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1933 gold double eagles

derrybderryb Posts: 37,051 ✭✭✭✭✭
Were they "just bullion" when initially minted?

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,404 ✭✭✭✭✭
    At that time, bullion wasn't a factor. It was just twenty bucks.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,404 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ... and the buck had to stop somewhere image
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,133 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pretty much everything, except Proof and commemorative coins, were "just bullion" when they were first minted. Proof and commemorative coins are known to be something special at the time of their minting because they are virtually always sold at prices higher than their face value. Some dates were known to be rare soon after they were minted, but for most things the rarity thing did not kick off in collectors' minds for a number of years.

    In the case of the 1933 double eagles, the year had barely started when their status as something unusual was known. The economy was so bad that most collectors could only view them as a mental exercise, not something to collect, at least not at that immediate moment. Izzy Switt did sell some 1933 double eagles to dealers and probably to a collector or two, but I don’t think that we know the prices that he charged them. Chances are it was a few hundred dollars at most. The coins were obviously hard to acquire and Izzy may have been the only source, but no body knew what they would be come in March 1933.
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  • << <i>Were they "just bullion" when initially minted? >>



    You mean: were they "just bullion" before they had a chance to receive the magical monetization blessing from the Federal Reserve?

    They were minted with the intention of becoming money. So I guess they were whatever the mint considered coinage after the minting process and before monetization - little stamped discs.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They were coins when minted, and remain such... this term 'monetization' is a term coined (pardon the pun) long after the original issue. The fact that they were not (according to the mint) 'officially' issued, is secondary. The intent was to issue them until other developments changed the situation. Cheers, RickO
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,485 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>They were coins when minted, and remain such... this term 'monetization' is a term coined (pardon the pun) long after the original issue. The fact that they were not (according to the mint) 'officially' issued, is secondary. The intent was to issue them until other developments changed the situation. Cheers, RickO >>



    What he said. The term "monetization" was invented in an attempt to justify the seizure of the Fenton coin in the mid-1990's. No coin issued or manufactured by the U. S. Mint in the 1930's was ever "monetized" upon issuance, because the term didn't exist during the 1930's. The coins were issued, officially or unofficially, and then, sixty years later, the government changed the rules. image

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,051 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So, in about 80 years a 2011 American Gold Eagle will be a coin and not "just bullion?"

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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,661 ✭✭✭✭✭
    can we skip ahead? where are you going with this?

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,051 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>can we skip ahead? where are you going with this? >>


    thanks for asking, I'm there

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,404 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>can we skip ahead? where are you going with this? >>


    To the precious metals forum... then on to the BST. image
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,661 ✭✭✭✭✭
    are we to conclude that 2011 is like 1933?

    are they going to suddenly stop minting AGEs, recall and melt almost all of them, and call everyone's gold back in again?

    and then maybe reprice gold at $5,000 or $10,000 per ounce and later sell it back to us? image

    and then make a deal to monetize one of the few 2011 AGEs, maybe yours (or, rather, your grandkids'?) image

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,051 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>are we to conclude that 2011 is like 1933?

    are they going to suddenly stop minting AGEs, recall and melt almost all of them, and call everyone's gold back in again?

    and then maybe reprice gold at $5,000 or $10,000 per ounce and later sell it back to us? image

    and then make a deal to monetize one of the few 2011 AGEs, maybe yours (or, rather, your grandkids'?) image >>


    The post is a question of difference between gold coins and "just bullion." Has nothing to do with imaginary scenarios.

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  • How about a more valid comparison... a common, junky Saint.

    A ex-jewelry 1927 Saint with significant rim problems is "just bullion."

    Your 2011 Silver Eagle is never going to be worth $7.6 million.
  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    1933 was a year when not many coins were needed.

    One rich guy could have bought out the mint.
    1,766,000 1933-s half dollars for $883,000
    14,360.000 1933-p cents for $143,600
    6,200.000 1933-d cents for $62,000

    312,500 $10 eagles $3,125,000

    $1,088,600 in coins and $3.125,000 in $10 eagles

    Am I missing anything?

    A rich person could have bought out the years minting for just over 4.2 million not counting the double eagles that were not distributed.
    Ed
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A gold coin issued by the mint is a 'coin'. Anyone's opinion of the metal content is secondary...it is still a coin. Cheers, RickO

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