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1850-c $5...how will it come back (result posted)

stevebensteveben Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭✭✭
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this coin was in an old anacs holder as ef40. i sent it in for crossover with a minimum grade of xf40 a while back and it came back DNC, code 85.

i called pcgs customer service to ask about code 85 (which means, simply, DNC) and they said that meant that it did not cross because of the minimum grade i specified. i was wondering if it was because it was not gradable due to the reverse scratch or pvc.

since then, i decided to crack it out, give it an acetone bath, and submit it raw on a collector club submission (i needed one more coin to complete my submission anyway). it's almost time for the grade to post...but it hasn't yet, and the suspense is somewhat killing me...so i decided to make a little poll on it. choose what you think it's fate will be.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,053 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is this how it looks after you gave it the acetone bath? Does it still have the green stuff (PVC?) on the reverse? If so it won't grade. If the green stuff is gone, I'd say VF-30, but I've seen worse (cleaned) called EF-40.
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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    really clueless on these early gold pieces...i dropped a vf30
    quick question though
    where's the C
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  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭✭✭
    no, that's how it looked in the old holder. i don't have a photo of the coin since the acetone bath. the acetone bath removed the green stuff at 12 on the obv and at 9 and 12 on the rev. the spot near the claw did not go away...that spot looks more black in hand than in the photo.
  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>really clueless on these early gold pieces...i dropped a vf30
    quick question though
    where's the C >>



    it's faint above the E in FIVE. very faint.
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VF30-35
  • michiganboymichiganboy Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭
    I'm thinking genuine cleaned.
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    IF you checked "details grading" i'll go

    xf details

    or if it grades

    vf35
    .

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Boy, that "C" is hard to see. I think I can see the top serif, but would never have thought it to be a "C" if not told where to look.
  • 123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    I think it should grade VF-35 though it might come back as low as VF-30.
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  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    Too hard to see the "c'
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think one of several items will be noted on a Gennie holder.
    And if you checked the right box VF Details will be the grade.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,231 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks VF35.

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  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    vf 30 or scratched imo
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  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If it grades, VF25.
    Otherwise scratched/cleaned.

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  • ajmanajman Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭


    << <i>no, that's how it looked in the old holder. i don't have a photo of the coin since the acetone bath. the acetone bath removed the green stuff at 12 on the obv and at 9 and 12 on the rev. the spot near the claw did not go away...that spot looks more black in hand than in the photo. >>

    Steve can you post a few pics of the coin after the bath after you receive it back from PCGS? I think it looks fine before it, but I'm curious to see it after, especially the spot by the claw that you said looks darker in hand than the pic indicates. On my monitor that particular spot looks bright green. At any rate overall I like the look of the coin, and if you were successful in removing any eye appeal issues (the pvc) it looks like a nice coin.
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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I vote 25 with a little net grading envolved.
  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the result posted about 5 minutes after i put this thread up. weird coincidence huh? anyway...here's the cert:

    VF35

    i'll post better photos once i have the coin back. the current photos of this coin are horrible. they show the coin in a really bad light and prove that i am a lousy photographer. image

    also, like i said, the pvc residue came off after a bath. i did not rub, scrub, roll, poke, or pat the surface of the coin with anything. just a soak, a rinse, and an air dry.

    thanks for the opinions and the the votes. i'm happy with the grade...i think it's a fair grade for this coin...even thought i bought it as EF40...i'm not buried in it.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,053 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Boy, that "C" is hard to see. I think I can see the top serif, but would never have thought it to be a "C" if not told where to look. >>



    Weak mint marks and coins with the entire reverse very poorly struck are not unusual for these coins. The quality control standards at the Charlotte and Dahlonega mints were often very low. This was partly due to lax standards implemented by the mint personal, but the Philadelphia mint shared some of the blame too. All of the dies were made at the Philadelphia mint and shipped to the branch mints. Quite often the poorest dies were sent to the branch mints while the head office used the better ones.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,231 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 1850-D also comes with a very weak mintmark. It's as a result of the mintmark being weakly puched into the reverse die rather than the coin being weakly struck.

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,364 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VF 35 with a sticker in it's future
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  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭✭✭
    okay, i tried to take some better photos this time. the green stuff is still there. the photos seem to accentuate it. but if i look under a loop carefully, it is green...just not as green looking as in the photos. it graded but i am wondering...is this going to damage the coin long term or is the damage already done?

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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    congrats
    now you can send it in for spot review and they'll address the green meanies...image
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  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yeah, i thought about that...but should i feel guilty?
  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭✭✭
    hopefully you can see the C better in that last photo.
  • CharlotteDudeCharlotteDude Posts: 3,034 ✭✭✭✭✭
    All I see are little blue boxes with question marks in them.

    That said, I'd grade it VG-XF with "questionable" color...

    'dude
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  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>All I see are little blue boxes with question marks in them.

    That said, I'd grade it VG-XF with "questionable" color...

    'dude >>



    you are late to the party dude. i'll pm you a photo later.

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