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Why is just about every Pilgrim dull and lifeless?

braddickbraddick Posts: 25,249 ✭✭✭✭✭
I'd so love to locate a lustrous, blazing gem Pilgrim with pop patina but instead am stuck checking inventories of brownish gold/gray maxed out Pilgrim commemoratives.

Are all the good ones taken and off the market for eternity?
Really. What's a hard core collector seeking out one of these prizes to do?

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why is just about every Pilgrim dull and lifeless?

    Well, it's been a LONG time since they landed. image
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    DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Well, it's been a LONG time since they landed. >>





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    << <i>Why is just about every Pilgrim dull and lifeless?

    Well, it's been a LONG time since they landed. image >>



    Yeah, I think they are all dead by now.......



    ......I collect old stuff......
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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 34,787 ✭✭✭✭✭
    they didnt have showers here when they got off the boat so thats why they got the patina and other stuff to boot image
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    Lehigh96Lehigh96 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭
    My advice is to keep looking, they are out there. I used to own an incredible Pilgrim, excuse the photos they are from Heritage circa 2002.

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    And if that doesn't convince you, ask MJ to show you his. It is spectacular!
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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My ....THEORY..... is that it is not only a lower priced issue but also depicts a historic thing familiar to MANY collectors, even beginners.
    And that means they would get around a lot and be dipped and traded and and and and
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    MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,618 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Why is just about every Pilgrim dull and lifeless?

    Well, it's been a LONG time since they landed. image >>


    Beat me to it! image
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 36,018 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is the one from my type set, which is an MS-64. It's not exactly dull and lifeless, but it's no proof-like either, and I don't think I've ever seen a P-L of this issue, not that I’m most active commemorative coin collector.

    The Pilgrim half dollars were sold before the commemorative coin craze of the 1930s got going. As a result a goodly number of these coins ended up in the hands of non-collectors who had no idea how to preserve them. Many also probably ended up in high sulfur paper, which would have toned them and encouraged dipping. They were also issued at a time when bright, lustrous coins were considered to be "garish." For these reasons there are few Pilgrim half dollars that are going to force their owners to wear sunglasses when they view them.

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    SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,610 ✭✭✭✭✭
    While they do tend to tone up darkly, there are definitely some attractive ones out there with underlying luster etc. Here are my two...

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    Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,836 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think is has to do with Religious dogma and restrictions...image

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    illini420illini420 Posts: 11,707 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I bought this one from a local coin shop earlier this year. Just thought it looked cool. It's at PCGS right now...



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    It is a little duller than some of the commems that I have, but I'd hardly call this one lifeless image

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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,888 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lustrous, blazing, and flashy colors is ill-befitting a Pilgrim, as far as I'm concerned. It would be like having a laser show at a grand opening of an Amish furniture shop.

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    erickso1erickso1 Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭
    I agree w/ John.

    In my short time in the Commem series I've always enjoyed the pilgrims that have the somber toning like the second one of Skymans. A somber Pilgrim and a stormy sky and seas.


    I wouldn't turn down a blazing w/ cool colors though by any means.
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    kimber45ACPkimber45ACP Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭


    << <i> It would be like having a laser show at a grand opening of an Amish furniture shop. >>



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    shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Darn...all my commems are dull and lifeless...I thought they were supposed to look like that. image
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    ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,055 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Certainly a satiny sheen on mine I picked up a few months back.

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    mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    1/3 of my Pilgrims are definitely not at all dull and lifeless. Here are scans of one of the many Pilgrims in my collection. Scans do not show luster well.

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    EagleguyEagleguy Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've found that it is easier to find the 1920 with better toning.

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    Nice ones are hard to find. I might add I have a nice one on the BST right now
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    Braddick;
    You should have bought mine. It was lot 6192 in the recent StacksBowers auction in Baltimore. 1920, PCGSMS65, great luster and color!
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    braddickbraddick Posts: 25,249 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Braddick;
    You should have bought mine. It was lot 6192 in the recent StacksBowers auction in Baltimore. 1920, PCGSMS65, great luster and color! >>



    Missed it! (Ain't that just it when you're looking?)
    A couple (or three or four!) right here on this thread are outstanding.

    None for sale!

    The quest continues. I don't know what it is, something about the design fascinates me.
    (And thanks for the laugh at the choice of my language in the title...)
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    GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 18,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I believe MJ has one of the finest ever....I hope he posts!!

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    Here's my lifeless Pilgrim..... image
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    Most of them are dull and dipped
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    JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This one has lots of lustre. I've actually gotten sea sick looking at the waves. They seem to come alive. MJ

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    mommam17mommam17 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭
    My cousin's Pilgrim and Albany were the first commems I had ever seen, in 1968. It's been a long love affair since then!!!
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Darn...all the good wisecracks were taken before I saw this thread.... Oh well...... some nice ones here (the ones with little or no tarnish). Cheers, RickO
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,295 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This one has lots of lustre. I've actually gotten sea sick looking at the waves. They seem to come alive. MJ

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    That brings good things to light.

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