double die or doubled die or double(d) die?

BUFFNIXX

From my experience more people refer to a doubled die coin as a DOUBLE die, leaving of the D. You can check this out by coining into fleabay at any time and searching on both terms. Double always wins over doubled. I actually think the D is dropped because of elision, which you may have learned about in grade school. Since the last letter of the first word is the same as the first letter of the second word, one of the D's gets dropped. What do you think?

ricko

To be honest, I have never thought of it.... Cheers, RickO

DAM

Doubled Die

keyman64

Doubled Die. End of Story.

Steve

The hobby has determined that the correct verbage for the action described is DOUBLED DIE. Steve

ModernDollarNut

The term "Doubled Die" is difficult to say out loud, hence the above referenced grade-school taught solution of dropping the last "d" of "Doubled".

I was taught that the origin of "Doubled" in "Doubled Die" is "Hub Doubled", as in "Hub-Doubled Die".

But it's not that simple. As John Wexler likes to catalog "Families" of similarly doubled die coins, a given "doubled die" may not have been actively "doubled" (ie, doubled from two separate mis-aligned hubbings) but simply carries a nearly identical version of its upline doubled upline working hub. So its image is "doubled" but not actively doubled during the hubbing of the die itself.

And it may not be that simple. As I wrote in my Ike book, there are process variables at play during hubbing that could create rotational doubliing from mis-alignment stresses triggered by annealing-distortion dimensional changes: each such "doubled die" could carry any markers present on its upline not-doubled working hub so those markers may not necessarily prove the existence of a common upline doubled working hub.

Ikes are teaching us that unintended consequences of hubbing may be far more complex than implied by either "double" or "doubled".

The Ike Group has chosen to deal with the mind-boggliing complexity by avoiding any cataloging by implied or assumed hubbing mechanisms. Rather, we will simply be identifying the
Doubled Die" Ikes we feel are "Collectible" and relegating discussions of their creation to foot-notes or to our "Volume 2" in its present and subsequent editions. Rob, who suddenly has a headache. . .

coinman23885

I think the original term is "doubled die" although the "double" terminology may catch on. Interestingly, several words in the modern lexicon were formed by the dropping of a final "d." For instance, "ice cream" was originally "iced cream" so the "double die" terminology may eventually catch on. I still personally prefer the former, and I see it as being the most grammatically correct, at least for the moment.

tightbudget

Doubled die

CaptHenway

<< <i>From my experience more people refer to a doubled die coin as a DOUBLE die, leaving of the D. You can check this out by coining into fleabay at any time and searching on both terms. Double always wins over doubled. I actually think the D is dropped because of elision, which you may have learned about in grade school. Since the last letter of the first word is the same as the first letter of the second word, one of the D's gets dropped. What do you think? >>



I think that your theory is correct. They drop the "d" at the end of "doubled" because the next word, "die," begins with a "d."

Please re-read the OP's question.

tahoe98

...i always thought it was double died.

howards

Anybody who relies on eBay listings for an accurate representation of numismatic terminology will wind up with all kinds of errors. I don't care how many eBay auctions say "double die," the correct term is "doubled die." But only if the coin is in fact a doubled die - I've seen plenty of eBay coins called double(d) die that weren't.

koynekwest

A "double die" would mean two dies. A "doubled die" is one die that is hub-doubled.

pmac

mint error

19Lyds

I think the "flea bay" folks use "double" die because they simply do not know any better.

Kinda like sellers like this who obviously have no clue what they are referring to.

relicsncoins

I prefer doubled mint gum as well.

WoodenJefferson

Since the design elements got doubled in the die transfer process, the correct terminology is "doubled die"