<< <i>The quote from David Hall was that he believed that no toned Peace dollars are naturally toned, NOT that they wouldn't grade them. Again, it comes down to MA vs. not-MA.
-Paul >>
Bingo. And for the record, Hall expressly stated that PCGS would continue to holder toned Peace Dollars notwithstanding his opinion.
If you're so convinced that these are NT, and our host will indeed holder toned Peace dollars, then it only seems logical that you should submit them through the Secure Plus service at PCGS and let the 'sniffer' take a whiff at them....
Why not go that route? If they made it into that holder then those common dates with the validated color might justify the expense and efforts you're putting into them.
Let the truth prevail
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<< <i>If you're so convinced that these are NT, and our host will indeed holder toned Peace dollars, then it only seems logical that you should submit them through the Secure Plus service at PCGS and let the 'sniffer' take a whiff at them....
Why not go that route? If they made it into that holder then those common dates with the validated color might justify the expense and efforts you're putting into them.
Let the truth prevail >>
i had thought about this what exactly do they do to determin if its NT when u do secure + even if the color looks AT but the sniffer says they are good are they slabbed i dont totaly understand this type of service im open to hear about it
<< <i>Based on what you yourself have stated, I believe that you submitted them to ngc because you believed them to be looser. Therefore you aren't as confident as you suggest. The truth is ngc is the losser of the 2 services and thus you thought the odds were better and not that pcgs wouldn't holder a toned Peace $, which you must admit is idio....ridiculous..tic >>
After reading this thread, I cannot say that I am surprised by anything that I have read.
People who don't really understand how the TPGs operate, aren't reasonably proficient at grading what they collect, etc., should solicit the opinions of more experienced people before blindly sending coins in for grading. Any inexperienced collector who attempts to engage in a kind of numismatic arbitrage should be prepared for repeated spankings.
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<< <i>After reading this thread, I cannot say that I am surprised by anything that I have read.
People who don't really understand how the TPGs operate, aren't reasonably proficient at grading what they collect, etc., should solicit the opinions of more experienced people before blindly sending coins in for grading. Any inexperienced collector who attempts to engage in a kind of numismatic arbitrage should be prepared for repeated spankings......or else they shouldn't be publicly whining about it >>
Let me just add a caveat to what you wrote....I put it in bold above.....
<< <i>If you're so convinced that these are NT, and our host will indeed holder toned Peace dollars, then it only seems logical that you should submit them through the Secure Plus service at PCGS and let the 'sniffer' take a whiff at them....
Why not go that route? If they made it into that holder then those common dates with the validated color might justify the expense and efforts you're putting into them.
Let the truth prevail >>
i had thought about this what exactly do they do to determin if its NT when u do secure + even if the color looks AT but the sniffer says they are good are they slabbed i dont totaly understand this type of service im open to hear about it >>
<< <i>If you're so convinced that these are NT, and our host will indeed holder toned Peace dollars, then it only seems logical that you should submit them through the Secure Plus service at PCGS and let the 'sniffer' take a whiff at them....
Why not go that route? If they made it into that holder then those common dates with the validated color might justify the expense and efforts you're putting into them.
Let the truth prevail >>
i had thought about this what exactly do they do to determin if its NT when u do secure + even if the color looks AT but the sniffer says they are good are they slabbed i dont totaly understand this type of service im open to hear about it >>
Not at all. Graders have final say on MA/NMA >>
There have also been any number of posts here about coins taken directly from the cello mint packs that have been returned as AT so the graders aren't necessarily always right. Coins have been stored in purses, books, leather case, wallets, etc. unmentionable drawers and the like that all result in appearances that aren't common but that doesn't mean they are AT. Just because Joe the Grader hasn't seen something doesn't mean that it isn't real or true. To quote Barry Alvarez after the Badgers miraculously snatched victory from the jaws of defeat at the MetroDome in 2005; "just when you think you've seen it all, you haven't seen it all".
<< <i>If you're so convinced that these are NT, and our host will indeed holder toned Peace dollars, then it only seems logical that you should submit them through the Secure Plus service at PCGS and let the 'sniffer' take a whiff at them....
Why not go that route? If they made it into that holder then those common dates with the validated color might justify the expense and efforts you're putting into them.
Let the truth prevail >>
i had thought about this what exactly do they do to determin if its NT when u do secure + even if the color looks AT but the sniffer says they are good are they slabbed i dont totaly understand this type of service im open to hear about it >>
Not at all. Graders have final say on MA/NMA >>
r There have also been any number of posts here about coins taken directly from the cello mint packs that have been returned as AT so the graders aren't necessarily always right. Coins have been stored in purses, books, leather case, wallets, etc. unmentionable drawes and the like that all result in appearances that aren't common but that doesn't mean they are AT. Just because Joe the Grader hasn't seen something doesn't mean that it isn't real or true. To quote Barry Alvarez after the Badgers miraculously snatched victory from the jaws of defeat at the Metro Dome in 2005; "just when you think you've seen it all, you haven't seen it all". >>
Yes, I realize that. I'm just saying that it doesn't matter if the coin passes the sniffer test.
Well, I guess the sniffer test is just one of many factors considered when making a final decision on a toned coin and it's ability to grade. Sorry, I guess I had put too much weight into it...
That's what's great about this forum....Lots to learn. Thanks.
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<< <i>The quote from David Hall was that he believed that no toned Peace dollars are naturally toned, NOT that they wouldn't grade them. Again, it comes down to MA vs. not-MA.
