starting 8/1/12, Gold prices increase $50, Platinum remains the same from last week
7 days ending 8/1/12
Gold avg: $1615 (up $32 from last week); ; Criteria #2 (change); AGE (proof) $1885 Platinum avg: $1410 (up $9 from last week); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1692
starting 8/8/12, Gold and Platinum remains the same from last week
7 days ending 8/8/12
Gold avg: $1607 (down $8 from last week); ; Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1885 Platinum avg: $1398 (down $12 from last week); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1692
starting 8/15/12, Gold and Platinum remains the same from last week
7 days ending 8/15/12
Gold avg: $1611 (up $4 from last week); ; Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1885 Platinum avg: $1402 (up $4 from last week); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1692
starting 9/5/12, Gold and Platinum remains the same from last week
7 days ending 9/5/12
Gold avg: $1677.5 (up $12 from last week); ; Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1935 Platinum avg: $1540 (up $11 from last week); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1792
starting 9/12/12, Gold up $50, and Platinum up $100 from last week
7 days ending 9/12/12
Gold avg: $1727 (up $49 from last week); ; Criteria #2 (change); AGE (proof) $1985 Platinum avg: $1603 (up $63 from last week); Criteria #2 (change); APE (proof) $1892
starting 9/19/12, Gold up $50, and Platinum remains the same from last week
7 days ending 9/19/12
Gold avg: $1763 (up $36 from last week); ; Criteria #2 (change); AGE (proof) $2035 Platinum avg: $1671 (up $68 from last week); Criteria #3 (no change); APE (proof) $1992
my mistake, Platinum did not increase, even though the average ($1670) is in the next range ($1650 - $1749), today's close ($1633) was still in the lower range, so it's Criteria 3 (no change)
starting 10/17/12, Gold remains the same, Platinum remains the same
7 days ending 10/17/12:
Gold avg: $1753 (down $23.45); Criteria #4 (no change); AGE (proof) $2035 Criteria 4 : even though Wednesday's close is in the lower range, the weekly avg IS within the current range, so the price doesn't change
Platinum avg: $1659 (down $32.60); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1992
starting 10/24/12, Gold down $50, and Platinum down $100 from last week
7 days ending 10/24/12
Gold avg: $1725 (down $29 from last week); ; Criteria #2 (change); AGE (proof) $1985 Platinum avg: $1608 (down $51 from last week); Criteria #2 (change); APE (proof) $1892
starting 11/7/12, Gold remains the same, Platinum remains the same
7 days ending 11/7/12:
Gold avg: $1698.20 (down $15.30); Criteria #4 (no change); AGE (proof) $1985 - even though the average is in the lower range (for a $1935 price), the Wed close price today was in the same price range as last week ($1715), so there is no change.
Platinum avg: $1554 (down $3.40); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1895
starting 1/2/13, Gold and Platinum prices remain the same
7 days ending 1/2/13 (only 3 sessions this past week due to the holidays)
Gold avg: $1668.90 (up $15.90); Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1935
Platinum avg: $1543 (down $13); Criteria #3 *** (no change); APE (proof) $1892
*** note that even though the Platinum average was in the next lowest range, which SHOULD have resulted in a decrease of Platinum price, the closing price today (1/2/13) was $1566, which is STILL within the range it was last week, therefore, there is no change
my math says that's a $1654.60 average, and a Wed close of $1678 together says it's a Criteria 2, which says it should increase, which puts it in the $1992 Mint Price range.
HOWEVER, if I use the London AM close numbers, $1613 $1626 $1640 $1697 $1660
the average is $1647.20, which would NOT cause a price increase.
All along i've assumed that they use the PM close numbers for their weekly average, since they use the PM number for the Wed close price, but maybe they use the AM numbers for the weekly average. Their pricing guide does not mention which they use. I've called the Mint, and Customer Service doesn't know.
I would have to go back and do a lot of data analysis to see if there was ever another situation like this where the AM average is in a different range than the PM average.
sorry, I was on vacation, so I missed a week . . . -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- starting 2/20/13, Change in Gold price, Platinum price remain the same
Platinum avg: $1695.80 (down $18.2); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- starting 2/27/13, Gold price remain the same, Platinum price decreases
7 days ending 2/27/13
Gold avg: $1589.35 (down $30.65); Criteria #3 (no change); AGE (proof) $1885 ********** note that although the average is in the next lowest range, the Wed PM close was $1604, which is in the current range, so there is no change in the price (not that it matters though, the Gold proofs are not currently for sale)
Looks like prices have increased 5.7%, over and above what the precious metal increase is doing.
The story about maintaining Mint prices consistant with the market for precious metals doesn't seem to hold water, considering that prices have been declining since late September.
Looks like the Mint is getting more aggressive toward it's own customers.
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally
IMHO the Mint needs to make up for fewer proof plat/gold/silver sales by increasing premiums and gouging collectors. Higher premiums in the face of declining PM values equals dissatisified customers. At lease in my case.
I posted a thread about the price increase last week and for some reason only got about 5 responces. Now all of sudden its breaking news... I mean old news! PAY UP SUCKERS!!!
Comments
anymore repricing data since 7/25?
thanks for the posts.....
I'll post what "should" have been . . .
here ya go . . .
7 days ending 8/1/12
Gold avg: $1615 (up $32 from last week); ; Criteria #2 (change); AGE (proof) $1885
Platinum avg: $1410 (up $9 from last week); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1692
7 days ending 8/8/12
Gold avg: $1607 (down $8 from last week); ; Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1885
Platinum avg: $1398 (down $12 from last week); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1692
7 days ending 8/15/12
Gold avg: $1611 (up $4 from last week); ; Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1885
Platinum avg: $1402 (up $4 from last week); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1692
starting 8/22/12, Gold remains the same, Platinum price goes up $100
7 days ending 8/22/12:
Gold avg: $1623 (up $12); Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1885
Platinum avg: $1468 (up $66); Criteria #2 (change); APE (proof) $1792
7 days ending 8/29/12:
Gold avg: $1665 (up $42); Criteria #2 (change); AGE (proof) $1935
Platinum avg: $1529 (up $61); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1792
7 days ending 9/5/12
Gold avg: $1677.5 (up $12 from last week); ; Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1935
Platinum avg: $1540 (up $11 from last week); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1792
7 days ending 9/12/12
Gold avg: $1727 (up $49 from last week); ; Criteria #2 (change); AGE (proof) $1985
Platinum avg: $1603 (up $63 from last week); Criteria #2 (change); APE (proof) $1892
7 days ending 9/19/12
Gold avg: $1763 (up $36 from last week); ; Criteria #2 (change); AGE (proof) $2035
Platinum avg: $1671 (up $68 from last week); Criteria #3 (no change); APE (proof) $1992
7 days ending 9/26/12:
Gold avg: $1764 (up $1); Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $2035
Platinum avg: $1625 (down $46); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1892
7 days ending 10/3/12:
Gold avg: $1775 (up $11); Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $2035
Platinum avg: $1672 (up $47); Criteria #2 (change); APE (proof) $1992
7 days ending 10/10/12:
Gold avg: $1777 (up $1.55); Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $2035
Platinum avg: $1692 (up $19.60); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1992
7 days ending 10/17/12:
Gold avg: $1753 (down $23.45); Criteria #4 (no change); AGE (proof) $2035
Criteria 4 : even though Wednesday's close is in the lower range, the weekly avg IS within the current range, so the price doesn't change
Platinum avg: $1659 (down $32.60); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1992
7 days ending 10/24/12
Gold avg: $1725 (down $29 from last week); ; Criteria #2 (change); AGE (proof) $1985
Platinum avg: $1608 (down $51 from last week); Criteria #2 (change); APE (proof) $1892
7 days ending 10/31/12:
Gold avg: $1713.50 (down $11.35); Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1985
Platinum avg: $1557 (down $50.80); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1895
7 days ending 11/7/12:
Gold avg: $1698.20 (down $15.30); Criteria #4 (no change); AGE (proof) $1985
- even though the average is in the lower range (for a $1935 price), the Wed close price today was in the same price range as last week ($1715), so there is no change.
Platinum avg: $1554 (down $3.40); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1895
7 days ending 11/14/12:
Gold avg: $1728.50 (up $30.30); Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1985
Platinum avg: $1567.6 (up $13.60); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1895
starting 11/21/12, Gold remains the same, Platinum remains the same
7 days ending 11/21/12:
Gold avg: $1722.05 (down $6.45); Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1985
Platinum avg: $1570.6 (up $3.00); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1895
7 days ending 11/28/12:
Gold avg: $1734.05 (up $12); Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1985
Platinum avg: $1597.40 (up $26.80); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1892
7 days ending 12/5/12:
Gold avg: $1712.60 (down $21.50); Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1985
Platinum avg: $1601.00 (up $3.60); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1892
starting 12/12/12, Gold remains the same, Platinum remains the same
7 days ending 12/12/12:
Gold avg: $1706.90 (down $5.65); Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1985
Platinum avg: $1614.80 (up $13.80); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1892
7 days ending 12/19/12:
Gold avg: $1688.75 (down $18.15); Criteria #2 (change); AGE (proof) $1935
Platinum avg: $1606.80 (down $8); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1892
Merry Christmas everybody !
<< <i>starting 12/19/12, Gold prices decrease, Platinum remains the same
7 days ending 12/19/12:
Gold avg: $1688.75 (down $18.15); Criteria #2 (change); AGE (proof) $1935
Platinum avg: $1606.80 (down $8); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1892
Merry Christmas everybody ! >>
Nook merry Christmas and thanks for the work you put into this thread.
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starting 12/26/12, Gold and Platinum prices remain the same
7 days ending 12/26/12 (only 2 sessions this week due to the holidays)
Gold avg: $1653 (down $35.75); Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1935
Platinum avg: $1554 (down $50.80); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1892
7 days ending 1/2/13 (only 3 sessions this past week due to the holidays)
Gold avg: $1668.90 (up $15.90); Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1935
Platinum avg: $1543 (down $13); Criteria #3 *** (no change); APE (proof) $1892
*** note that even though the Platinum average was in the next lowest range, which SHOULD have resulted in a decrease of Platinum price, the closing price today (1/2/13) was $1566, which is STILL within the range it was last week, therefore, there is no change
7 days ending 1/9/13
Gold avg: $1657.30 (down $11.60); Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1935
Platinum avg: $1568 (up $25.00); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1892
7 days ending 1/16/13
Gold avg: $1672.20 (up $14.65); Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1935
Platinum avg: $1647.20 (up $82.40); Criteria #4 (no change); APE (proof) $1892
(edited to reflect that London precious metal AM close prices are now used for the average)
Thu 1/10 - $1621
Fri 1/11 - $1626
Mon 1/14 - $1658
Tues 1/15 - $1690
Wed 1/16 - $1678
my math says that's a $1654.60 average, and a Wed close of $1678 together says it's a Criteria 2, which says it should increase, which puts it in the $1992 Mint Price range.
Mint Pricing Guide
HOWEVER, if I use the London AM close numbers,
$1613
$1626
$1640
$1697
$1660
the average is $1647.20, which would NOT cause a price increase.
All along i've assumed that they use the PM close numbers for their weekly average, since they use the PM number for the Wed close price, but maybe they use the AM numbers for the weekly average. Their pricing guide does not mention which they use. I've called the Mint, and Customer Service doesn't know.
I would have to go back and do a lot of data analysis to see if there was ever another situation like this where the AM average is in a different range than the PM average.
Mark
7 days ending 1/23/13
Gold avg: $1689.20 (up $17); Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1935
Platinum avg: $1686.20 (up $39); Criteria #2 (change); APE (proof) $1992
7 days ending 1/30/13
Gold avg: $1666.20 (down $23); Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1935
Platinum avg: $1684.40 (down $2); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1992
7 days ending 2/6/13
Gold avg: $1670.35 (up $4.20); Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1935
Platinum avg: $1695.40 (up $11); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1992
7 days ending 2/13/13
Gold avg: $1659.75 (down $10.60); Criteria #1 (no change); AGE (proof) $1935
Platinum avg: $1714.00 (up $18.6); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1992
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starting 2/20/13, Change in Gold price, Platinum price remain the same
7 days ending 2/20/13
Gold avg: $1620 (down $39.80); Criteria #2 (change); AGE (proof) $1885
Platinum avg: $1695.80 (down $18.2); Criteria #1 (no change); APE (proof) $1992
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starting 2/27/13, Gold price remain the same, Platinum price decreases
7 days ending 2/27/13
Gold avg: $1589.35 (down $30.65); Criteria #3 (no change); AGE (proof) $1885
********** note that although the average is in the next lowest range, the Wed PM close was $1604, which is in the current range, so there is no change in the price (not that it matters though, the Gold proofs are not currently for sale)
Platinum avg: $1611.40 (down $84.40); Criteria #2 (change); APE (proof) $1892
I knew it would happen.
Looks like prices have increased 5.7%, over and above what the precious metal increase is doing.
The story about maintaining Mint prices consistant with the market for precious metals doesn't seem to hold water, considering that prices have been declining since late September.
Looks like the Mint is getting more aggressive toward it's own customers.
I knew it would happen.
New 2013 Pricing Grid
starting 2/27/13, Change in Gold & Platinum price
7 days ending 2/27/13
Gold avg: $1589.35 (down $30.65); AGE (proof) $1960
Platinum avg: $1611.40 (down $18.2); APE (proof) $2000
7 days ending 3/6/13
Gold avg: $1579.45 (down $9.90); Criteria #2 (change); AGE (proof) $1910
Platinum avg: $1582.40 (down $29); Criteria #2 (change); APE (proof) $1950