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goldengolden Posts: 9,995 ✭✭✭✭✭
I was looking through the Red Book and noticed one of the over mint marked Lincolns. I found 11 over mint marks listed in the Red Book. They are :
1944 D/S Lincoln Cent
1946 S/D Lincoln Cent
1938 D/S Buffalo Nickel
1949 D/S Jefferson Nickel
1954 S/D Jefferson Nickel
1955 D/S Jefferson Nickel
1950 D/S Washington Quarter
1950 S/D Washington Quarter
1875 S/CC Trade Dollar
1882 O/S Morgan Dollar
1900 O/CC Morgan Dollar

Pcgs does not recognize the 1946 D/S Lincoln Cent. Has anyone here tried to collect these 10 interesting coins? I would try but have too many irons in the fire now.

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  • rmpsrpmsrmpsrpms Posts: 1,953 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My avatar is the 1956-D & S Lincoln Cent. It's a controversial coin, but when viewed in-hand I can't see how anyone could doubt it since a full and complete S is visible to the naked eye on a clean example. Admittedly, it is hard to photograph since 3D is still not a viable consumer technology and in-hand you have benefit of the perspective from both eyes...Ray
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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I do the dimes.image
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Had all of them in my variety set until I sold the 1875-S/CC Trade dollar. Still have the rest of them.

    Surprisingly, there are more overmintmarks than large over small mintmarks. Can only think of 2 - 1891-S/s dime and 1856-S/s quarter.

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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You missed one: 1901 O/S $5
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  • goldengolden Posts: 9,995 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>You missed one: 1901 O/S $5 >>



    That is a 1/0 in the date, not an O/S.
  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oops, brain fart. I stand corrected.
    Member: EAC, NBS, C4, CWTS, ANA

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  • garrynotgarrynot Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭

    Here are two of John Wexler's pictures of the 1956-D 1S9 OMM. The second photo shows the polish lines on the reverse.

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  • garrynotgarrynot Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭

    This is John's photo of the debunked 1980 D/S.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have the O/CC Morgan... wanted that for my CC series. Cheers, RickO


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    Wow one of my fav coin in your set. Truly the king of Over mintmark American coins. Thanks for sharing
  • PriestPriest Posts: 270 ✭✭
    Debunked 1980 D/S, can someone explaine debunked, I have a 1981 D/S cent and it is just about the same.
    D.A. Priest
  • rmpsrpmsrmpsrpms Posts: 1,953 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Look at the photo of the 56-D/S and you'll see that the "S" is the right size for a mintmark. But for the 1980, the "S" is really tiny and there were no "micro S" punches in use in 1980. So it could not be a real mintmark there. Now, how a die scratch in the exact shape of an "S" got there who knows?
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,732 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I do not see an S on that 1956 die.
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • PriestPriest Posts: 270 ✭✭
    rmpsrpms, thank you, but here is some food for thought , if the MM is in the incorrect area why couldn't a punch from a different time and or a different coin have been used? I know we can go on and on about this, and let's face it as a error collector the whys and hows can blow minds. Again thank you for responding.
    D.A. Priest
  • rmpsrpmsrmpsrpms Posts: 1,953 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, it could have been an intentional use of some sort of micro S mintmark punch. I am not sure if anyone has done overlays of every known punch used over the years and for all purposes, so it could very well be a real S. That would make it a fantasy piece made by mint employees. The 56-D/S is probably the same. As a joke a mint employee very lightly punched the S into the die, then maybe ground on it a bit to further obscure it so it would not be caught by the mint techs. Fun stuff!
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  • rmpsrpmsrmpsrpms Posts: 1,953 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I do not see an S on that 1956 die. >>



    Yeah, it's hard to capture with a single photo. But even in John's photo you can see some remnants of the ENTIRE upper curve, the center bar, and the bottom serif plus a bit of the bottom curve.

    If you get the shadows right, you can see the entire mintmark, but not with a single lighting arrangement. I've been pondering doing a composite arrangement that combines several photos to show the entire S. Maybe that will be my next mini project.

    Now, if you are saying you can't see an S AT ALL, you need to get glasses dude!
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,732 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I do not see an S on that 1956 die. >>



    Yeah, it's hard to capture with a single photo. But even in John's photo you can see some remnants of the ENTIRE upper curve, the center bar, and the bottom serif plus a bit of the bottom curve.

    If you get the shadows right, you can see the entire mintmark, but not with a single lighting arrangement. I've been pondering doing a composite arrangement that combines several photos to show the entire S. Maybe that will be my next mini project.

    Now, if you are saying you can't see an S AT ALL, you need to get glasses dude! >>



    Got all the glasses I need.

    I see stray lines, but as I said I cannot see an "S"

    Maybe you need to take off your rose-colored glasses.......
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  • I found 3 of the 1956 D and S in a uncirculated roll..Sold 2 of them for $350.00 each





    << <i>This is John's photo of the debunked 1980 D/S.

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  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I found a bag with a bunch of this one onces. It's not in the red book but a nice one i think D/D/D.

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    Hoard the keys.


  • << <i>I found a bag with a bunch of this one onces. It's not in the red book but a nice one i think D/D/D.

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    Sent a bunch to forum members which was super cool. Still have mine and it is one of 2 moderns I own. Thanks again
  • rmpsrpmsrmpsrpms Posts: 1,953 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    Got all the glasses I need.

    I see stray lines, but as I said I cannot see an "S"

    Maybe you need to take off your rose-colored glasses....... >>



    Yep, stray lines of the exact curvature, size, and shape of the S mintmark in use at the time.
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  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One Cent 1956 D/D RPM 1 is a favorite of mine.Somewhat dramatic and quite scarce.

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  • rmpsrpmsrmpsrpms Posts: 1,953 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>One Cent 1956 D/D RPM 1 is a favorite of mine.Somewhat dramatic and quite scarce. >>



    Like this one?

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  • OverdateOverdate Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My avatar is the 1956-D & S Lincoln Cent. It's a controversial coin, but when viewed in-hand I can't see how anyone could doubt it since a full and complete S is visible to the naked eye on a clean example. Admittedly, it is hard to photograph since 3D is still not a viable consumer technology and in-hand you have benefit of the perspective from both eyes...Ray >>


    I don't have a problem seeing it, I just look for the blinking "S"! image

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You cent guys shouldn't feel bad......these same people think the 1936/29-S dime is just well placed die cracks or gouges.
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,232 ✭✭✭✭✭
    does the 1882 o/s morgan silver $ count? if so i got 3 or 4 image
  • Harry779Harry779 Posts: 902 ✭✭
    An S can show up in the strangest places:

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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1956 D/S east
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    image1956 D & S northwest
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    1944 D/S
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    1951 D/S west OM-1
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    1951 D/S south OM-2
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    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1956 D & S northwest with image

    The "s" shape doesn't even look like a mintmark to me.I think this one was debunked awhile back.

    Like this one?

    That's the one.Nice image.image

    Total mintage was about 4 million.

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  • rmpsrpmsrmpsrpms Posts: 1,953 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wiles did his examination on an EDS example, but the mint tech who punched the S ground 99% of it away and the MM doesn't show well on EDS coins. This is an example of a variety that shows best on later die states, as the metal has a chance to relax a bit and show the hidden detail. There are a number of such coins which only start to show, for instance, a 3rd lightly-stamped extra MM after significant die wear.
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  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1944 D/S

    This is one that has alluded me. I don't even want to think about how many 1944 D pennies I've looked at
    trying to find one with a D over an obvious,to me at least,"S."

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  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    eludedimage

    Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

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