Was talking to major wholeseller of unopened cases/boxes in my area. He said he does not deal in singles. I told him what I collected and that I liked having my cards graded by PSA and Beckett. His response was immediate "Why do you use PSA"? I said what do you mean. His response, "Everytime I glance at EBAY there seems to be thousands of 10's, they seemed to have watered down the market".
Along those lines, whenever I go to smaller local card shows, about 90% of the dealers HATE the idea of professionally graded cards. I assume it's only because the dealers make a living off of over-grading their own cards.
<< <i>Sorry to be the resident "dummy", but what is 4SC? >>
Its short for the company named 'four sharp corners'. They are a big seller on ebay. They seem to be very controversial. Some think a lot of the cards they sell are overgraded. Some think they trim cards. >>
I am glad I got one. If I flip it, and it sells for $1750 or so, Rick takes 5% and I get the rest. That would be a quick $250 or so.... Anyway I am not selling mine. I wanted it for my PC. It's part of that top 250 card list I believe.
I purchased the last Ripken TT from 4SC, thought it was a decent price based on VCP. Saw them post up another a day or two after my purchase (now I know why). Received the card today and it looks like a pretty solid 10. In any case, i am happy with the purchase.
<< <i>Along those lines, whenever I go to smaller local card shows, about 90% of the dealers HATE the idea of professionally graded cards. I assume it's only because the dealers make a living off of over-grading their own cards. >>
Very true, Jeff. I'm sure it is hard for them to sell their NM Marino and Elway RC's for $100 when you can buy a professionally graded Mint 9 for that.
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
You guys are looking the other way and/or uninformed if you don't think the majority of these cards are trimmed. I would wager that a majority of them are.
The thing is, the "naysayers" are not only questioning the integrity of 4SC (which I care less about), they are also questioning the integrity of PSA. By saying PSA is slabbing junk cards, you are essentially devaluing YOUR OWN graded cards. It's pretty ignorant, in my opinion.
If it devalues my cards or not it is still what is going on. Would you rather ignore it? Or deal with it? Do you ignore a burning house? Or a sinking ship? Or just put your head in the sand because it is yours? That makes perfect sense. PSA and BGS have been grading (lots) of trimmed cards for years. I don't know if they know it or not, but it is still happening. Do some google research or try it yourself and see how easy it is.
The thing is, the "naysayers" are not only questioning the integrity of 4SC (which I care less about), they are also questioning the integrity of PSA. By saying PSA is slabbing junk cards, you are essentially devaluing YOUR OWN graded cards. It's pretty ignorant, in my opinion.
Since this thread will be poofed anyways due to smittypop's post...
It is not ignorant it is called being a realist. Ask the 75 mini collectors how they feel about the plethora of "short" (ie trimmed) PSA 9 & 10 minis 4SC and several other large dealers dumped onto the market before the serious mini collectors revolted. The challenge with 4SC is that they do have a lot of 100% legitimate material so you just never know when you buy something from them. However if you think anyone could sub 60 legit PSA 10 1982 TT Ripken rookies there is really no help for you.
The reality is that it is very, very difficult to spot a well trimmed card. Some folks on this board seem to think it is simple but the technology used in the 50s, 60s, 70s & 80s makes for a known variance in card sizes and edges that folks like 4SC take advantage of.
I am sure this thread will be gone in a couple of hours, but it really is simple technology. You can buy a standard paper trimmer (google rotatrim or a similar company-some use the pull down levers and some use the standard ones) and really just chop off the edges. Some people use sandpaper to get that "old-timey" look or feel, but I have seen many cards get through without the sandpaper. The reality is that Topps/OPC/etc/ didn't have some high-tech paper cutters in the old days and the grading companies either don't care or don't have time to learn how to tell the difference. Cards vary in sizes from the factory and many of them are slightly oversized and much easier to trim. You just take off the extra and get them down to standard size. Some cards are undersized from the factory and they are not as good of canidates to be trimmed. It really isn't rocket science and it has been going on for a long, long time.
I've pulled plenty of short cards from packs, does that mean 4SC came in and trimmed them first? Where is the proof that they trimmed all of these Ripken cards? or the 1975 Minis? You say "you just never know when you buy something from them"... how's that? Do they not supply a scan for each card they sell? Remember the mantra, "buy the card, not the slab"? If you think it's short, then why buy it? If there is a "known variance in card sizes and edges ", then what's the problem when you see a slightly smaller card in a slab?
