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GTG 1900 $10 PCGS Rattler *grade revealed on page 2

BaleyBaley Posts: 22,661 ✭✭✭✭✭
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what do you think is the grade on the tag?

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and if different, what do you think is the grade of the coin?

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thanks

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  • stealerstealer Posts: 3,997 ✭✭✭✭
    Tag: 62
    Now: 62+/63
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    61 these days. could be as low as 58
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  • JustlookingJustlooking Posts: 2,895 ✭
    I'm not seeing much rub. I'd go 62.
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  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Back then, a lot of MS61 seemed to be given out for baggy coins.
    That would be my guess.

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  • HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks around MS61 with nice luster.
  • CoinDogsCoinDogs Posts: 77
    MS62
  • USMoneyloverUSMoneylover Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭
    Looks like a 62 to my eyes.
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  • TheBigBTheBigB Posts: 942 ✭
    I go with the consensus grade of MS61, maybe a 60.
  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    oddman out here at 64
    pretty darn clean for how soft gold is...image
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  • SoCalBigMarkSoCalBigMark Posts: 2,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Back then, 60.
  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,960 ✭✭✭✭✭
    nice luster with no major hits I can see

    my guess is it's in a 61 holder, but it looks like a resonable shot 62 (which probably wouldn't be worth regrading), and a remote chance at higher





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  • phnataccphnatacc Posts: 367 ✭✭
    60 on the slab.

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  • KoveKove Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭
    I would guess the slab says 60, and I'd expect it to go 61 these days.
  • robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS60 on the slab...
    MS62...
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  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    MS60 on slab and prob MS62-63 with gold bean
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  • tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    58
  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>MS60 on the slab...
    MS62... >>




    I agree with rob on this one.

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  • bosco5041bosco5041 Posts: 1,303 ✭
    62, no big hits
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,225 ✭✭✭✭✭
    58 then-possibly even 55

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,238 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS61 if graded correctly. Too baggy and scuffy to be any higher. If there's wear not visible in the pic it could be an AU58.

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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,899 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it's graded MS-62.
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  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    62

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  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    55
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  • PQueuePQueue Posts: 901 ✭✭✭
    Difficult to tell. Based on the reverse photo (upper wings and neck), AU58. Could be as high as MS62 if photos are misleading. No where near a 64.
  • ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll go with 62.
  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    Looking at this on my iPhone I thought ms62 right away but then I noticed several horizontal hairlines on the obverse so a grade of 60-61 is probably about right. No way this can be higher than 62 and no way it is AU. image
  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i think the tag says ms61 and if it does i agree with it. the luster is good, but the coin's surfaces are bag marked.
  • goldengolden Posts: 9,664 ✭✭✭✭✭
    62
  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    63
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  • bestclser1bestclser1 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    61,and 62
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  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS62. Did they even assign Au-58 back then?

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,238 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Did they even assign Au-58 back then? >>



    Yes.

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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,661 ✭✭✭✭✭
    wide range of guesses... as usual, the composite average is probably right

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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,661 ✭✭✭✭✭
    killed the thread with that pic image

    Here's the grade it was

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,238 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It isn't worth the cost to resubmit it for a grade review. It does deserve a 61 so perhaps you could get a gold cac sticker for it.

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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    well i blew this one...image
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  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It looks undergraded !!!
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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,661 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the coin is well struck and has scattered abrasions, none really deep or worth singular mention, and an overall decent look in hand, with good luster... I'd agree with MS62, and agree that it might get that on resubmission (or 61) or could have stayed in this holder and maybe got a novelty gold sticker, but the coin is destined to replace this one in my raw type set:

    image

    the 1885-S was submitted for PCGS secure plus as the 8th coin in a friend's collector club order (the only coin I've ever submitted to PCGS, it was a group of gold coins and I'd always intended to crack this one out and replace that one)

    the 1885-S got MS61 gold shield

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  • coinman23885coinman23885 Posts: 1,126
    I would have guessed MS61.
  • coinman23885coinman23885 Posts: 1,126


    << <i>It isn't worth the cost to resubmit it for a grade review. It does deserve a 61 so perhaps you could get a gold cac sticker for it. >>



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  • SoCalBigMarkSoCalBigMark Posts: 2,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It would appear to me MS60 doesn't exist anymore .
  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    One thing that does exist now is the grade of genuine- I think this is a potential outcome if resubmitted. I would leave it where it is.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,238 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>One thing that does exist now is the grade of genuine- I think this is a potential outcome if resubmitted. I would leave it where it is. >>



    I don't see any evidence of cleaning but I agree that it should be left in the old rattler holder. There's no real price difference between a 60 and a 61 and the old rattler does give it some small added value.

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  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>One thing that does exist now is the grade of genuine- I think this is a potential outcome if resubmitted. I would leave it where it is. >>



    I don't see any evidence of cleaning but I agree that it should be left in the old rattler holder. There's no real price difference between a 60 and a 61 and the old rattler does give it some small added value. >>




    I see enough horizontal obverse hairlines to think it has been cleaned.
  • TheBigBTheBigB Posts: 942 ✭
    The way US Gold premiums are these days, this piece has hit the end of the road.

  • DeepCoinDeepCoin Posts: 2,781 ✭✭✭
    In terms of raw value, I think it is actually worth more in a 60 holder in the old slab as opposed to perhaps a 61 grade in the current slab. This is a excellent example of how the coin value can change without the actual coin being changed. I do like the coin from the images, but then images are never the best way to evaluate a coin. Nice coin for what it is!
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  • RevDrBlimberRevDrBlimber Posts: 391
    The are always conscious of market value when they assign a given grade. Common dates when those were graded were worth the metal plus a little more than bullion when it was graded. Gold was probably $350 an ounce or less then. MS63s were trading at significant premiums, premiums that have varied based on demand. Better dates with big premiums are going to be graded more strictly than "bullion" priced material. But in my experience PCGS has always been strict on grading.

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