Wish it were, but at this price I'll just have to learn to love my 9. I have nothing consigned right now. You are welcome to call MH and ask if you are so cynical and paranoid.
Am I the only one that cares about the back of the card?
Paul, I'll agree that the back is not ideal for a 10, but it is well within the PSA parameters for a 10. I've seen worse in a 10 holder.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Does everyone think that 20 bids is a lot or a little on this card to make it go from $900 to over $20k? Is it likely that two heavyweights found the card and ran it up that high?
When this thread first popped up I looked on EBAY and saw an OPC Rookie for $5,000. It was just sitting there. It sold last night for the $5,000. That may prove to be a steal.
Option 3: Mickey Mantle 1952 Topps PSA 6 VCP $17,672 and Michael Jordan 1986 Fleer PSA 10 VCP $7,171 Total: $24,843 >>
while i totally hear what your saying, and 99% of us would pick #3 or possibly #2 what if the winner of the PSA 10 Ozzie already has a 52 Mantle PSA 9 (to go with his PSA 10 Mantle '51 Bowman?)
to some collectors, 25 grand isnt a whole lot of money, especially when one can make more money easier then they can make more PSA 10s of some cards
Big Fan of: HOF Post War RC, Graded RCs WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
<< <i>I hear ya TBP ... and honestly, part of it is I was hoping I'd be able to pick up a '79 #116 PSA 10 before the prices got out of control. In retrospect I should have jumped on the opportunity to get the blazer that mmiracle2004 sold to igotlotsamoney2spend via eBay for $7,850.00 back in 7/6/10.
Oh hindsight ... wondering now if sellers will start demanding ludicrous prices for '79 Topps Ozzie 9s >>
I bet if the winning bidder re-listed that same Ozzie tomorrow on the same auction site that it wouldn't top $18k... I think the hype was part of what drove that price up.
<< <i>There should be a rule that Macros can't post anymore pics unless they are for sale or a group break! lol
Great stuff! >>
LOL
I think many of us really appreciate seeing some of the amazing pics because if it weren;t for them we'd never have a chance to see these things otherwise. Keep up the great work Macrosb.
<< <i><< There should be a rule that Macros can't post anymore pics unless they are for sale or a group break! lol
Great stuff! >>
LOL
I think many of us really appreciate seeing some of the amazing pics because if it weren;t for them we'd never have a chance to see these things otherwise. Keep up the great work Macrosb. >>
It isn't possible that there are actually collectors out there with all this unopened material. MacrosB, thanks for "sharing", I look forward to the day that case is for sale in a group rip!
But I need to remember not to offer my personal unopened stuff for a group rip in this area because someone might think its not right for me to sell it for more than I paid for it.
Jim
<< <i>
<< <i><< There should be a rule that Macros can't post anymore pics unless they are for sale or a group break! lol
Great stuff! >>
LOL
I think many of us really appreciate seeing some of the amazing pics because if it weren;t for them we'd never have a chance to see these things otherwise. Keep up the great work Macrosb. >>
It isn't possible that there are actually collectors out there with all this unopened material. MacrosB, thanks for "sharing", I look forward to the day that case is for sale in a group rip! >>
Looking for 66 and 69 OPC baseball 60's OPC packs 72 BB, 60's FB, 71FB, 73FB, 74FB, 75FB, 76FB, 78FB Rack Packs 72 and earlier BB cello
<< <i>There should be a rule that Macros can't post anymore pics unless they are for sale or a group break! lol
Great stuff! >>
Well, I could stop posting the unopened stuff (and there are alot of people here that have much more amazing stuff than I do and I love seeing it) but I do have a couple of pages of 78 Ryans if you want to see if any are worth grading. I assume the problem there hasn't been one before is centering issues as most of mine are off center.
Jim
Looking for 66 and 69 OPC baseball 60's OPC packs 72 BB, 60's FB, 71FB, 73FB, 74FB, 75FB, 76FB, 78FB Rack Packs 72 and earlier BB cello
<< then I think the math would go something like this:
In a 3 box case you have 3*24*39 = 2808 cards 2808/750 = 3.744.
There are 3*24*3 = 216 opportunities to have a card on the front panel.
So I think the chance of getting an Ozzie on front of a rack pack is:
3.744/2808*216/2808 = 808.704/7884864 = 0.00010256 or 0.01 % chance>>
Wouldn't it be simply : 216 top cards x 1 / 750 = 28.8% ? ( I am assuming the 750 number comes from the DPs and is correct) odds of a DP would be twice that....
<< <i>But I need to remember not to offer my personal unopened stuff for a group rip in this area because someone might think its not right for me to sell it for more than I paid for it.
Jim >>
You did buy some of those directly from Topps when they originally came out, didn't you Jim????
<< <i><< then I think the math would go something like this:
In a 3 box case you have 3*24*39 = 2808 cards 2808/750 = 3.744.
There are 3*24*3 = 216 opportunities to have a card on the front panel.
So I think the chance of getting an Ozzie on front of a rack pack is:
3.744/2808*216/2808 = 808.704/7884864 = 0.00010256 or 0.01 % chance>>
Wouldn't it be simply : 216 top cards x 1 / 750 = 28.8% ? ( I am assuming the 750 number comes from the DPs and is correct) odds of a DP would be twice that.... >>
Yeah, I totally second that math - it should be more like 28.8% - the other math just made my head hurt!
<< <i>There should be a rule that Macros can't post anymore pics unless they are for sale or a group break! lol
Great stuff! >>
Well, I could stop posting the unopened stuff (and there are alot of people here that have much more amazing stuff than I do and I love seeing it) but I do have a couple of pages of 78 Ryans if you want to see if any are worth grading. I assume the problem there hasn't been one before is centering issues as most of mine are off center.
Not to turn it into a math debate, but since I'm bored at work and a Finance geek, let's go for it....
Your math was all fine except your final denominator - you used 7884864 (2808 x 2808) when it should've been just 2808.
Granted, I know nothing about the intricacies of the '79 set as you may, so there might be other extenuating reasons (double prints, etc.), but strictly from a math basis, the odds would be 28.8% from a 3-box case for any single-printed card.
Right? I remember breaking cases back in the day and each run was different, sequences may have been the same but the amount of specific sequences would change.
<< <i><< then I think the math would go something like this:
In a 3 box case you have 3*24*39 = 2808 cards 2808/750 = 3.744.
There are 3*24*3 = 216 opportunities to have a card on the front panel.
So I think the chance of getting an Ozzie on front of a rack pack is:
3.744/2808*216/2808 = 808.704/7884864 = 0.00010256 or 0.01 % chance>>
Wouldn't it be simply : 216 top cards x 1 / 750 = 28.8% ? ( I am assuming the 750 number comes from the DPs and is correct) odds of a DP would be twice that.... >>
I think it goes something more like this:
1) If the 750 comes from 726 cards in the set + 1 for each DP then on average there should be 3 or 4 Smith RCs in the case (2808/750)
2) With 72 total racks in the case only 216 cards can appear in a "top visible" rack positions
Therefore wouldn't you count the number of combinations of 216 including an Ozzie RC and then divide by the total number of combinations of 216 cards?
If there are 3 Ozzies in the case then I think you would express it mathematically as:
The number of 216 card combinations with Ozzie = ( 3! / 2! x 1!) x ( 2805!/ 2590! x 215!)
The number of 216 card combinations total = ( 2808! / 2592! x 216!)
And that would simplify to about 19.67% meaning that roughly 1 in every 5 cases has 1 rack in which the Ozzie RC appears on top of one of the racks
Said differently, that would be 1 in every 360 racks has a Ozzie RC
ADDITION: If it is 4 Ozzies in the case then the percentage goes up to about 24.2% chance of having an Ozzie on top in one of the racks. That improves your odds to roughly 1 in every 290 racks has an Ozzie RC on top.
Comments
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>Less than half an hour left.
$10,755.00 >>
I won't be bumping it in extended bidding
Is this your card Dave? No really, is it? >>
Wish it were, but at this price I'll just have to learn to love my 9. I have nothing consigned right now.
You are welcome to call MH and ask if you are so cynical and paranoid.
Btw......BOO!!!!!!
Dave
Almost 16K+!!!!
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
<< With BP it's at $18912.67 >>
Am I the only one that cares about the back of the card?
Paul, I'll agree that the back is not ideal for a 10, but it is well within the PSA parameters for a 10. I've seen worse in a 10 holder.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
A true GEM!!!
When there is a less then 0.10% chance to own this card it is worth huge money!!!
<< <i>The Sandy Koufax is going for some serious coin for an 8 grade. >>
Thought the same thing...
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
"Hey honey, guess what I just bought for $21,000."
<< <i>Trying to imagine the conversation:
"Hey honey, guess what I just bought for $21,000." >>
Exactly!
Option 1: Ozzie Smith RC $24,814
Option 2: Apple Stock 55 Shares $24,475
Option 3: Mickey Mantle 1952 Topps PSA 6 VCP $17,672 and
Michael Jordan 1986 Fleer PSA 10 VCP $7,171 Total: $24,843
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
<< <i>Here are some choices: What would you pick?
Option 1: Ozzie Smith RC $24,814
Option 2: Apple Stock 55 Shares $24,475
Option 3: Mickey Mantle 1952 Topps PSA 6 VCP $17,672 and
Michael Jordan 1986 Fleer PSA 10 VCP $7,171 Total: $24,843 >>
while i totally hear what your saying, and 99% of us would pick #3 or possibly #2 what if the winner of the PSA 10 Ozzie already has a 52 Mantle PSA 9 (to go with his PSA 10 Mantle '51 Bowman?)
to some collectors, 25 grand isnt a whole lot of money, especially when one can make more money easier then they can make more PSA 10s of some cards
WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
<< <i>I hear ya TBP ... and honestly, part of it is I was hoping I'd be able to pick up a '79 #116 PSA 10 before the prices got out of control. In retrospect I should have jumped on the opportunity to get the blazer that mmiracle2004 sold to igotlotsamoney2spend via eBay for $7,850.00 back in 7/6/10.
Oh hindsight ... wondering now if sellers will start demanding ludicrous prices for '79 Topps Ozzie 9s
Paul,
One can always hope....
Dave
<< <i>How much do you think the first PSA 10 1978 Topps #400 Nolan Ryan will go for? If one ever pops... >>
How much do you think the first PSA 10 1968 Topps #177 Nolan Ryan will go for? If one ever pops...
Paul.
Later, Paul.
<< <i>Don't you guys get any ideas.
What about this idea? Whats the odds of getting an Ozzie on top?
Jim
60's OPC packs
72 BB, 60's FB, 71FB, 73FB, 74FB, 75FB, 76FB, 78FB Rack Packs
72 and earlier BB cello
I agree, however the main reason might be because he
won't be bidding.
Take away him and that card might not even break 5K
Unless of course another whale jumps in.
<< <i>Good decision to set that case on a baby blanket....it needs to be handled and cared for as much as a newborn. >>
Annd like with all babies....no shaking and no dropping on the head!!!
Dave
Great stuff!
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
<< <i>There should be a rule that Macros can't post anymore pics unless they are for sale or a group break! lol
Great stuff! >>
LOL
I think many of us really appreciate seeing some of the amazing pics because if it weren;t for them we'd never have
a chance to see these things otherwise. Keep up the great work Macrosb.
Dave
<< <i><< There should be a rule that Macros can't post anymore pics unless they are for sale or a group break! lol
Great stuff! >>
LOL
I think many of us really appreciate seeing some of the amazing pics because if it weren;t for them we'd never have
a chance to see these things otherwise. Keep up the great work Macrosb. >>
It isn't possible that there are actually collectors out there with all this unopened material.
MacrosB, thanks for "sharing", I look forward to the day that case is for sale in a group rip!
Jim
<< <i>
<< <i><< There should be a rule that Macros can't post anymore pics unless they are for sale or a group break! lol
Great stuff! >>
LOL
I think many of us really appreciate seeing some of the amazing pics because if it weren;t for them we'd never have
a chance to see these things otherwise. Keep up the great work Macrosb. >>
It isn't possible that there are actually collectors out there with all this unopened material.
MacrosB, thanks for "sharing", I look forward to the day that case is for sale in a group rip! >>
60's OPC packs
72 BB, 60's FB, 71FB, 73FB, 74FB, 75FB, 76FB, 78FB Rack Packs
72 and earlier BB cello
<< <i>There should be a rule that Macros can't post anymore pics unless they are for sale or a group break! lol
Great stuff! >>
Well, I could stop posting the unopened stuff (and there are alot of people here that have much more amazing stuff than I do and I love seeing it) but I do have a couple of pages of 78 Ryans if you want to see if any are worth grading. I assume the problem there hasn't been one before is centering issues as most of mine are off center.
Jim
60's OPC packs
72 BB, 60's FB, 71FB, 73FB, 74FB, 75FB, 76FB, 78FB Rack Packs
72 and earlier BB cello
In a 3 box case you have 3*24*39 = 2808 cards
2808/750 = 3.744.
There are 3*24*3 = 216 opportunities to have a card on the front panel.
So I think the chance of getting an Ozzie on front of a rack pack is:
3.744/2808*216/2808 = 808.704/7884864 = 0.00010256 or 0.01 % chance>>
Wouldn't it be simply : 216 top cards x 1 / 750 = 28.8% ? ( I am assuming the 750 number comes from the DPs and is correct) odds of a DP would be twice that....
Bosox1976
<< <i>But I need to remember not to offer my personal unopened stuff for a group rip in this area because someone might think its not right for me to sell it for more than I paid for it.
Jim >>
You did buy some of those directly from Topps when they originally came out, didn't you Jim????
Dave
<< <i><< then I think the math would go something like this:
In a 3 box case you have 3*24*39 = 2808 cards
2808/750 = 3.744.
There are 3*24*3 = 216 opportunities to have a card on the front panel.
So I think the chance of getting an Ozzie on front of a rack pack is:
3.744/2808*216/2808 = 808.704/7884864 = 0.00010256 or 0.01 % chance>>
Wouldn't it be simply : 216 top cards x 1 / 750 = 28.8% ? ( I am assuming the 750 number comes from the DPs and is correct) odds of a DP would be twice that.... >>
Yeah, I totally second that math - it should be more like 28.8% - the other math just made my head hurt!
<< <i>
<< <i>There should be a rule that Macros can't post anymore pics unless they are for sale or a group break! lol
Great stuff! >>
Well, I could stop posting the unopened stuff (and there are alot of people here that have much more amazing stuff than I do and I love seeing it) but I do have a couple of pages of 78 Ryans if you want to see if any are worth grading. I assume the problem there hasn't been one before is centering issues as most of mine are off center.
Jim >>
Let's see the 1978 Ryans!
Your math was all fine except your final denominator - you used 7884864 (2808 x 2808) when it should've been just 2808.
Granted, I know nothing about the intricacies of the '79 set as you may, so there might be other extenuating reasons (double prints, etc.), but strictly from a math basis, the odds would be 28.8% from a 3-box case for any single-printed card.
Right? I remember breaking cases back in the day
and each run was different, sequences may have been the same
but the amount of specific sequences would change.
<< <i><< then I think the math would go something like this:
In a 3 box case you have 3*24*39 = 2808 cards
2808/750 = 3.744.
There are 3*24*3 = 216 opportunities to have a card on the front panel.
So I think the chance of getting an Ozzie on front of a rack pack is:
3.744/2808*216/2808 = 808.704/7884864 = 0.00010256 or 0.01 % chance>>
Wouldn't it be simply : 216 top cards x 1 / 750 = 28.8% ? ( I am assuming the 750 number comes from the DPs and is correct) odds of a DP would be twice that.... >>
I think it goes something more like this:
1) If the 750 comes from 726 cards in the set + 1 for each DP then on average there should be 3 or 4 Smith RCs in the case (2808/750)
2) With 72 total racks in the case only 216 cards can appear in a "top visible" rack positions
Therefore wouldn't you count the number of combinations of 216 including an Ozzie RC and then divide by the total number of combinations of 216 cards?
If there are 3 Ozzies in the case then I think you would express it mathematically as:
The number of 216 card combinations with Ozzie = ( 3! / 2! x 1!) x ( 2805!/ 2590! x 215!)
The number of 216 card combinations total = ( 2808! / 2592! x 216!)
And that would simplify to about 19.67% meaning that roughly 1 in every 5 cases has 1 rack in which the Ozzie RC appears on top of one of the racks
Said differently, that would be 1 in every 360 racks has a Ozzie RC
ADDITION: If it is 4 Ozzies in the case then the percentage goes up to about 24.2% chance of having an Ozzie on top in one of the racks. That improves
your odds to roughly 1 in every 290 racks has an Ozzie RC on top.
Dave