I do want to add that I am not saying all large volume submitters are subbing wacked cards. I don't even think 4sc submits all trimmed cards. I just think most people don't really know what is going on and the reality is that you can't really tell the difference between a raw/graded trimmed or untrimmed card in many cases.
If you have two identical cards side by side... one is trimmed, and one is "natural", but both measure the exact same and nobody can tell the difference... then who gives a $hit? If even YOU the magic know-it-all alt can't tell them apart, who really cares?
If you know something that we don't, then tell us what you know instead of just blasting everyone's collections and business practices.
<< <i>I guess no one. Pops go up and prices go down and no one here cares. Good luck with your collection. >>
Did you not think pops would go up? A lot of people think the cards they have are "rare". In reality, there is tons of this raw crap out there in PC's and unopened. There are a lot of people like me who got out of the hobby for 20 years and when we left, there was no such thing as PSA. My guess is that there are thousands of collectors out there that will continue to flood the graded market with new subs..raising pops and lowering prices. What is there to "care" about? Sour grapes from people that paid a premium for modern low pop cards? Devalued your collection? Your collection was artificially inflated to begin with. I guess I don't undertsand.
Obviously, the issue comes down to if the grades given are legitimate. If this company bought themselves five or six cases of 1982 Topps Traded for almost $100,000, broke them down, and received the same grades any other submitter would have received, then the increase in Population Report is basically tough crap for those of us who have been collecting for thirty years. But that is always a possibility with mass produced cardboard and we should all know that.
But if, as some claim, the cards are being graded differently due to the high volume of submissions, that is a serious problem.
I am buying and trading for RC's of Wilt Chamberlain, George Mikan, Bill Russell, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, and Bob Cousy! Don't waste your time and fees listing on ebay before getting in touch me by PM or at gregmo32@aol.com !
<< <i>So, they could have gone through 2000-3000 Ripkens to pick out the cherries of the group.
Really? That's what you think happened here? >>
That's exactly what happened. Some old-timer in Massachusettes who 'didn't believe in grading' was sitting on a stack of 5,000 factory-fresh TT Ripken XRCs. I see these kinds of deals going down every day.
Why are you so skeptical, anyway? It's guys like you that really drag down the energy and enthusiasm that most of us bring to these boards. Just go away- and take all your crazy and baseless conspiracy theories with you.
<< <i>So, they could have gone through 2000-3000 Ripkens to pick out the cherries of the group.
Really? That's what you think happened here? >>
That's exactly what happened. Some old-timer in Massachusettes who 'didn't believe in grading' was sitting on a stack of 5,000 factory-fresh TT Ripken XRCs. I see these kinds of deals going down every day. >>
These deals only happen every day to 4SC.
If you truly believe that a small time submitter would have these seem results, then no one here is going to convince you otherwise.
<< <i>So, they could have gone through 2000-3000 Ripkens to pick out the cherries of the group.
Really? That's what you think happened here? >>
That's exactly what happened. Some old-timer in Massachusettes who 'didn't believe in grading' was sitting on a stack of 5,000 factory-fresh TT Ripken XRCs. I see these kinds of deals going down every day. >>
These deals only happen every day to 4SC.
If you truly believe that a small time submitter would have these seem results, then no one here is going to convince you otherwise. >>
That's kind of the point. A small time submitter wouldn't sub 2000-3000 Ripken Rookies. Funny thing is, if that did happen...they'd be complaining that only 2% of those 3000 cards were graded a 10.
If you truly believe that a small time submitter would have these seem results, then no one here is going to convince you otherwise.
You might want to look into learning how to detect sarcasm. >>
And YOU might want to look into making the occasional positive contribution to these boards, as opposed to always crapping all over people who don't share your neurotic and conspiratorial world-view.
Whatever with this discussion. What I know is fact. A very, very reputable vintage dealer told me 4SC will drop 50 to 100k any given month on vintage/ semi modern cards.
They do usually have 40,000 plus PSA cards in inventory, and probably sell at least 1,000 per week. I think we need to also face they have a Monster bankroll. Scooping up 100, 200, 300k worth of product is very easy for them.
I agree with previous posters - the population of ungraded Ripkens (or almost any other modern card) likely greatly exceeds the number of graded cards, so dilution is inevitable. The dilution is likely to be larger and sooner for cards in higher demand.
