what known dealers/forum members can be trusted to buy sight unseen from
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another thread inspired this one
i'm truly at a lost where to start a list as there is...
sooo many dealers i could simply just ask for a description of a coin to buy from and find success in doing so
my list would include dealers but also " fellow forum members "
and my list would be very-very long a sample list includes
rick of eagle eye
brian wagner of bwrc
wei of wtcg
andy of angel dee's
russ
madmarty
james of jmsc
robec
stewart blay
dmjw
brandon of john e cash
chrisrx
paul of commoncentsrarecoins
broadstruck
coinsarefun
pennyannie
aijaa
mark feld
charmy the penny lady
yeah i'm sorry for those i haven't listed...there's just soo many dealers and forum members that all one need to do is just ask about a coin as they're more then happy to inform us of a coins true eye appeal without need for an image
yeah my list would be way too long and i'd feel bad accidentally not listing those too
i'm truly at a lost where to start a list as there is...
sooo many dealers i could simply just ask for a description of a coin to buy from and find success in doing so
my list would include dealers but also " fellow forum members "
and my list would be very-very long a sample list includes
rick of eagle eye
brian wagner of bwrc
wei of wtcg
andy of angel dee's
russ
madmarty
james of jmsc
robec
stewart blay
dmjw
brandon of john e cash
chrisrx
paul of commoncentsrarecoins
broadstruck
coinsarefun
pennyannie
aijaa
mark feld
charmy the penny lady
yeah i'm sorry for those i haven't listed...there's just soo many dealers and forum members that all one need to do is just ask about a coin as they're more then happy to inform us of a coins true eye appeal without need for an image
yeah my list would be way too long and i'd feel bad accidentally not listing those too
everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see
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Second, I would add RYK.
That said, it is dangerous to buy, for a collection standpoint, any non-modern (some may add modern as well), sight unseen without having had interactions of sorts with the other side.
Reason is that, for many and for many coins, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and what one person ("dealer") feels about a coin may not be the same as the other person.
Not all AU58s are the same, not all MS63s are the same, not all 1877 IHCs are the same, etc.
So, once a "dealer" has an idea what I like (from toning/look/"meat" perspective), then I would have not problem buying "sight unseen" from a small handful.....
Mark Feld, CRO, RYK (not a dealer), are definitely at the top of my personal list as, if it is gold and RYK likes it, then I think I would as well. If it were a colonial, or that time period, I would trust CRO for sight unseen.
For most series, I would trust Mark Feld as well (I say "most" and not "all" only because there are some series that I don't think Mark deals in as much as the others, but he is top notch and I trust him implicitly).
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
sales are never final untill the 2 in them agree and the better part of such transactions freely offer that
no hassle/issue return policies
for every one knuckle head in this hobby i've found 2 or 3 to support...one a great bunch of people we truly are hiding behind these computers
and never enough can be said about that
Mitch (wondercoins)
David Poole
All three are very honest and have an eye for My series.
<< <i>Why would it ever be necessary to buy a coin sight unseen? >>
It would never be necessary since buying a coin with a return policy makes it a sight seen purchase. This thread is silly unless you're a blind coin collector.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
who you may order from sight unseen
many mentioned have and seem to insist on a return if not satisfied
and
most prefer you pay
after seeing the coin
in my experience
<< <i>Why would it ever be necessary to buy a coin sight unseen? >>
It shouldn't be necessary to do this. However, I wonder if some buyers use this strategy as a means to obtain lower prices (i.e., in return for waiver of return privileges).
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
Tom Bush
Darrell Kreis
Dave Weygant
David Kahn
Dennis West
Lance Keigwin
Tyler Child
<< <i>Why would it ever be necessary to buy a coin sight unseen? >>
Some sellers just won't jump through those hoops. You either want it or you don't.
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<< <i>Why would it ever be necessary to buy a coin sight unseen? >>
Some sellers just won't jump through those hoops. You either want it or you don't. >>
Yes, I want it, I want it! Can I have it on 24 hr. approval? I know Laura and George.
Sometimes you need the opinion in place of you being able to hold the coin. That is why people have representatives bid for them at auction. And that is AFTER they have viewed the coin for you in person and rendered an opinion. To me, a trusted dealer is a MOST valuable asset.
but how can anyone describe the looks that "sings to you" ?
