- unless it is specifically noted otherwise by the seller...
So if there is any assumption to be made by the buyer, it should be that shipping isn't included imo. >>
It's a business for the dealer, therefore, imho, the dealer should have very clearly stated terms. To do otherwise, ie...the allow assumptions, is to be sloppy in business.
It's always easy to point the finger at the person bringing something to light (the OP and this issue), but one should also be suspect if the dealer sold the coin for a set amount and didn't mention shipping AT THAT TIME. No matter whether it is an online purchase, email purchase, or phone purchase. It it up to the business person, who has presumably sold and shipped more than 1 coin before and isn't a newbie to this, to mention if there is a shipping charge.
If the dealer is too sloppy to know their own business practices and costs, what else might they screw up at?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>Everybody who said send it back is not a true coin collector. If 20 bucks on a 4K coin will cancel the deal, you are not a serious collector. >>
By using this logic, one could say that: “If 20 bucks on a 4K coin will cancel the deal, you are not a serious DEALER.”
<< <i>You can disagree all you want, but if you let 20 bucks on a 4K coin stop a deal on a coin you need.........something is wrong! >>
I guess some take this hobby a little too seriously!
I always thought there was a difference between “need” and “want”.
I also would ask for a refund. Guess I’m not a “serious collector”.
<< <i> excoriated >>
New word for me... Thanks Tele!
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<< <i>If shipping wasn't mentioned, I would assume it was included in the $4000 price quote. If there was an additional shipping cost shouldn't the dealer have mentioned it up front?
Knowing that the piece would obviously need to be shipped, and knowing that the USPS, UPS, Fedex still charge money for their services, why not simply ask? Why does it have to always go one way?
How many times have we excoriated countless buyers on these boards for assuming something about a transaction?
Further, on the subject of assuming things, perhaps the seller assumed that the buyer knew that shipping is added to all orders...as it is with, oh, I don't know.. virtually every dealer who ships coins- unless it is specifically noted otherwise by the seller...
So if there is any assumption to be made by the buyer, it should be that shipping isn't included imo. >>
It's a business for the dealer, therefore, imho, the dealer should have very clearly stated terms. To do otherwise, ie...the allow assumptions, is to be sloppy in business.
It's always easy to point the finger at the person bringing something to light (the OP and this issue), but one should also be suspect if the dealer sold the coin for a set amount and didn't mention shipping AT THAT TIME. No matter whether it is an online purchase, email purchase, or phone purchase. It it up to the business person, who has presumably sold and shipped more than 1 coin before and isn't a newbie to this, to mention if there is a shipping charge.
If the dealer is too sloppy to know their own business practices and costs, what else might they screw up at? >>
I understand the point you're trying to make, but regardless of what side of the deal you're on; there should be a clear understanding of the costs involved including shipping, regardless of who has to ask the question. As a dealer, we clearly state whether shipping is free (usually the case with ebay deals anymore) or if there is a charge... but- by the same token- as a BUYER, I make sure I know exactly what my cost will be including shipping before I agree to the deal, and I assume nothing.
I guess what I'm saying is that at a minimum, both sides bear at least some responsibility as far as communication is concerned imo. The assumption that it's a one way street in that regard, no matter who does the assuming, usually leads to a problem.
It's like the old saying goes; when in doubt, ask.
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"I am glad you received the check safely. Regarding the shipping, my understanding was our agreed upon price including shipping." Thanks yadda yadda...
I would put it back in his court and maybe he or she gets the point.
Simple as that. I also realize you were sharing your story and perhaps not asking for advice etc.
<< <i>ask for a refund that should have been discussed up front by the dealer >>
<< <i>Probably the best thing to do is to send him the 4020$, thank him for the coin and make a mental note of the situation. There will most likely be future dealings with this individual and the knowledge you gain from the transaction is power. >>
Bingo.
As we all know coin dealers love anything that they can eat with mustard!
I believe no judgement should be made
either way
In the meantime, this is a good "sticker shock" thread.
For four grand, I'm a little suprised we haven't seen that : "THIS THREAD IS USELESS WITHOUT PICS" picture ?
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