I am perfectly happy with my PSA 9 that I got for $150 a couple years ago, it looks to me no different than a 10 - and my decision not to spend $1500 for a 10 is looking better every day now.
<< <i>They don't have to brag about a 500k modern deal, and stand on the cases so the top boxes in those cases get crushed... >>
I hope you aren't poking fun at those guys, we were told not to.
From what I can tell, 707 is the DOLLAR STORE compared to deans_cards. For what that guy charges, if I ever bought anything from him I would expect it to be delivered to me in a frickin' limo. ~WalterSobchak
Much better. I'm sure they are discounting all crushed boxes by at least 10%
From what I can tell, 707 is the DOLLAR STORE compared to deans_cards. For what that guy charges, if I ever bought anything from him I would expect it to be delivered to me in a frickin' limo. ~WalterSobchak
It's pretty good timing for this pop increase discovery to happen one week after the one on Mile High sold for $2,938.11 $2,938.11 (before the juice).
Meaning what exactly?
As I said I noticed 4SC had sold several PSA 10 82 TT Ripken rookies in January and decided to investigate. I own no PSA 10 cards (I collect PSA 9 HOFers) and do all my selling via a consignment. However if I was in the market for a PSA 10 82 TT Ripken I would certainly like to know that one of the largest sellers of PSA cards was sitting on over 50 of them.
Robb, I didn't mean to make that sound like you had something up your sleeve or anything, I mean that as I'm laughing at the buyer of the one on Mile High for spending that much on it.
Looks like someone else doesn't agree with 4SC getting a high percentage of 10's either unhappy camper
From what I can tell, 707 is the DOLLAR STORE compared to deans_cards. For what that guy charges, if I ever bought anything from him I would expect it to be delivered to me in a frickin' limo. ~WalterSobchak
I accept that a percentage of all cards graded will be under/over graded. I also understand that 4SC grades 1000's per month. The math works out so that some percentage will be overgraded. Will it be a majority percentage? I doubt it.
However, if I bought one of these overgraded cards the last person I would blame is the seller.
I would go to the grader and ask for a review. If they agreed with me, and they might not, I would ask the grader for some sort of concession based on card being overgraded. AND I would not be too upset as grading is merely one person's opinion. Maybe grader #12345 just had a bad day?
As I understand PSA has such a policy.
Trying to guess why 4SC has a run of impressive Ripkens is a fool's errand. Not that this isn't exactly the purpose of such a forum....
Mike
ps. I have about 200 4SC PSA 10's and I know that some are off, but no more than when I see my subs. I can honestly say that in the last month I have received maybe 200+ cards back and 3-5 I really have to wonder. I'd rather they miss on the high side but a few are in 9 or 10 holders when I guessed 8's at best.
<< <i>ps. I have about 200 4SC PSA 10's and I know that some are off, but no more than when I see my subs. I can honestly say that in the last month I have received maybe 200+ cards back and 3-5 I really have to wonder. >>
So I just want to summarize the theories here and make sure I have it straight. Just to preface, I'd estimate that case fresh '82 Topps traded sets would yield about 1 gradable Ripken (potential PSA 9 or better) for every 3 sets opened.
Either: a) 4SC was able to purchase 4-5 untouched 100 ct cases of 82 Topps Traded sets which would run about $60k-80k give or take and subbed the gradables. b) 4SC was able to purchase 2 cases worth of 82 Topps Traded sets ($30k-35k), performed a micro slice where appropriate (yet keeping the cards within PSA's size standards) and was able to get 150 nicely gradable Ripkens out of it. And if this were the case then Ripken collectors really don't care that their hero's most iconic cards are getting cut up just to get them into slabs and dumped onto the market. c) 4SC was able to buy a 3000 count lot of 82 Topps Traded Ripken's which some random guy happened to have stashed away and didn't decide to sell at their peak when he broke Gehrig's record.
d) 4SC owns a time machine, wisely choosing not to mess up the time stream by going back and getting 1952 Topps packs, chose 1982 so they could get Ripken Traded RCs and also practice their disco moves.
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>d) 4SC owns a time machine, wisely choosing not to mess up the time stream by going back and getting 1952 Topps packs, chose 1982 so they could get Ripken Traded RCs and also practice their disco moves. >>
'Sir, I realize it's been difficult for you to sleep at night without your EX/MT 1977 Topps Tom Seaver, but I swear to you that you'll get it safe and sound.' -CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
Comments
<< <i>you have to give roger credit, he's got a great eye >>
Hi Rick - if I ever were to run for office? I want you to be my Spin Doctor!
