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I don’t get all of the hubbub. This is pretty simple. Before 4SC’s submission, nearly 26% of all of the ‘82TT Ripkens submitted to PSA were graded PSA 9 or PSA 10. 4SC’s submission contained about 87% 9s or 10s. So, assuming that the previous population was a true random sample (no one ever decided not to submit his card due to condition), we can clearly guess that 4SC picked the best 187 cards to send out of the 630 that they owned.
We can only credit good fortune with the fact that 4SC’s sample attained the PSA 10 to PSA 9 ratio 12 ½ times more often than the previous population.
Collector of 1976 Topps baseball for some stupid reason. Collector of Pittsburgh Pirates cards for a slightly less stupid reason. My Pirates Collection
Does anyone have an old copy of the population report from, say, 2004? It'd be interesting to compare 2005-2012 numbers on the 82 TT Ripken to the 90s-04 numbers.
<< <i>I don’t get all of the hubbub. This is pretty simple. Before 4SC’s submission, nearly 26% of all of the ‘82TT Ripkens submitted to PSA were graded PSA 9 or PSA 10. 4SC’s submission contained about 87% 9s or 10s. So, assuming that the previous population was a true random sample (no one ever decided not to submit his card due to condition), we can clearly guess that 4SC picked the best 187 cards to send out of the 630 that they owned.
We can only credit good fortune with the fact that 4SC’s sample attained the PSA 10 to PSA 9 ratio 12 ½ times more often than the previous population. >>
Arch, if only 4SC would do a bulk sub of 79 Stargells', we would finally see some on ebay and you and I might get one for our registry sets.
I hadn't considered the time machine theory Mark, and I won't dismiss it. After all, it's about as likely as someone sitting on a monster box full of mint 82 TT Ripkens all these years and just now unloading them.
Brilliant idea! Let's all send our raw '79 Stargells to 4SC. They can select the best of the lot and submit them. Superb.
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Hatter. Good conspiracy theories are never based on logic.
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>So whatever happened to all these Ripken 10's? I havn't seen the market flooded with them yet. >>
They have sold quite a few over the last few months. In fact the prices on the 10's are starting to come down just a bit. Instead of $1,400 - $1,600, now its $1,050 to $1,200. And without sub grades, it's hard to distinguish which ones could be the better 10's such as 10 centering or all 10's, etc.
PSA needs to make their scale go to "11" now, way too many 10s out there lol
back in the early 80's is was very common to see ads listed in Baseball Hobby News, SCD, etc. for lots of 10 , 100, 500, 1000, 5000 of the same card.... the more you buy the better the price (ie 25 cents ea. down to 12 cents ea. if you buy 1000). 1982 was only a couple years after the first price guides came out (ruining the mostly kids hobby forever) and many dealers went to sell "investment lots" of star players... making more $$ that selling sets. This could be a case of one of these hoards now being uncovered. In reality most all modern cards should be fairly sharp and should be 8-10s still, especially in the plastic page, card saver, toploader, penny sleeve, vendor box, non-rubberband Era. A "10" of any Topps card doesnt surprise me a bit.... and like others said, only the tip of the unopened/hoarded iceberg has seen the light of day...
supply and demand .......... tons of common cards of a player who aint going to make the highlights of Sports Center ever again, and whos greatest onfield accomplishment was a talentless (consecutive game) gimmick = falling value/demand in the future, especially among young collector who never saw Cal play
<< <i>So whatever happened to all these Ripken 10's? I havn't seen the market flooded with them yet. >>
4SC only lists one at a time. Once a card is sold, the next day they will have another listed. I bought several 9's and 10's from there website a few weeks ago and the next day they had new listings for almost all of them.
1982 was only a couple years after the first price guides came out (ruining the mostly kids hobby forever) and many dealers went to sell "investment lots" of star players... making more $$ that selling sets. This could be a case of one of these hoards now being uncovered. In reality most all modern cards should be fairly sharp and should be 8-10s still, especially in the plastic page, card saver, toploader, penny sleeve, vendor box, non-rubberband Era. A "10" of any Topps card doesnt surprise me a bit.... and like others said, only the tip of the unopened/hoarded iceberg has seen the light of day...
supply and demand .......... tons of common cards of a player who aint going to make the highlights of Sports Center ever again, and whos greatest onfield accomplishment was a talentless (consecutive game) gimmick = falling value/demand in the future, especially among young collector who never saw Cal play
You know almost zero about cards produce post-1935 and even less about baseball.
I've bought some 10's from 4 sharp corners. Mainly lower valued Molitor and Gwynns for my collections and it has been a good experience.
I have no idea the goings on behind the scenes at PSA, and speculation will only frustrate me.
That being said, the 82Topps Traded Ripken consistently commanding $1500 + seems to me to be one of the mover overpriced cards out there by a longshot. Yes, there are probably more Ripken collectors than any other but that is such a common card to find in 10, that price just seems so out of whack
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Anyone who subs cards and is not reviewing them under well lit magnification is bringing a knife to a gun fight. To suggest that somehow one dealer has a monopoly on grading insight is quite inaccurate.
Anyone know the process at these grading companies? If a given card is thought to be a 10 by one of their graders, does a 2nd grader or "Senior Grader" come in to verify, knowing of course they could potentially be making someone very rich?
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I'm really surprised that PSA hasn't poofed this thread already in light of the direction it's now taken..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>That last post is funny......I got out of graded cards when I realized the graders don't even grade under a magnifier. >>
I believe this to be incorrect. There is a video about the grading process made by PSA and posted on this website. In that video it clearly shows them using a loupe to inspect the corners of a card.
A 10x loupe is a very valueable tool in assessing ones own cards.
Not a good thing for Ripken collectors who want the very high end cards to hold value. Not only do the pops explode but so the questions surrounding the explosion.
Hey alt, I'm the opposite, because I want the pops to go up and the values to go down so I can eventually afford to buy one of these in PSA 10. I'm never selling my Ripken collection, so what do I care if there are 1000 PSA 10s? Remember when we used to collect cards for the purpose of the card and not the price tag? Hatters gonna hat...
I remember I searched some cert numbers and he had a few 1976 Topps Brooks Robinson PSA 10's in consecutive certs and I only saw 2 hit Ebay over the course of a year.
Alt what? I read the thread, you pick what you want to collect. I was making an observation, good for you if you don't care about value. Collect what you like, my friend. And stay thirsty.
Regarding the Ripken rookies, it seems to me that his 1982 Fleer rookie is his rarest and also the most difficult to find in PSA 10.
The Fleer has 107/6,630 The Topps has 236/21,747 The Topps Traded has 158/8,227
I see a lot more unopened 1982 Topps out there than 1982 Fleer.
Granted, the 1982 Fleer set is one of the worst of all time in terms of photo qualities and design, but it seems to me of all the Ripken rookies to invest in, the Fleer may have the most upside...?
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We can only credit good fortune with the fact that 4SC’s sample attained the PSA 10 to PSA 9 ratio 12 ½ times more often than the previous population.
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<< <i>I don’t get all of the hubbub. This is pretty simple. Before 4SC’s submission, nearly 26% of all of the ‘82TT Ripkens submitted to PSA were graded PSA 9 or PSA 10. 4SC’s submission contained about 87% 9s or 10s. So, assuming that the previous population was a true random sample (no one ever decided not to submit his card due to condition), we can clearly guess that 4SC picked the best 187 cards to send out of the 630 that they owned.
We can only credit good fortune with the fact that 4SC’s sample attained the PSA 10 to PSA 9 ratio 12 ½ times more often than the previous population. >>
Arch, if only 4SC would do a bulk sub of 79 Stargells', we would finally see some on ebay and you and I might get one for our registry sets.
Brilliant idea! Let's all send our raw '79 Stargells to 4SC. They can select the best of the lot and submit them. Superb.
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<< <i>Disco was dead by 1982 >>
Hatter. Good conspiracy theories are never based on logic.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>So whatever happened to all these Ripken 10's? I havn't seen the market flooded with them yet. >>
They have sold quite a few over the last few months. In fact the prices on the 10's are starting to come down just a bit. Instead of $1,400 - $1,600, now its $1,050 to $1,200. And without sub grades, it's hard to distinguish which ones could be the better 10's such as 10 centering or all 10's, etc.