<< <i>So if I offered you a PCGS pop one no finer CAC stickered territorial to complete your collection at a reasonable price but you had to pass or play without seeing it, you'd absolutely positively say no? >>
Substitute colonial for territorial - I would absolutely positively say no.
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<< <i>So if I offered you a PCGS pop one no finer CAC stickered territorial to complete your collection at a reasonable price but you had to pass or play without seeing it, you'd absolutely positively say no? >>
Substitute colonial for territorial - I would absolutely positively say no. >>
Unless I knew the coin from prior research Top Pop, PCGS, CAC are meaningless to me sight unseen.
Now send it via approval with a return option and I'll let you know in less then a minute of arrival.
<< <i>Liking a coin is a very personal thing - I gotta see it - sorry.
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
So if I offered you - you have a great eye - tempting....
a PCGS pop one no finer - I would probably be already familiar with the coin.....
CAC stickered - doesn't mean anything to me - they make mistakes.....
territorial to complete your collection - I quit trying to complete anything a few years ago after being offered coins at shot prices or bid against for sport.....
at a reasonable price - reasonable to who?? If cheap enough and I could flip it if I didn't like it, tempting. If I'm the ultimate pigeon, then no.
but you had to pass or play without seeing it - sounds like I'm dealing with a used car salesman......
you'd absolutely positively say no? - more likely than not.
If I were to say that I don’t trust Mr. X to be a dealer from whom I will buy coins sight-unseen (and presumably without a return privilege), the impression is given that Mr. X is uncaring or insufficiently discerning or worse, apt to send problem coins. Since this is certainly not the message I would be intending, I agree with previous respondents that “trust” is not the best term to use in the OP’s original question. I trust a good many suppliers to deal with me professionally and ethically, but not one of them has an eye for a coin’s appeal that is identical to mine, nor do I expect them to have my eye, nor will there ever be such a person. (Hell, I occasionally disagree with even myself after several months of owning a coin.)
Tradedollarnut asked, “So if I offered you a PCGS pop one no finer CAC stickered territorial to complete your collection at a reasonable price but you had to pass or play without seeing it, you'd absolutely positively say no?
The answer is yes, I would say no if the coin came with no reasonable return, since I have not found beauty in every single PCGS/CAC certified coin, and living without the right coin can be much less painful than living with the wrong one.
Whit
If Tradedollarnut offered me the coin ( presumably he looked at it or owned it ) and it was cac stickered and pcgs I would play in a heartbeat!
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
I personally would also trust the magnificent eyeballs of Andy Lustig ........
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
<< <i>Tradedollarnut asked, “So if I offered you a PCGS pop one no finer CAC stickered territorial to complete your collection at a reasonable price but you had to pass or play without seeing it, you'd absolutely positively say no?
If Tradedollarnut offered me the coin ( presumably he looked at it or owned it ) and it was cac stickered and pcgs I would play in a heartbeat! >>
What if he said that there are no returns and, if you don't like it, tough luck---you're stuck with it?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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<< <i>Tradedollarnut asked, “So if I offered you a PCGS pop one no finer CAC stickered territorial to complete your collection at a reasonable price but you had to pass or play without seeing it, you'd absolutely positively say no?
If Tradedollarnut offered me the coin ( presumably he looked at it or owned it ) and it was cac stickered and pcgs I would play in a heartbeat! >>
What if he said that there are no returns and, if you don't like it, tough luck---you're stuck with it? >>
I said in my other post that I would trust a few persons to view/buy/bid on coins for me......though I do not have a personal numismatic relationship with him....based on Tradedollarnut's reputation being steller at grading and honestly approved by him...... even with no returns I would be a buyer if offered . Thats easy to answer.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Say any 76s DDO comes up I am a buyer, point blank
A common 77s I want to see it.
<< <i>With digital photography these days, why should anyone have to buy a coin site unseen unless the dealer/ seller is living in the dark ages. >>
Taking a photo of sufficient quality to allow a confident appraisal is not a trivial task. Since even the best
photos aren't a substitute for viewing the coin in hand, I'd recommend this strategy only for people who've
been around the block enough times to assess the risks and don't mind getting burned now and then.
I saw. Everyone sees a coin differently. And there are mostly very picky buyers on this forum, especially as the price of coins heads up into 4 figures and higher.