<< <i>
<< <i>Sorry to be the resident "dummy", but what is 4SC? >>
Its short for the company named 'four sharp corners'. They are a big seller on ebay.
They seem to be very controversial. Some think a lot of the cards they sell are overgraded. Some think they trim cards. >>
Thanks Darin.
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
<< <i>Along those lines, whenever I go to smaller local card shows, about 90% of the dealers HATE the idea of professionally graded cards. I assume it's only because the dealers make a living off of over-grading their own cards. >>
Very true, Jeff. I'm sure it is hard for them to sell their NM Marino and Elway RC's for $100 when you can buy a professionally graded Mint 9 for that.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
Since this thread will be poofed anyways due to smittypop's post...
It is not ignorant it is called being a realist. Ask the 75 mini collectors how they feel about the plethora of "short" (ie trimmed) PSA 9 & 10 minis 4SC and several other large dealers dumped onto the market before the serious mini collectors revolted. The challenge with 4SC is that they do have a lot of 100% legitimate material so you just never know when you buy something from them. However if you think anyone could sub 60 legit PSA 10 1982 TT Ripken rookies there is really no help for you.
The reality is that it is very, very difficult to spot a well trimmed card. Some folks on this board seem to think it is simple but the technology used in the 50s, 60s, 70s & 80s makes for a known variance in card sizes and edges that folks like 4SC take advantage of.
Cheers,
Robb
If you know something that we don't, then tell us what you know instead of just blasting everyone's collections and business practices.
...and I will continue to buy my trimmed 1998 Donruss Ripken cards from 4SC.
<< <i>I guess no one. Pops go up and prices go down and no one here cares. Good luck with your collection. >>
Did you not think pops would go up? A lot of people think the cards they have are "rare". In reality, there is tons of this raw crap out there in PC's and unopened. There are a lot of people like me who got out of the hobby for 20 years and when we left, there was no such thing as PSA. My guess is that there are thousands of collectors out there that will continue to flood the graded market with new subs..raising pops and lowering prices. What is there to "care" about? Sour grapes from people that paid a premium for modern low pop cards? Devalued your collection? Your collection was artificially inflated to begin with. I guess I don't undertsand.
But if, as some claim, the cards are being graded differently due to the high volume of submissions, that is a serious problem.
Don't waste your time and fees listing on ebay before getting in touch me by PM or at gregmo32@aol.com !
<< <i>So, they could have gone through 2000-3000 Ripkens to pick out the cherries of the group.
Really? That's what you think happened here? >>
That's exactly what happened. Some old-timer in Massachusettes who 'didn't believe in grading' was sitting on a stack of 5,000 factory-fresh TT Ripken XRCs. I see these kinds of deals going down every day.
Why are you so skeptical, anyway? It's guys like you that really drag down the energy and enthusiasm that most of us bring to these boards. Just go away- and take all your crazy and baseless conspiracy theories with you.
<< <i>
<< <i>So, they could have gone through 2000-3000 Ripkens to pick out the cherries of the group.
Really? That's what you think happened here? >>
That's exactly what happened. Some old-timer in Massachusettes who 'didn't believe in grading' was sitting on a stack of 5,000 factory-fresh TT Ripken XRCs. I see these kinds of deals going down every day. >>
These deals only happen every day to 4SC.
If you truly believe that a small time submitter would have these seem results, then no one here is going to convince you otherwise.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>So, they could have gone through 2000-3000 Ripkens to pick out the cherries of the group.
Really? That's what you think happened here? >>
That's exactly what happened. Some old-timer in Massachusettes who 'didn't believe in grading' was sitting on a stack of 5,000 factory-fresh TT Ripken XRCs. I see these kinds of deals going down every day. >>
These deals only happen every day to 4SC.
If you truly believe that a small time submitter would have these seem results, then no one here is going to convince you otherwise. >>
That's kind of the point. A small time submitter wouldn't sub 2000-3000 Ripken Rookies. Funny thing is, if that did happen...they'd be complaining that only 2% of those 3000 cards were graded a 10.
If you truly believe that a small time submitter would have these seem results, then no one here is going to convince you otherwise.
You might want to look into learning how to detect sarcasm.
<< <i>These deals only happen every day to 4SC.
