Can't stand the black marks (ugly toning but hey I always hate toning) but I do love any coin dated 1792 from the U.S and with any 1792 beggars can't be choosers.
<< <i>I've always liked the real ones. This one, not as much. >>
John, on the real ones, do you have any opinion as to what type of plant those sprigs above and below ONE CENT are supposed to be? TD
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It's not even close to the real thing, but that's actually a good thing.
BTW the motto "Liberty the parent of science and industry" offers an incredible bit of wisdom. I wish that our current leaders would take it heart because freedom where all have the opportunity to use their ideas and their imaginations has provided many of the technological advances that we enjoy today. Sadly it seems that we are headed toward a controlled, “from the top down” type of economic system.
This motto did appear on the 1792 half disme.
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<< <i>Is this a modern Chinese fake or an earlier-era fake? >>
Rich, it isn't a modern Chinese counterfeit, rather it is a slightly earlier reproduction
I have been unable to locate a duplicate example of this reproduction; that is to also say that it does not appear to be the more common Gallery Mint reproductions.
With those flourishes above and below the denomination, it's going to be a repro of the G.W.P. version (those initials actually show a bit on the OP photo.) Here's the Gallery Mint Museum version of that one:
Oh, and Capt.Henway, I haven't the foggiest clue. Then again, the engraver probably didn't either!
By the way, this piece copies the G.W. Pt variety which is unique, known only in tin. It was last sold in Garrett. I made a case in a Numismatist column a few years ago, backed up by new evidence from Jefferson's papers, that the Birch cents were the first 1792 cents struck, at about the same time as the half dismes. If that is true, the GW Pt is the earlier of the two varieties and is thus the real first American cent.
Breen placed them last among the emissions of 1792.
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whats it say?
edit: its cool! .... way better strike than most 93's and up. (to a point.)
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okay, DATED 1792
from the U.S.? I'll get back to ya on that
(I have never understood why they felt the need to give Ms. Liberty a necklace -- the original was sans jewelry)
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<< <i>I've always liked the real ones. This one, not as much. >>
John, on the real ones, do you have any opinion as to what type of plant those sprigs above and below ONE CENT are supposed to be?
TD
BTW the motto "Liberty the parent of science and industry" offers an incredible bit of wisdom. I wish that our current leaders would take it heart because freedom where all have the opportunity to use their ideas and their imaginations has provided many of the technological advances that we enjoy today. Sadly it seems that we are headed toward a controlled, “from the top down” type of economic system.
This motto did appear on the 1792 half disme.
<< <i>Is this a modern Chinese fake or an earlier-era fake? >>
Rich, it isn't a modern Chinese counterfeit, rather it is a slightly earlier reproduction
I have been unable to locate a duplicate example of this reproduction; that is to also
say that it does not appear to be the more common Gallery Mint reproductions.
Here's where you can buy pieces from the same dies for $2.73 each: Counterfeits-R-Us
There is a guy in Alabama selling these and similar fake "Fusible Alloy" cents on eBay, often as wild errors.
Betts medals, colonial coins, US Mint medals, foreign coins found in early America, and other numismatic Americana
By the way, this piece copies the G.W. Pt variety which is unique, known only in tin. It was last sold in Garrett. I made a case in a Numismatist column a few years ago, backed up by new evidence from Jefferson's papers, that the Birch cents were the first 1792 cents struck, at about the same time as the half dismes. If that is true, the GW Pt is the earlier of the two varieties and is thus the real first American cent.
Breen placed them last among the emissions of 1792.
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<< <i>I hate to say it, but it really is a modern Chinese counterfeit.
Here's where you can buy pieces from the same dies for $2.73 each: Counterfeits-R-Us
There is a guy in Alabama selling these and similar fake "Fusible Alloy" cents on eBay, often as wild errors. >>
Bummer