<< <i>So whatever happened to all these Ripken 10's? I havn't seen the market flooded with them yet. >>
you don't maximize profits by flooding the market with all 60 at once.
Based on what I can see for the past 2 months of sales on Ebay, 6 cards with 4sc's certs were sold by 4sc. Another 4 were sold by 3 different sellers.
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Comical stuff here! Posters saying they look at stuff with a loupe & no one here probably does. Glue sniffing is fun ain't it!!!!!!
Jeff C Bay - you got real defensive there! Don't want to think that some of your stuff might not be good? I wouldn't either bro!
Another reason to stay with unopened
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And ya know what? HoneyBadger don't care!
back in the early 80's is was very common to see ads listed in Baseball Hobby News, SCD, etc. for lots of 10 , 100, 500, 1000, 5000 of the same card.... the more you buy the better the price (ie 25 cents ea. down to 12 cents ea. if you buy 1000). 1982 was only a couple years after the first price guides came out (ruining the mostly kids hobby forever) and many dealers went to sell "investment lots" of star players... making more $$ that selling sets. This could be a case of one of these hoards now being uncovered.
In reality most all modern cards should be fairly sharp and should be 8-10s still, especially in the plastic page, card saver, toploader, penny sleeve, vendor box, non-rubberband Era. A "10" of any Topps card doesnt surprise me a bit.... and like others said, only the tip of the unopened/hoarded iceberg has seen the light of day...
supply and demand .......... tons of common cards of a player who aint going to make the highlights of Sports Center ever again, and whos greatest onfield accomplishment was a talentless (consecutive game) gimmick = falling value/demand in the future, especially among young collector who never saw Cal play
<< <i>So whatever happened to all these Ripken 10's? I havn't seen the market flooded with them yet. >>
4SC only lists one at a time. Once a card is sold, the next day they will have another listed. I bought several 9's and 10's from there website a few weeks ago and the next day they had new listings for almost all of them.
In reality most all modern cards should be fairly sharp and should be 8-10s still, especially in the plastic page, card saver, toploader, penny sleeve, vendor box, non-rubberband Era. A "10" of any Topps card doesnt surprise me a bit.... and like others said, only the tip of the unopened/hoarded iceberg has seen the light of day...
supply and demand .......... tons of common cards of a player who aint going to make the highlights of Sports Center ever again, and whos greatest onfield accomplishment was a talentless (consecutive game) gimmick = falling value/demand in the future, especially among young collector who never saw Cal play
You know almost zero about cards produce post-1935 and even less about baseball.
<< <i>paying crazy prices for anything 1978 and beyond seems silly if you are worried about retaining value. >>
I wish they would start mass-subbing 1980 Topps Henderson rookies, then.
<< <i>I agree with Lee. Someone on here is a douche. >>
Just one?
I have no idea the goings on behind the scenes at PSA, and speculation will only frustrate me.
That being said, the 82Topps Traded Ripken consistently commanding $1500 + seems to me to be one of the mover overpriced cards out there by a longshot. Yes, there are probably more Ripken collectors than any other but that is such a common card to find in 10, that price just seems so out of whack
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Edited to tone it down a bit
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Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>That last post is funny......I got out of graded cards when I realized the graders don't even grade under a magnifier. >>
I believe this to be incorrect. There is a video about the grading process made by PSA and posted on this website. In that video it clearly shows them using a loupe to inspect the corners of a card.
A 10x loupe is a very valueable tool in assessing ones own cards.
Here is the video. It definitely shows them using a loop for the corners.
Not a good thing for Ripken collectors who want the very high end cards to hold value. Not only do the pops explode but so the questions surrounding the explosion.
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The Fleer has 107/6,630
The Topps has 236/21,747
The Topps Traded has 158/8,227
I see a lot more unopened 1982 Topps out there than 1982 Fleer.
Granted, the 1982 Fleer set is one of the worst of all time in terms of photo qualities and design, but it seems to me of all the Ripken rookies to invest in, the Fleer may have the most upside...?
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