If you truly believe that a small time submitter would have these seem results, then no one here is going to convince you otherwise.
You might want to look into learning how to detect sarcasm. >>
And YOU might want to look into making the occasional positive contribution to these boards, as opposed to always crapping all over people who don't share your neurotic and conspiratorial world-view.
They do usually have 40,000 plus PSA cards in inventory, and probably sell at least 1,000 per week. I think we need to also face they have a Monster bankroll. Scooping up 100, 200, 300k worth of product is very easy for them.
Edited: for standing in/on cases
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
I agree with previous posters - the population of ungraded Ripkens (or almost any other modern card) likely greatly exceeds the number of graded cards, so dilution is inevitable. The dilution is likely to be larger and sooner for cards in higher demand.
I am perfectly happy with my PSA 9 that I got for $150 a couple years ago, it looks to me no different than a 10 - and my decision not to spend $1500 for a 10 is looking better every day now.
<< <i>They don't have to brag about a 500k modern deal, and stand on the cases so the top boxes in those cases get crushed... >>
I hope you aren't poking fun at those guys, we were told not to.
~WalterSobchak
PSA 10 = 61
PSA 9 = 102
PSA 8.5 = 6
PSA 8 = 15
PSA 5 = 2
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<< <i>Edited: for standing in cases >>
Much better. I'm sure they are discounting all crushed boxes by at least 10%
~WalterSobchak
Meaning what exactly?
As I said I noticed 4SC had sold several PSA 10 82 TT Ripken rookies in January and decided to investigate. I own no PSA 10 cards (I collect PSA 9 HOFers) and do all my selling via a consignment. However if I was in the market for a PSA 10 82 TT Ripken I would certainly like to know that one of the largest sellers of PSA cards was sitting on over 50 of them.
Cheers,
Robb
<< <i>Who cares? Ripken was overrated anyway. >>
Ooooooooo!
Now dem ders fightin words!!!
(at least to some)
unhappy camper
~WalterSobchak
However, if I bought one of these overgraded cards the last person I would blame is the seller.
I would go to the grader and ask for a review. If they agreed with me, and they might not, I would ask the grader for some sort of concession based on card being overgraded. AND I would not be too upset as grading is merely one person's opinion. Maybe grader #12345 just had a bad day?
As I understand PSA has such a policy.
Trying to guess why 4SC has a run of impressive Ripkens is a fool's errand. Not that this isn't exactly the purpose of such a forum....
Mike
ps. I have about 200 4SC PSA 10's and I know that some are off, but no more than when I see my subs. I can honestly say that in the last month I have received maybe 200+ cards back and 3-5 I really have to wonder. I'd rather they miss on the high side but a few are in 9 or 10 holders when I guessed 8's at best.
Kirby Puckett Master Set
<< <i>ps. I have about 200 4SC PSA 10's and I know that some are off, but no more than when I see my subs. I can honestly say that in the last month I have received maybe 200+ cards back and 3-5 I really have to wonder. >>
What % of those 200 PSA 10s belong to you?
I have 200 PSA 10's from 4SC in my Puckett Master, so if this is your question then 100%.
I have recieved aboout 200 cards in the last month from Oct. and Nov. CC Specials, so again 100%. I don't sell these typically I just hoard em.
Was one of these your question?
Kirby Puckett Master Set
<< <i>Who cares? Ripken was overrated anyway. >>
lol, well that's an "alternative" way of thinking.
Either:
a) 4SC was able to purchase 4-5 untouched 100 ct cases of 82 Topps Traded sets which would run about $60k-80k give or take and subbed the gradables.
b) 4SC was able to purchase 2 cases worth of 82 Topps Traded sets ($30k-35k), performed a micro slice where appropriate (yet keeping the cards within PSA's size standards) and was able to get 150 nicely gradable Ripkens out of it. And if this were the case then Ripken collectors really don't care that their hero's most iconic cards are getting cut up just to get them into slabs and dumped onto the market.
c) 4SC was able to buy a 3000 count lot of 82 Topps Traded Ripken's which some random guy happened to have stashed away and didn't decide to sell at their peak when he broke Gehrig's record.
Does that about cover all the theories?
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>d) 4SC owns a time machine, wisely choosing not to mess up the time stream by going back and getting 1952 Topps packs, chose 1982 so they could get Ripken Traded RCs and also practice their disco moves. >>
+1
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA