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jkaljkal Posts: 116
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I just picked this up on the Bay of e, condition is all I can afford (this makes 2 now at the same grade). I started collecting $10 Indian S Dates around 5 years ago and this date has been my biggest challenge. The 15-S and 11-S are a close second. I have an AU58 1915-S that has an orange gloss to it that is the prettiest coin I own. If I ever learn how to do an avatar, that will be it.

Question to everyone, what is your opinion, is this an ugly, thumbed looking and copper bleed, not a good coin at all. Or is it interesting because of the copper color edges. If it is anything like the 15-S I have, I will love it. Its in the mail, so I haven't seen it. Regardless its a great date and the price was very fair.

The ebay number is 390381668791 Anyone know how to post the pictures?...thanks
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  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hit the "image" icon (between "U"nderscore and "http" icons) and paste in your link.

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  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    I love it and if you don't want it trade it to me. Plus I like ngc gold
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  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nothing wrong with that coin other than the holdar that it is in image

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  • bestclser1bestclser1 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    Love the color!
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  • jkaljkal Posts: 116
    Coin Junkie- Thanks for posting the pics. Also thanks for the responses. What makes color on gold. A copper spot is bad, but color around is OK? Almost looks like blackhills gold. Anyone think that this would cross into a PCGS holder. I like and appreciate NGC, I'm just a PCGS guy.
  • jkaljkal Posts: 116
    Coin Junkie- Thanks for posting the pics. Also thanks for the responses. What makes color on gold. A copper spot is bad, but color around is OK? Almost looks like blackhills gold. Anyone think that this would cross into a PCGS holder. I like and appreciate NGC, I'm just a PCGS guy.
  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭✭✭
    it looks nice and original to me. good one!
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,817 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great looking coin with original surfaces.image

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  • yellowkidyellowkid Posts: 5,486 ✭
    Looks like a pretty clean cheek for a 50, very nice!!
  • bestclser1bestclser1 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    I was going to say the same thing as yellowkid,great cheek for just a 50,should cross,again,the color is way cool.image
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  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    Nice coin. I was underbidder on it when it sold through Heritage earlier this month.

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  • jomjom Posts: 3,484 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I always felt the 11-S was the most difficult (not counting the 20-S of course). I actually owned two 13-S and two 15-S at one time or another. Here were the last I owned of each:

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    jom
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is gold..... therefore it is good. Only way to tell if it will cross is to submit it. Good luck, Cheers, RickO
  • etexmikeetexmike Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭
    The Indian looks pretty good in those images. If the pics are true that is a great color on the coin.


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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,817 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jom---Looking at your 1915-S, it appears to have putty on it. Look at the area above the date and on the Indian. Suggest letting PCGS take a look at it and, if it's puttied, give them a chance to conserve it and reslab it for you.

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I always felt the 11-S was the most difficult >>



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  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    I love it! Very nice original skin!
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,817 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>I always felt the 11-S was the most difficult >>



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    Also agree. I've seen far more 1911-D eagles which are priced higher than the 1911-S in the price guides.

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  • jkaljkal Posts: 116
    What is interesting is how close in price the Indian S dates are. The 10-S and the 12-S were so common a couple of years ago, I wouldn't even look at them. Yet they are almost as much as the 15-S 13-S and 11-S yet those 3 almost never come up for sale at a normal price. The 16-S and 14-S are also rather difficult to find. Love collecting those coins, every time I see one, I have to have it. Note my collection of S-date coins are in the AU group. Wish I could go MS but no way. I will say that even in AU my group of coins are really nice. Maybe I am in love with that coin.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,817 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What is interesting is how close in price the Indian S dates are. The 10-S and the 12-S were so common a couple of years ago, I wouldn't even look at them. Yet they are almost as much as the 15-S 13-S and 11-S yet those 3 almost never come up for sale at a normal price. The 16-S and 14-S are also rather difficult to find. Love collecting those coins, every time I see one, I have to have it. Note my collection of S-date coins are in the AU group. Wish I could go MS but no way. I will say that even in AU my group of coins are really nice. Maybe I am in love with that coin. >>



    Funny how the odd numbered dates with the S mint mark are scarcer than the even numbered dates.

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  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very nice coin !!!
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  • jomjom Posts: 3,484 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>jom---Looking at your 1915-S, it appears to have putty on it. Look at the area above the date and on the Indian. Suggest letting PCGS take a look at it and, if it's puttied, give them a chance to conserve it and reslab it for you. >>



    I sold those in 2009...but looking back on it now you are probably correct.



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    << <i>I always felt the 11-S was the most difficult >>



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    Also agree. I've seen far more 1911-D eagles which are priced higher than the 1911-S in the price guides. >>



    The 11-S is way underrated especially compared to the 11-D. The 14-P is pretty tough too...for a Philly mint anyway.

    jom
  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,100 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's a real pretty $10 Indian imho jkal.

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  • jkaljkal Posts: 116
    Another hard Philly date is the 1909. Its cool seeing all of the responses. Thats what makes this site fun. My one problem with the grading of this coin is I have some coins that have razor edges on the dates, yet wear on the eagle shoulder. Isn't it possible to have an MS coin with die wear on that shoulder. How can one part of a coin look so sharp and have a flat spot on the eagle shoulder? Makes me wonder how many are mis-graded.
  • jomjom Posts: 3,484 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Another hard Philly date is the 1909. Its cool seeing all of the responses. Thats what makes this site fun. My one problem with the grading of this coin is I have some coins that have razor edges on the dates, yet wear on the eagle shoulder. Isn't it possible to have an MS coin with die wear on that shoulder. How can one part of a coin look so sharp and have a flat spot on the eagle shoulder? Makes me wonder how many are mis-graded. >>



    The eagle shoulder was never an issue with me on the $10 Indian. I could usually spot the rub and you will find that many of these reside in MS holders.

    The 1908 $2.5 Indian on the other hand an issue with the design not being fully defined on, I guess, the hub. So that made it difficult to look for sliders.

    jom
  • jkaljkal Posts: 116
    Jom- I believe the 1908 2 1/2 has die wear on the eagle shoulder. I have purchased raw ones that have gone MS. The sellers thought that they were AU. Thats a cool date to look for raw. I learned this in the PCGS guide they used to include with a membership.
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  • BanemorthBanemorth Posts: 986 ✭✭✭
    I absolutely love this coin image
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  • jkaljkal Posts: 116
    Just received the coin in the mail, its a beauty. The color is wonderful, like a golden bronze, very cool, looks great for the grade. Feeble attempt at pictures-

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  • jomjom Posts: 3,484 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Jom- I believe the 1908 2 1/2 has die wear on the eagle shoulder. I have purchased raw ones that have gone MS. The sellers thought that they were AU. Thats a cool date to look for raw. I learned this in the PCGS guide they used to include with a membership. >>



    All true except I don't think it was die wear. The details were put into the hub design to begin with. Wear implies use and I don't think I've seen an 08 quarter eagle that has detail on the eagle shoulder.

    I'm glad you liked your coin..it's a tough and expensive date...

    jom

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