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Donnie
MyDaughtersNameIsMattingly
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Sweet!
I think I remember someone posting a thread a while back and one went for $400.
Very nice score!
I think I remember someone posting a thread a while back and one went for $400.
Very nice score!
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If I'm thinking of the same one you are.
ebay link
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UNORTERIZED? lol
<< <i>UNORTERIZED? lol >>
lol i know...he should have World of Baseball in the title too.
I wonder if it hurts to get "orterized?"
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<< <i>UNORTERIZED? lol >>
lol i know...he should have World of Baseball in the title too. >>
I noticed that he's sold 3 of them this week, and he just listed another one.
<< <i>Anything "unorterized" MUST be special!
I wonder if it hurts to get "orterized?"
I dunno, ask Al.
It's an official Topps card.
Yet another one surfaces
and you may have killed yourself by outing this info..... now everyone knows its not so rare after all IMO
and if trying to unload a few, should have listed them once every 3 months or so.... so the market wouldnt look saturated....
edited to say its too late as many more are popping up..... oh well
As far as "killing myself", I have no intention of selling any of them. Turned down 3 offers via PM already.
Does anyone know, with 100% absolute certainty, that it's a legit Topps card?
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<< <i>It appears in Mattingly's PSA master set composition.
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well thats that then
the registry is a powerful drug!
<< <i> well thats that then
the registry is a powerful drug! >>
Wouldn't being in the registry show that it's a legit card?
I don't think there are any broder type cards on the registry.
<< <i>It appears in Mattingly's PSA master set composition.
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PSA once had the Star Co. Joran card in their master set list, too. So...
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<< <i> well thats that then
the registry is a powerful drug! >>
Wouldn't being in the registry show that it's a legit card?
I don't think there are any broder type cards on the registry. >>
yes, I would think so! If Psa grades it, it opens it up to many more buyers
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<< <i>The card is talked about at the bottom of this thread from 2010
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And it's a CU thread, which is kind of my point.
Don't get me wrong, I hope it is a rare variation but so far, the back story just seems really vague.
Hopefully he will reply here.
<< <i>Something smells fishy that these cards are suddenly popping up. >>
Similar to the wrestling card boom from about two years ago.
Looking for 1970 MLB Photostamps
- uncut
Positive Transactions - tennesseebanker, Ahmanfan, Donruss, Colebear, CDsNuts, rbdjr1, Downtown1974, yankeeno7, drewsef, mnolan, mrbud60, msassin, RipublicaninMass, AkbarClone, rustywilly, lsutigers1973, julen23 and nam812, plus many others...
It look to me like somebody who had the mother lode is now releasing them into the market. And I agree, not doing it in the proper way to maximize returns.
ie #1 -#299 ??
almost sounds like the next 1932 Sanella Babe Ruth card...
20 years ago (before eBay/mainstream internet) the Sanella Ruth card (when seen) sold for $1,500-$2,000, ....now you can get it for under $100 often.
I just quickly compared the backs...... and its strange that the orange ink is so much darker on these, the card stock look smoother on these compared to the rougher stock of the regular issue. And the ball design is so much different with the regular issue going all the way to the edge. Also the print looks so much bolder on these compared to the regular issue, .......look in the stats at all the number "8", many barely have holes left. Also the "Special World of Baseball Edition" line is in a different font compared to the rest of the back is unusual too.
even though Topps was know for printing on different types of stock in that Era, youd think theyd use the same ink color, basic design, and process (boldness of the print)
in vintage PreWar, these differences often are the tell tail signs of a reproduced card (reprint).
<< <i>I see now there is a regular issue with #300 too, so thats where they go the number...
I just quickly compared the backs...... and its strange that the orange ink is so much darker on these, the card stock look smoother on these compared to the rougher stock of the regular issue. And the ball design is so much different with the regular issue going all the way to the edge. Also the print looks so much bolder on these compared to the regular issue, .......look in the stats at all the number "8", many barely have holes left. Also the "Special World of Baseball Edition" line is in a different font compared to the rest of the back is unusual too.
even though Topps was know for printing on different types of stock in that Era, youd think theyd use the same ink color, basic design, and process (boldness of the print)
in vintage PreWar, these differences often are the tell tail signs of a reproduced card (reprint). >>
The Mattingly was the only World of Baseball card made. I've heard it refered to as a "one card set". Amongst people who are familiar with the card, it's well known that the stock is different. It's also known that the back is Orange with white trim.
Also, the "Led South Atlantic Lea. with .358 Average in 1980" line is omitted, and the paragraph that starts "This way to the clubhouse" is moved up to make room for the World of Baseball line. "PRTD IN U.S.A." is also not on the WOB card. All of these things are known to be true about the card, and if a person who works for the Standard Catalog, and did research on this specific card for the publication comes on here and says it's 100% a real Topps card doesn't convince you, then nothing will.
EDIT: From the 2004 Beckett Almanac: "This one-card Special World of Baseball Edition set features a color portrait of Don Mattingly with white borders. The back displays player-information and career statistics."
Here the are together
Heres one that sold in december with the orange back
Heres one currently on ebay with the orange back
Heres a PSA 9 example with the orange back
sold/auctioned something related to it through the Topps vault.
<< <i>The ultimate proof regarding this card would be if Topps
sold/auctioned something related to it through the Topps vault. >>
I hear you Steve, and would love to find that info, but remember one of the stories I heard over the years was that MLB and/or the MLBPA prevented Topps from releasing this set on a wide scale. I mentioned it earlier in the thread. If that is the case, they may have also been prevented from selling anything to do with this card through the Topps Vault.
As far as I'm concerned, an editor from the Standard Catalog's opinion is the ultimate proof.
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1991 STADIUM CLUB NOLAN RYAN BRONZE GOLD NOLAN RYAN
I am 99.99999% sure that it was after market and it is in the master set registry. The person who listed it on ebay bought it from a person, who bought it from a person. I was unable to find the 3rd person. The person I bought it from grades a lot of cards and bought it from some one who grades nothing. I have been doing this for a long time and bet that I know more about ryan cards than anyone on the staff. Also the card only has 1 submission.
2. 1984 TOPPS NESTLE HAND CUT
These cards were definitely not hand cut. I have a few graded and 50 or so that were not. Not a single one of them look hand cut.
3. 15% of my grades are mis labeled. Most of these are very obscure cards but if they get a known card wrong, how often do they get an unknown card wrong.
4. Picture time
this card is not in the registry, but it is still graded. Notice the borden mark next to the cracker jack guy. I spent a lot on this card before I realized that it was a bad card. It does say topps, and in my personal opinion should be added to the registry if they are going to grade them (I have 4 others that were rejected). Also sorry that my scanner sucks.
Similar to the wrestling card boom from about two years ago.
Brian 26,
Tons of fishy stuff in the wrestling card market. LOL
The move higher two years ago was just the start for many cards.
<< <i>Dont be so confident that the registry is 100%. >>
It's not just the registry that makes me confident about this card.......It's the registry + The Beckett Almanac lists it + The Standard Catalog lists it + a former editor of the Standard came on this thread and said he did research on this specific card, and says it's a Topps produced card.
I mean, if we were in court, the jury would be in, and the verdict would read "100% REAL"
Not even OJ could get out of this one.
I don't have anyway to determine who is right here. The bottom line is if you know your market don't listen to others who don't.
In the end everyone has an opinion but your score is what counts to you and matters to your pocket.
I hope you hit the jackpot.
I must have missed the part where Bob said the card was listed in the SCD.
If a baseball card is missing the team logo then the issue was with MLB.
Players control their likeness.
Bouob
Hand cut is only a term, the sheets were professionally cut after market, thus the designation PSA uses is 'hand cut'
Some cards that PSA grades are not part of a registry, someone may have not requested it, or the majority
of users came together and asked PSA to not list them any more, Psa on it's own can and has added and subtracted
cards from sets.
Edited to add: I have a full set of 84 Nestle. None of mine appear traditionally hand cut, yet I have seen some hack jobs
in my day.
<< <i>If you have something rare, and in high grade, you win.
I don't have anyway to determine who is right here. The bottom line is if you know your market don't listen to others who don't.
In the end everyone has an opinion but your score is what counts to you and matters to your pocket.
I hope you hit the jackpot. >>
Well said David. That's a great way to put it.
The primary reason I'm even entertaing this arguement is that I don't want to hurt the seller who has one currently listed. I posted this thread before thier auction started. I don't want someone to potentially lose money just because a person or two who never even heard of the card before 4 days ago has something negative to say about it.
My hunch is you bought some fakes...keep us posted on what PSA does with them...
Erik
<< <i>I must have missed the part where Bob said the card was listed in the SCD. >>
What he said was
<< <i>At that time it was so scarce that no market value could be attributed. Thus it was never listed in the big book.
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Meaning that it only wasn't in the book due to it being so scarce. I stand corrected on his exact words, but the end result is the same. He reasearched the card and found it to be an authentic Topps card.
<< <i>The back of the card you bought looks from a different printing & paper stock (shinier & more modern -- like a Tiffany card) than the other back picture that you put in that same post that looks "grainier" and more like a standard issue 1988.
My hunch is you bought some fakes...keep us posted on what PSA does with them... >>
Shinier and more modern? Tiffany sets were first proudced in 84 if i'm not mistaken. This card is 88 so why couldn't the stock be similar to tiffany stock?
here's an old link for a PSA 9.....same exact back as the ones that I have, same exact back as the one that sold for $199 in December, same exact back as the one that's listed on ebay now, same exact back as every other one I've ever seen in person, or online. The reason the back is different is because it's a DIFFERENT card. The front isn't the same as the 88 stanard issue, so why does the back have to be the same as the standard issue in order for it to be authentic? Sorry, but that logic makes zero sense to me.
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if so then the card might be a reprint, as that would happen when the back was rescreened in the reproduction process, losing detail.
<< <i>Anyone with any knowledge of cards can easily see that those are obvious fakes. >>
lol, and why is that....because the backs are orange? we've been over this
<< <i>on that giant picture of the back taken with a camera (not scanned)... are the 3 fingers that point to the clubhouse almost solid black?? they look it in the pic, while the link to the other cards (on eBay) the backs shows far more detail on those hands, more like the regular issued card.
if so then the card might be a reprint, as that would happen when the back was rescreened in the reproduction process, losing detail. >>
You're cute! I think maybe the haters on here could be a little jelaous that I snagged 14 in one shot. Really it's 15 counting the one I picked up cheap just months before I scored the lot of 14. It has also crossed my mind that some of the haters on here could be potential bidders for the one listed on ebay. Trying to talk the card down, thus attempting to keep thier purchase price down. I feel bad for the seller if this thread effects the auction. I can't unring that bell, but what I can do is look at my 15 super rare cards and smile