Even the best dealers in the world only agree with PCGS 80-85% of the time. I guess my concern is with that other 15-20%. Nothing is 100%. If I had to pick a dozen
of the top grader/dealers to go to bat for me and buy sight-unseen at auctions, most of them aren't even listed. That's a big hole in the list. Heck, I don't even trust myself
anymore.
If I'm offered a coin that is perfect for a client, and if I'm not willing or able to "stock it", and if the seller is unwilling to consign the coin to me for a number of days, the only way to get the deal done is to make a call to the client and see if he's willing to buy the coin based on my description. Not the best way to do things, but it usually works well enough.
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Ron
<< <i>Let's change the item for a minute to mail order brides. Now, would you take one sight unseen? >>
Sure!
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<< <i>Let's change the item for a minute to mail order brides. Now, would you take one sight unseen? >>
Sure!
This looks just like the bride I ordered from Russia last year!!
Ron
<< <i>I'd be careful with such lists. I've inspected the inventory of some of the dealers on this list at major shows and frankly would be disappointed to get some of the coins
I saw. Everyone sees a coin differently. And there are mostly very picky buyers on this forum, especially as the price of coins heads up into 4 figures and higher.
Even the best dealers in the world only agree with PCGS 80-85% of the time. I guess my concern is with that other 15-20%. Nothing is 100%. If I had to pick a dozen
of the top grader/dealers to go to bat for me and buy sight-unseen at auctions, most of them aren't even listed. That's a big hole in the list. Heck, I don't even trust myself
anymore.
This.
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<< <i>Let's change the item for a minute to mail order brides. Now, would you take one sight unseen? >>
Sure!
This looks just like the bride I ordered from Russia last year!!
Ron
With a comment like that you deserve worse!
<< <i>but you had to pass or play without seeing it - sounds like I'm dealing with a used car salesman....... >>
Agree with your conclusion. When a dealer refuses to allow a return, I have to wonder what's wrong with the coin that the dealer won't stand behind his merchandise. Pass.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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<< <i>but you had to pass or play without seeing it - sounds like I'm dealing with a used car salesman....... >>
Agree with your conclusion. When a dealer refuses to allow a return, I have to wonder what's wrong with the coin that the dealer won't stand behind his merchandise. Pass. >>
Nah - bad conclusion. It just means the coin resides with a cranky collector and the dealer is trying to broker a deal at too high a price to stock it himself. Dealers in most cases aren't as much jerks as collectors tend to be - they have to stay in business!
It's an expensive hobby. If the dealer and I can't both agree on an arrangement with which we are both comfortable, we should both move on.
I love to play blackjack...if you're going to gamble with hard earned money, do it as smartly as you can and always cut the cards.
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<< <i>but you had to pass or play without seeing it - sounds like I'm dealing with a used car salesman....... >>
Agree with your conclusion. When a dealer refuses to allow a return, I have to wonder what's wrong with the coin that the dealer won't stand behind his merchandise. Pass. >>
Nah - bad conclusion. It just means the coin resides with a cranky collector and the dealer is trying to broker a deal at too high a price to stock it himself. Dealers in most cases aren't as much jerks as collectors tend to be - they have to stay in business! >>
TDN - It depends on the dealer. If a particular dealer thinks his customer base is deep enough, he can be as selective as he chooses to be with other potential clients. Ergo, I won't accept just anyone who asks me to do accounting work for a client.
Some other dealers just don't care. They do what they do, and if it doesn't work out, they go BK and start over again.
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
If dealers could get along with others, there wouldn't be so many in business as sole proprietors.
<< <i>Nah - bad conclusion. It just means the coin resides with a cranky collector and the dealer is trying to broker a deal at too high a price to stock it himself. Dealers in most cases aren't as much jerks as collectors tend to be - they have to stay in business!
If dealers could get along with others, there wouldn't be so many in business as sole proprietors. >>
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Rainbow Stars
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<< <i>Why would it ever be necessary to buy a coin sight unseen? >>
It would never be necessary since buying a coin with a return policy makes it a sight seen purchase. This thread is silly unless you're a blind coin collector. >>
that rocked
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
<< <i>When I bought the Eliasberg 1885 trade dollar from Parrino right before the Childs 1804 dollar auction, I had never seen the coin and had no return privilege. >>
Really? Never saw it here?
Regardless, that's seems like the sort of 'known' coin any number of people could have given you chapter and verse about -
Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.