-Paul >>
Bingo. And for the record, Hall expressly stated that PCGS would continue to holder toned Peace Dollars notwithstanding his opinion.
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Very true but some people win many more than they lose while some lose more then they would like to admit.
<< <i>you win some and lose some >>
And some get rained out, but you got to suit up for them all.
Why not go that route? If they made it into that holder then those common dates with the validated color might justify the expense and efforts
you're putting into them.
Let the truth prevail
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<< <i>If you're so convinced that these are NT, and our host will indeed holder toned Peace dollars, then it only seems logical that you should submit them through the Secure Plus service at PCGS and let the 'sniffer' take a whiff at them....
Why not go that route? If they made it into that holder then those common dates with the validated color might justify the expense and efforts
you're putting into them.
Let the truth prevail
i had thought about this what exactly do they do to determin if its NT when u do secure + even if the color looks AT but the sniffer says they are good are they slabbed i dont totaly understand this type of service im open to hear about it
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That is beyond the capabilities of the sniffer, except for a few very crude toning methods that are usually already obvious to the experienced eye.
For the vast majority of toners, there is no difference chemically between AT/NT.
The AT/NT determination is usually made by the graders, not the machine.
<< <i>Based on what you yourself have stated, I believe that you submitted them to ngc because you believed them to be looser. Therefore you aren't as confident as you suggest. The truth is ngc is the losser of the 2 services and thus you thought the odds were better and not that pcgs wouldn't holder a toned Peace $, which you must admit is idio....ridiculous..tic
This hits the nail on the head
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People who don't really understand how the TPGs operate, aren't reasonably proficient at grading what they collect, etc., should solicit the opinions of more experienced people before blindly sending coins in for grading. Any inexperienced collector who attempts to engage in a kind of numismatic arbitrage should be prepared for repeated spankings.
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<< <i>After reading this thread, I cannot say that I am surprised by anything that I have read.
People who don't really understand how the TPGs operate, aren't reasonably proficient at grading what they collect, etc., should solicit the opinions of more experienced people before blindly sending coins in for grading. Any inexperienced collector who attempts to engage in a kind of numismatic arbitrage should be prepared for repeated spankings......or else they shouldn't be publicly whining about it >>
Let me just add a caveat to what you wrote....I put it in bold above.....
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<< <i>If you're so convinced that these are NT, and our host will indeed holder toned Peace dollars, then it only seems logical that you should submit them through the Secure Plus service at PCGS and let the 'sniffer' take a whiff at them....
Why not go that route? If they made it into that holder then those common dates with the validated color might justify the expense and efforts
you're putting into them.
Let the truth prevail
i had thought about this what exactly do they do to determin if its NT when u do secure + even if the color looks AT but the sniffer says they are good are they slabbed i dont totaly understand this type of service im open to hear about it >>
Not at all. Graders have final say on MA/NMA
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<< <i>If you're so convinced that these are NT, and our host will indeed holder toned Peace dollars, then it only seems logical that you should submit them through the Secure Plus service at PCGS and let the 'sniffer' take a whiff at them....
Why not go that route? If they made it into that holder then those common dates with the validated color might justify the expense and efforts
you're putting into them.
Let the truth prevail
i had thought about this what exactly do they do to determin if its NT when u do secure + even if the color looks AT but the sniffer says they are good are they slabbed i dont totaly understand this type of service im open to hear about it >>
Not at all. Graders have final say on MA/NMA >>
There have also been any number of posts here about coins taken directly from the cello mint packs that have been returned as AT so the graders aren't necessarily always right. Coins have been stored in purses, books, leather case, wallets, etc. unmentionable drawers and the like that all result in appearances that aren't common but that doesn't mean they are AT. Just because Joe the Grader hasn't seen something doesn't mean that it isn't real or true. To quote Barry Alvarez after the Badgers miraculously snatched victory from the jaws of defeat at the MetroDome in 2005; "just when you think you've seen it all, you haven't seen it all".
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<< <i>If you're so convinced that these are NT, and our host will indeed holder toned Peace dollars, then it only seems logical that you should submit them through the Secure Plus service at PCGS and let the 'sniffer' take a whiff at them....
Why not go that route? If they made it into that holder then those common dates with the validated color might justify the expense and efforts
you're putting into them.
Let the truth prevail
i had thought about this what exactly do they do to determin if its NT when u do secure + even if the color looks AT but the sniffer says they are good are they slabbed i dont totaly understand this type of service im open to hear about it >>
Not at all. Graders have final say on MA/NMA >>
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There have also been any number of posts here about coins taken directly from the cello mint packs that have been returned as AT so the graders aren't necessarily always right. Coins have been stored in purses, books, leather case, wallets, etc. unmentionable drawes and the like that all result in appearances that aren't common but that doesn't mean they are AT. Just because Joe the Grader hasn't seen something doesn't mean that it isn't real or true. To quote Barry Alvarez after the Badgers miraculously snatched victory from the jaws of defeat at the Metro Dome in 2005; "just when you think you've seen it all, you haven't seen it all". >>
Yes, I realize that. I'm just saying that it doesn't matter if the coin passes the sniffer test.
<< <i>Sorry, but even from those poor scans, it looks like blatant artificial toning.
-Paul >>
I agree with Paul here
Sorry, I guess I had put too much weight into it...
That's what's great about this forum....Lots to learn.
Thanks.
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